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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #30 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:09am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:13pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 5:18am:

I think Climate change and especially the C02 debate is a great distraction to the fact that when you burn Fossil fuels it poisons us and the earth (just look at the air in big cities)….
The biggist tragedy it seems with this debate is when someone decides that the world isnt warming from man made elements and especial C02 then they tend to ignore that Fossil Fuel poison us.
The usual reply is everything is fine, we don't need to change. Wink

The fossil fuels are not what's killing us/anyone .... it's the chemical additives and the emissions that go through so called pollution control devices on the vehicles.

The amount of man made CO2 is tiny compared to natural levels.

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The natural CO2 flux to and from oceans and land plants amounts to approximately 210 gigatons of carbon annually. Man currently causes about 8 gigatons of carbon to be injected into the atmosphere, about 4% of the natural annual flux. There are estimates that about half of man's emissions are taken up by nature.Mar 2, 2013
Most Of The Rise In CO2 Likely Comes From Natural Sources
https://notrickszone.com/.../most-of-the-rise-in-co2-likely-comes-from-natural-s
ources/

SO how exactly does a pollution control device on a car make poisons from Fossil Fuels... Wink

what additives are you talking about.... and as I said C02 isn't the issue its the poison burning fossil fuels... if you have doubts run your car in a enclosed garage for awhile and jump in and tell us how you go Wink

Since when has Climate science been on about carbon monoxide in the environment?

All I've ever heard about is CO2.

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #31 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:19am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.

Ok so basically your solution is to bring us all back to the middle ages ?
A true anarchist, we can all go Mad max style.... not a bad solution, a tad extreme in my view, but hay we at this forum like the internet , so how about we keep that (even at the expense of a few more people about)

I think it is more about going back to what we are supposed to be. No middle ages title, just life as it should be.
Natural selection is nature's way of cleansing itself. Every other animal, without human interference, goes through the same selection...generation after generation....but not the human.

What's this world going to be like with double the human population we have now? That's where we are heading with our current mindset.

blah blah, all pie in the sky stuff, you want no government's and anarchy.... as long as it doesn't effect your family because you guys pay taxes...… Natural selection is just a nice way of describing what is happening now in the middle east and Africa...… you just want the rest of the world to follow, except of course in your little pocket of the world. Wink

At least you could have some real idea's,
maybe round up of groups and kill them.
Chemical castration
Impose birthing rights like china did.
Take away the goverment of a area and rule and see what happens, natural selection.

instead your idea is to get rid the internet
stop drilling oil

so basic with no reason for them or thought of what that wll do.

Yes i agree that there is to much population growth and starting with the 3rd world countries the rest of the world has to intervene and put a stop to it (even if the country has no oil), with contraceptive's , chemical castrating if needed ,even putting some of the highly unnourished souls to rest. Then they can attack the bigger countries and demand lower populations as well (im thinking china and India).

No easy way to do it and very big brotherish... i suppose you can have that scenario or yours where you just get rid of civilization and see how it pans out......

I'm sure there are other ways to do it to, none seam to be working at the moment though.
Wink

One of the contributing factors to over population in 3rd world countries is .... THE REST OF WORLD /THE WEST..... intervening.

And we have been for 40 or 50 years.

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #32 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:37am

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:13pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 5:18am:

I think Climate change and especially the C02 debate is a great distraction to the fact that when you burn Fossil fuels it poisons us and the earth (just look at the air in big cities)….
The biggist tragedy it seems with this debate is when someone decides that the world isnt warming from man made elements and especial C02 then they tend to ignore that Fossil Fuel poison us.
The usual reply is everything is fine, we don't need to change. Wink

The fossil fuels are not what's killing us/anyone .... it's the chemical additives and the emissions that go through so called pollution control devices on the vehicles.

The amount of man made CO2 is tiny compared to natural levels.

Quote:

The natural CO2 flux to and from oceans and land plants amounts to approximately 210 gigatons of carbon annually. Man currently causes about 8 gigatons of carbon to be injected into the atmosphere, about 4% of the natural annual flux. There are estimates that about half of man's emissions are taken up by nature.Mar 2, 2013
Most Of The Rise In CO2 Likely Comes From Natural Sources
https://notrickszone.com/.../most-of-the-rise-in-co2-likely-comes-from-natural-s
ources/

SO how exactly does a pollution control device on a car make poisons from Fossil Fuels... Wink

what additives are you talking about.... and as I said C02 isn't the issue its the poison burning fossil fuels... if you have doubts run your car in a enclosed garage for awhile and jump in and tell us how you go Wink

Since when has Climate science been on about carbon monoxide in the environment?

All I've ever heard about is CO2.

your the one that said only additives are poisonous in Fossil fuel (which by the way you haven't answered why the dangerous) so I challenged you to sit in a garage... nothing to do with Climate science Wink

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #33 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:39am

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:19am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.

Ok so basically your solution is to bring us all back to the middle ages ?
A true anarchist, we can all go Mad max style.... not a bad solution, a tad extreme in my view, but hay we at this forum like the internet , so how about we keep that (even at the expense of a few more people about)

I think it is more about going back to what we are supposed to be. No middle ages title, just life as it should be.
Natural selection is nature's way of cleansing itself. Every other animal, without human interference, goes through the same selection...generation after generation....but not the human.

