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Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:54am
 
Al Gore slams Adani, tells Queensland 'good luck' in selling coal to India

June 5, 2019
Sydney Morning Herald


Former US vice president Al Gore has taken a swipe at Adani during a climate change conference in Brisbane, casting doubt on the proposed Carmichael mine's viability as India moves away from coal-fired power.   Smiley

The Indian company hopes to export thermal coal to India once the mine goes through its final approval processes.


Mr Gore, who in his post-political life has become one of the world's most influential climate change activists, received a loud cheer when he told delegates at the Climate Reality Project conference that India was dramatically shifting away from coal as an energy source.

"This is what is happening in India," Mr Gore said as he punched through a nearly two-hour slide and video show supporting his view that world economies needed to rapidly shift away from fossil fuels to keep keep atmospheric warming as low as possible.


"This is what they have under construction right now in India for solar; 225 gigawatts. They are not going to continue with coal.   Smiley

"You want to sell coal to India? Good luck with that."

Adani Mining plans to extract up to 20,000 million tonnes of thermal coal per annum from the Carmichael mine and export it to Adani-owned coal-fired power stations in India.

Mr Gore said the statistics showed India was rapidly shifting towards solar and wind energy and not investing in coal.   Smiley

Financial institutions worldwide were increasingly reluctant to back new coal projects, he said.

"That is one of the reasons why not a single global financial institution, after doing the financial analysis, would put any money up for the Adani mine, not a single cent," Mr Gore said.

"May I just say. This is nuts. But I doubt [Adani] is ever going to happen anyway."

In March 2019, coal produced 56.4 per cent of India's energy, with hydro plants producing 15 per cent and solar and wind about 18 per cent.

"India is now getting bids for electricity produced from solar that is one-quarter lower than electricity from coal," Mr Gore said.

Forbes magazine made a similar observation last year, reporting how the cost of renewable energy in India had decreased by 50 per cent over the 2016-18 period.


Mr Gore said he could not understand why the coal in the Galilee Basin was being considered when some coal reserves in India had higher "inherent energy" output levels than the Queensland coal.

He said Indian financial experts were pointing to the increasing investment in renewable energy in India and the decline in new coal investment in India.

"I am trying to tread carefully here, but what do they know that some people in other countries don't seem to know?" Mr Gore said.

Adani Mining Australia as recently as last week said its Carmichael Coal Mine project was more than viable and they were ready to provide $2 billion to construct the mine and the railway to connect the mine to the existing Aurizon rail line which runs to Abbot Point port near Mackay.

Mr Gore, who advocates against fossil fuels in favour of expanding renewable energy such from wind and solar sources, said Australia should be concentrating on expanding its renewable energy framework and coupling that to new battery systems.

"This is the future, we are getting away from these dirty fossil fuels," he said, praising the recent push into electric vehicles in Australia and New Zealand.

He said Queenslanders were passionate supporters of solar rooftop systems.

"On a global basis we get as much energy from the sun in one hour as the entire global economy uses in a full year," he said.

"Since Australia has the best solar resource of any nation in the world, you would only have to capture 0.1 per cent of the solar energy that god makes available to you in order to meet 100 per cent of your energy needs.

"If we can increase the fraction that we can profitably harness and use then we can stop using the atmosphere as an open sewer."

Mr Gore drew a loud laugh when he told how Kentucky's famous coal museum has recently installed solar panels.

His presentation was punchy and updated with lots of recent Australian, Queensland and Brisbane observations.

He noted the Sydney Opera House "an iconic Australian symbol" had on World Environment Day vowed to generate all its electricity from renewable energy sources.

He appreciated both Queensland and New South Wales governments committing to having zero net emissions by 2050.

However, he saved his closing remarks for the expanding battery sector which he said would allow renewable energy to be stored and used in large scale energy systems "when the sun didn't shine and the wind isn't blowing".

"The technologists and engineers and scientists have given us  much cheaper batteries," he said.   Smiley

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Reply #1 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 7:24am
 
He is right and I can see adani as a big stranded asset soon, with a lot of our money stranded with it... Smiley
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Reply #2 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:03pm
 
Al Gore the author of "The Inconvenient Truth" which turned out to be so many Inconvenient Mistruths. Grin Grin Grin

And just gays after Britain's last remaining steel manufacturer closed because of high electricity costs. That steel manufacturing has to go somewhere. And it won't be to Europe.
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Reply #3 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:06pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 7:24am:
He is right and I can see adani as a big stranded asset soon, with a lot of our money stranded with it.



Not only can you foresee the future but tell us where we'll lose money?

Quick invest it where it will be safe. Renewables maybe? Wink
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Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:24pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 7:24am:
He is right and I can see adani as a big stranded asset soon, with a lot of our money stranded with it... Smiley


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Reply #5 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:26pm
 
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In Al Gore's brainwashing session in Brisbane today he reportedly said "65% of energy in India from renewables".

The reality on electricity generation by source in India in FY 2017-18 is

Coal: 75.9%
Solar Power: 2.0%
Wind Power: 4.0%
Nuclear: 2.9%
Gas: 3.9%
Large Hydro: 9.7%
Small Hydro: 0.4%
Biomass: 1.2%


An Inconvenient Truth: taxpayers paid $320,000 for his 3 days of propaganda and lies thanks to the Trad-Palaszczuk regime.


Who on earth would pay this crook to listen to his propaganda?

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Reply #6 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:30pm
 
Hee hee ... like
"Selling snow to the Eskimos".
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Oh, wait ... that could become a real business opportunity.  Wink
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Reply #7 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:42pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:06pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 7:24am:
He is right and I can see adani as a big stranded asset soon, with a lot of our money stranded with it.



Not only can you foresee the future but tell us where we'll lose money?

Quick invest it where it will be safe. Renewables maybe? Wink

most big investment firms wont loan money for coal projects... I'm just agreeing with them.

How many power companies have gone broke from changing to renewables   Wink
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Reply #8 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:45pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:42pm:
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:06pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 7:24am:
He is right and I can see adani as a big stranded asset soon, with a lot of our money stranded with it.



Not only can you foresee the future but tell us where we'll lose money?

Quick invest it where it will be safe. Renewables maybe? Wink

most big investment firms wont loan money for coal projects... I'm just agreeing with them.

How many power companies have gone broke from changing to renewables   Wink


Take away the subsidies on windymills etc and the TAX off coal and see how long renewables last..

Like ... 5 minutes  Roll Eyes

Why do you think I our energy prices keep going up you dunce...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:59pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:26pm:
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In Al Gore's brainwashing session in Brisbane today he reportedly said "65% of energy in India from renewables".

The reality on electricity generation by source in India in FY 2017-18 is

Coal: 75.9%
Solar Power: 2.0%
Wind Power: 4.0%
Nuclear: 2.9%
Gas: 3.9%
Large Hydro: 9.7%
Small Hydro: 0.4%
Biomass: 1.2%


An Inconvenient Truth: taxpayers paid $320,000 for his 3 days of propaganda and lies thanks to the Trad-Palaszczuk regime.


Who on earth would pay this crook to listen to his propaganda?

Oh wait...  Roll Eyes

This is what he said

whiteknight wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:54am:
In March 2019, coal produced 56.4 per cent of India's energy, with hydro plants producing 15 per cent and solar and wind about 18 per cent."India is now getting bids for electricity produced from solar that is one-quarter lower than electricity from coal," Mr Gore said.


Ummm if you got up to date figure like gore used and not years old one you will see he is right Smiley

https://powermin.nic.in/en/content/power-sector-glance-all-india

1.Total Installed Capacity  (As on 28.02.2019) - Source : Central Electricity Authority (CEA)    
               Coal  MW 1,91,093    54.6%
               RES* (MNRE) MW74,082  21.2%
he was wrong though Solar and Wind is about 21% not 18% like he said .coal percentage is even less than he said so he undersold that too.......

now where did you get this rubbish about him saying 65% of renewables in India
the report quotes him at 33% (15% hydro 18% solar/wind)

Now those are inconvenient truths....

if coal was 75% in 2017 and in 2019 is only 55% then i think Australia should look hard if we want Adani mine here... Good Spot there Mechanic on how fast coal power is disappearing in India... Wink



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Reply #10 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 1:02pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:45pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:42pm:
lee wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:06pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 7:24am:
He is right and I can see adani as a big stranded asset soon, with a lot of our money stranded with it.



Not only can you foresee the future but tell us where we'll lose money?

Quick invest it where it will be safe. Renewables maybe? Wink

most big investment firms wont loan money for coal projects... I'm just agreeing with them.

How many power companies have gone broke from changing to renewables   Wink


Take away the subsidies on windymills etc and the TAX off coal and see how long renewables last..

Like ... 5 minutes  Roll Eyes

Why do you think I our energy prices keep going up you dunce...  Roll Eyes

Take all the Tax benefits and allowences off of Fossil fuel exploration, gathering and use and see how long they last  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #11 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 1:16pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:59pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:26pm:
Quote:
In Al Gore's brainwashing session in Brisbane today he reportedly said "65% of energy in India from renewables".

The reality on electricity generation by source in India in FY 2017-18 is

Coal: 75.9%
Solar Power: 2.0%
Wind Power: 4.0%
Nuclear: 2.9%
Gas: 3.9%
Large Hydro: 9.7%
Small Hydro: 0.4%
Biomass: 1.2%


An Inconvenient Truth: taxpayers paid $320,000 for his 3 days of propaganda and lies thanks to the Trad-Palaszczuk regime.


Who on earth would pay this crook to listen to his propaganda?

Oh wait...  Roll Eyes

This is what he said

whiteknight wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:54am:
In March 2019, coal produced 56.4 per cent of India's energy, with hydro plants producing 15 per cent and solar and wind about 18 per cent."India is now getting bids for electricity produced from solar that is one-quarter lower than electricity from coal," Mr Gore said.


Ummm if you got up to date figure like gore used and not years old one you will see he is right Smiley

https://powermin.nic.in/en/content/power-sector-glance-all-india

1.Total Installed Capacity  (As on 28.02.2019) - Source : Central Electricity Authority (CEA)    
               Coal  MW 1,91,093    54.6%
               RES* (MNRE) MW74,082  21.2%
he was wrong though Solar and Wind is about 21% not 18% like he said .coal percentage is even less than he said so he undersold that too.......

now where did you get this rubbish about him saying 65% of renewables in India
the report quotes him at 33% (15% hydro 18% solar/wind)

Now those are inconvenient truths....

if coal was 75% in 2017 and in 2019 is only 55% then i think Australia should look hard if we want Adani mine here... Good Spot there Mechanic on how fast coal power is disappearing in India... Wink




As Mechanic has shown  us, India's use of coal generation has dropped 20% in 2 years from 75.9% to 54.6% , if that trend keeps going India will be coal free in just over 5 years....  It's fine Adani wants to build that mine, but with numbers like that I don't think our Government (and intimately us) should pay a cent to help them.... Wink
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Reply #12 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 1:27pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:59pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:26pm:
Quote:
In Al Gore's brainwashing session in Brisbane today he reportedly said "65% of energy in India from renewables".

The reality on electricity generation by source in India in FY 2017-18 is

Coal: 75.9%
Solar Power: 2.0%
Wind Power: 4.0%
Nuclear: 2.9%
Gas: 3.9%
Large Hydro: 9.7%
Small Hydro: 0.4%
Biomass: 1.2%


An Inconvenient Truth: taxpayers paid $320,000 for his 3 days of propaganda and lies thanks to the Trad-Palaszczuk regime.


Who on earth would pay this crook to listen to his propaganda?

Oh wait...  Roll Eyes

This is what he said

whiteknight wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:54am:
In March 2019, coal produced 56.4 per cent of India's energy, with hydro plants producing 15 per cent and solar and wind about 18 per cent."India is now getting bids for electricity produced from solar that is one-quarter lower than electricity from coal," Mr Gore said.


Ummm if you got up to date figure like gore used and not years old one you will see he is right Smiley

https://powermin.nic.in/en/content/power-sector-glance-all-india

1.Total Installed Capacity  (As on 28.02.2019) - Source : Central Electricity Authority (CEA)    
               Coal  MW 1,91,093    54.6%
               RES* (MNRE) MW74,082  21.2%
he was wrong though Solar and Wind is about 21% not 18% like he said .coal percentage is even less than he said so he undersold that too.......

now where did you get this rubbish about him saying 65% of renewables in India
the report quotes him at 33% (15% hydro 18% solar/wind)

Now those are inconvenient truths....

if coal was 75% in 2017 and in 2019 is only 55% then i think Australia should look hard if we want Adani mine here... Good Spot there Mechanic on how fast coal power is disappearing in India... Wink






Gore cherry picked one month  Roll Eyes ... and where is that figure he picked and/or made up???

No evidence  Roll Eyes

Read your own links - conventional power is still increasing year in and year out..

More conventional generation = more coal

Dur...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 1:50pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 1:27pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:59pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:26pm:
Quote:
In Al Gore's brainwashing session in Brisbane today he reportedly said "65% of energy in India from renewables".

The reality on electricity generation by source in India in FY 2017-18 is

Coal: 75.9%
Solar Power: 2.0%
Wind Power: 4.0%
Nuclear: 2.9%
Gas: 3.9%
Large Hydro: 9.7%
Small Hydro: 0.4%
Biomass: 1.2%


An Inconvenient Truth: taxpayers paid $320,000 for his 3 days of propaganda and lies thanks to the Trad-Palaszczuk regime.


Who on earth would pay this crook to listen to his propaganda?

Oh wait...  Roll Eyes

This is what he said

whiteknight wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 4:54am:
In March 2019, coal produced 56.4 per cent of India's energy, with hydro plants producing 15 per cent and solar and wind about 18 per cent."India is now getting bids for electricity produced from solar that is one-quarter lower than electricity from coal," Mr Gore said.


Ummm if you got up to date figure like gore used and not years old one you will see he is right Smiley

https://powermin.nic.in/en/content/power-sector-glance-all-india

1.Total Installed Capacity  (As on 28.02.2019) - Source : Central Electricity Authority (CEA)    
               Coal  MW 1,91,093    54.6%
               RES* (MNRE) MW74,082  21.2%
he was wrong though Solar and Wind is about 21% not 18% like he said .coal percentage is even less than he said so he undersold that too.......

now where did you get this rubbish about him saying 65% of renewables in India
the report quotes him at 33% (15% hydro 18% solar/wind)

Now those are inconvenient truths....

if coal was 75% in 2017 and in 2019 is only 55% then i think Australia should look hard if we want Adani mine here... Good Spot there Mechanic on how fast coal power is disappearing in India... Wink






Gore cherry picked one month  Roll Eyes ... and where is that figure he picked and/or made up???

No evidence  Roll Eyes

Read your own links - conventional power is still increasing year in and year out..

More conventional generation = more coal

Dur...  Roll Eyes

Nope wrong again those are the latest figures from the Indian Government and not cherry picked....
Conventional Energy is usually just Thermal ,It is weird though because they include hydro and Nuke as conventional...
The electricity generation target of conventional sources for the year 2018-19 was fixed at 1265 BU comprising of 1091.500 BU thermal; 130.000 BU hydro; 38.500 nuclear; and 5.000 BU import from Bhutan.


Gore is using the official Government numbers, where I think you got you info from Wikki….  Cheesy
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Reply #14 - Jun 7th, 2019 at 2:02pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 12:59pm:
    RES* (MNRE) MW74,082  21.2%


Note the asterisk.

"* Installed capacity in respect of RES (MNRE) as on 31.01.2019."

So out of that installed capacity take out the capacity factor. That is the amount of electricity generated.

Solar -

" The estimated capacity factor varies from 16 to 20% in various parts of the country."

http://www.cercind.gov.in/2011/Whats-New/PERFORMANCE%20OF%20SOLAR%20POWER%20PLAN...

Wind -

"However the plant load factor (PLF) in wind power generation is very low, often in the single digits. "

http://ethesis.nitrkl.ac.in/1732/1/thesis-d2.pdf
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