What's this world going to be like with double the human population we have now? That's where we are heading with our current mindset.

blah blah, all pie in the sky stuff, you want no government's and anarchy.... as long as it doesn't effect your family because you guys pay taxes...… Natural selection is just a nice way of describing what is happening now in the middle east and Africa...… you just want the rest of the world to follow, except of course in your little pocket of the world. Wink

At least you could have some real idea's,
maybe round up of groups and kill them.
Chemical castration
Impose birthing rights like china did.
Take away the goverment of a area and rule and see what happens, natural selection.

instead your idea is to get rid the internet
stop drilling oil

so basic with no reason for them or thought of what that wll do.

Yes i agree that there is to much population growth and starting with the 3rd world countries the rest of the world has to intervene and put a stop to it (even if the country has no oil), with contraceptive's , chemical castrating if needed ,even putting some of the highly unnourished souls to rest. Then they can attack the bigger countries and demand lower populations as well (im thinking china and India).

No easy way to do it and very big brotherish... i suppose you can have that scenario or yours where you just get rid of civilization and see how it pans out......

I'm sure there are other ways to do it to, none seam to be working at the moment though.
Wink

One of the contributing factors to over population in 3rd world countries is .... THE REST OF WORLD /THE WEST..... intervening.

And we have been for 40 or 50 years.

and nothing to do with war and their own government's being corrupt ………..

so then what is a answer then ( I think the survival of the fittest thing is already happening and not working well) ?

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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 57012 Gender:	Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us Reply #36 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:52am DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:44am: Jasin wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:43am: Hey VIC! Can you flush FD's Topic to the Enviro Board where it belongs. nah he will send it to extremism like every other post he does No he doesn't Monkey Shines. You're delusional on the drink as usual.
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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #37 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 12:02pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:37am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:13pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 5:18am:

I think Climate change and especially the C02 debate is a great distraction to the fact that when you burn Fossil fuels it poisons us and the earth (just look at the air in big cities)….
The biggist tragedy it seems with this debate is when someone decides that the world isnt warming from man made elements and especial C02 then they tend to ignore that Fossil Fuel poison us.
The usual reply is everything is fine, we don't need to change. Wink

The fossil fuels are not what's killing us/anyone .... it's the chemical additives and the emissions that go through so called pollution control devices on the vehicles.

The amount of man made CO2 is tiny compared to natural levels.

Quote:

The natural CO2 flux to and from oceans and land plants amounts to approximately 210 gigatons of carbon annually. Man currently causes about 8 gigatons of carbon to be injected into the atmosphere, about 4% of the natural annual flux. There are estimates that about half of man's emissions are taken up by nature.Mar 2, 2013
Most Of The Rise In CO2 Likely Comes From Natural Sources
https://notrickszone.com/.../most-of-the-rise-in-co2-likely-comes-from-natural-s
ources/

SO how exactly does a pollution control device on a car make poisons from Fossil Fuels... Wink

what additives are you talking about.... and as I said C02 isn't the issue its the poison burning fossil fuels... if you have doubts run your car in a enclosed garage for awhile and jump in and tell us how you go Wink

Since when has Climate science been on about carbon monoxide in the environment?

All I've ever heard about is CO2.

your the one that said only additives are poisonous in Fossil fuel (which by the way you haven't answered why the dangerous) so I challenged you to sit in a garage... nothing to do with Climate science Wink

We used to have leaded petrol.... deemed a health and environmental hazard... rightly so.... we went to unleaded....

More than leaded they say you shouldn't get unleaded on your skin....

And the emissions are said to be as bad as leaded.
Albeit only minimally better in some aspects to leaded.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10905507

So much for emission controls.

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #38 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 12:10pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:39am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:19am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.

Ok so basically your solution is to bring us all back to the middle ages ?
A true anarchist, we can all go Mad max style.... not a bad solution, a tad extreme in my view, but hay we at this forum like the internet , so how about we keep that (even at the expense of a few more people about)

I think it is more about going back to what we are supposed to be. No middle ages title, just life as it should be.
Natural selection is nature's way of cleansing itself. Every other animal, without human interference, goes through the same selection...generation after generation....but not the human.

What's this world going to be like with double the human population we have now? That's where we are heading with our current mindset.

blah blah, all pie in the sky stuff, you want no government's and anarchy.... as long as it doesn't effect your family because you guys pay taxes...… Natural selection is just a nice way of describing what is happening now in the middle east and Africa...… you just want the rest of the world to follow, except of course in your little pocket of the world. Wink

At least you could have some real idea's,
maybe round up of groups and kill them.
Chemical castration
Impose birthing rights like china did.
Take away the goverment of a area and rule and see what happens, natural selection.

instead your idea is to get rid the internet
stop drilling oil

so basic with no reason for them or thought of what that wll do.

Yes i agree that there is to much population growth and starting with the 3rd world countries the rest of the world has to intervene and put a stop to it (even if the country has no oil), with contraceptive's , chemical castrating if needed ,even putting some of the highly unnourished souls to rest. Then they can attack the bigger countries and demand lower populations as well (im thinking china and India).

No easy way to do it and very big brotherish... i suppose you can have that scenario or yours where you just get rid of civilization and see how it pans out......

I'm sure there are other ways to do it to, none seam to be working at the moment though.
Wink

One of the contributing factors to over population in 3rd world countries is .... THE REST OF WORLD /THE WEST..... intervening.

And we have been for 40 or 50 years.

and nothing to do with war and their own government's being corrupt ………..

so then what is a answer then ( I think the survival of the fittest thing is already happening and not working well) ?

I believe the first instances bought to light were in Ethiopia and then Eritrea ..... all drought and over population.

Wars .... well ... it's nothing new to Africa either.

Govt corruption has always been a problem for nearly all African countries.

If natural selection isn't working then neither is western intervention.

Not all is about oil/ resources.

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #39 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 12:16pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 12:02pm: