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May 4th, 2019 at 1:33pm
 
Threats from white extremist group that 'tried to recruit Tarrant'


The leader of an Australian white nationalist group has made veiled threats of violence while also claiming he tried unsuccessfully to recruit the alleged Christchurch gunman Brenton Tarrant in 2017.

Lads Society president Tom Sewell said he approached Tarrant as a member of an online community, asking him to join a project to help create a "parallel society" of only white people.
Mr Sewell said his group did not condone violence "at this stage" but that "if you make the peaceful alternative impossible, you leave only the other option."

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton said all forms of extremism were taken seriously and that "using violence to force views on others is illegal and unacceptable."

Experts say the comments represent an escalation in rhetoric from the far-right after the mosque attacks that left 50 dead.

"They’re threatening to take violent action unless unreasonable conditions are met - that’s very, very worrying," Deakin University terrorism researcher Greg Barton said.

The Lads Society was founded by several former members of the United Patriots Front in late 2017, setting up club houses in Sydney and Melbourne.

The all-male group came to attention last year over fight club nights held in the club houses as well as an attempt by some members to branch stack the NSW Young Nationals.

The Herald contacted Mr Sewell to respond to comments he and Lads Society supporters made on Facebook about Tarrant on the day of the Christchurch attack.

Mr Sewell, 26, had written "this was not a false flag ... take my word for it" and that Tarrant "had been in the scene for a while", according to screenshots obtained by the monitoring group White Rose Society.

Mr Sewell told the Herald people in his scene had known of Tarrant online for at least three years. Although they never met, Melbourne-based Mr Sewell said Tarrant had multiple Facebook accounts and he approached him online to ask about possible Lads Society membership.

"The specific correspondence I had with him was that he didn’t want to be a member," Mr Sewell said. Tarrant was about to go to New Zealand. But Mr Sewell also said he inferred from Tarrant’s comments at the time, not just the subsequent attack, that he "didn’t believe there was a peaceful solution to European people being genocided".

The far-right use the inflammatory term genocide to describe their obsession with the idea that non-white immigration will lead to white people becoming a minority in Western nations.

Mr Sewell said he did not wish harm on any minorities but that he would see violence as an option "if the state continues its persecution of our people for wanting to preserve their culture and heritage" or if his members were arrested.

"The difference between my organisation, myself and him [Tarrant], is simply that we believe, certainly at this stage, that there is a peaceful solution for us to create the society we want to live in," Mr Sewell said.

"We want a peaceful alternative, we want to be treated with respect, we want to be left alone. If we are not given that opportunity, well, time will tell. I'm not going to give you any explicit threat but it's pretty f--king obvious what's going to happen."

Mr Sewell said "we’re all gravy at the moment" because police were leaving his group alone but that people were "making the world burn, and they have names and addresses."

ANU researcher Jacinta Carroll said while the Lads Society had an extremely small number of supporters, the language used by Mr Sewell indicated a possible shift from extremism towards support for illegal actions, including politically-motivated violence.

"The language used in this interview suggests a simplistic, black and white view of the world based around what this group would seek in an ideal future," Ms Carroll said.

Head of ASIO Duncan Lewis told a Senate estimates hearing last month that right-wing extremists represented a significant threat that had become "better organised" in recent years.

Mr Lewis said the agency had monitored the threat for decades and in the aftermath of Christchurch "there's no early evidence to me that there will be some dramatic reset around this."

Professor of Law at UNSW Luke McNamara said Mr Sewell’s comments would likely not amount to crimes or unlawful speech, partly because they did not identify a target.

"Australian laws in the vilification space are capable of dealing with the most blunt, explicit forms of racist expression; they are not especially adapted to dealing with nuance or subtlety," Professor McNamara said.

A NSW Police spokeswoman said "while we will not comment on specific investigations, individuals, or groups, we continue to monitor activities and rhetoric, and where necessary, take action."

Home Affairs Minister Mr Dutton said "the government’s countering violent extremism strategy addresses the drivers of all forms of violent extremism."


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Reply #1 - May 4th, 2019 at 1:54pm
 
Boys will be boys, Mother, don't panic.

It's the Muselman we need to worry about here. Have you blamed Islam yet?
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Reply #2 - May 4th, 2019 at 2:01pm
 
maybe hes got a good idea..

all like thinking persons like sewell and tarrant   

all on their own little island......

I think theres a few barron ones up in darkest Scotland....

let them go  lets see how long they last  and thrive...

they dont need us   do they??...I am all for it..


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Reply #3 - May 4th, 2019 at 2:16pm
 
cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:01pm:
maybe hes got a good idea..

all like thinking persons like sewell and tarrant   

all on their own little island......

I think theres a few barron ones up in darkest Scotland....

let them go  lets see how long they last  and thrive...

they dont need us   do they??...I am all for it..


off you go!



We could give them Manus Island or Nauru?

Maybe then they won't kill us all.
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"The difference between my organisation, myself and him [Tarrant], is simply that we believe, certainly at this stage, that there is a peaceful solution for us to create the society we want to live in"



Interesting - let me put my great mind on to this .......

a.  the group is currently pursuing peaceful solutions
b.  this does not mean it will not escalate into violent solutions
c. a separate but parallel society of 'whites' is viewed in an entirely different way than is a society of Arabs, or Indigenous, or similar...
d. 'approved' groups are therefore entitled to pursue 'their own way'... but to advocate that a 'white' (thus far undefined) group attempt to do so means they are 'extreme', whereas ghettoes, demands for separate laws, etc are not 'extreme'....

Truly we live in interesting times....

It is Inevitable™ that some response develop to never-ending policies of division, exclusion and preference...
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Reply #5 - May 4th, 2019 at 3:55pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
"The difference between my organisation, myself and him [Tarrant], is simply that we believe, certainly at this stage, that there is a peaceful solution for us to create the society we want to live in"



Interesting - let me put my great mind on to this .......

a.  the group is currently pursuing peaceful solutions
b.  this does not mean it will not escalate into violent solutions
c. a separate but parallel society of 'whites' is viewed in an entirely different way than is a society of Arabs, or Indigenous, or similar...
d. 'approved' groups are therefore entitled to pursue 'their own way'... but to advocate that a 'white' (thus far undefined) group attempt to do so means they are 'extreme', whereas ghettoes, demands for separate laws, etc are not 'extreme'....

Truly we live in interesting times....

It is Inevitable™ that some response develop to never-ending policies of division, exclusion and preference...


Yes, i thought you'd be able to relate to them.
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Reply #6 - May 4th, 2019 at 3:56pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Boys will be boys, Mother, don't panic.

It's the Muselman we need to worry about here. Have you blamed Islam yet?


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Reply #7 - May 4th, 2019 at 3:58pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 3:56pm:
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Boys will be boys, Mother, don't panic.

It's the Muselman we need to worry about here. Have you blamed Islam yet?


Mothra would betray Australia
like the Cretin who betrayed the Spartans.  Grin


Well i quite thought that Tarrant betrayed Australia.

You liiked him though, didn't you.
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Reply #8 - May 4th, 2019 at 3:59pm
 
mothra wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 3:58pm:
Jasin wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 3:56pm:
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Boys will be boys, Mother, don't panic.

It's the Muselman we need to worry about here. Have you blamed Islam yet?


Mothra would betray Australia
like the Cretin who betrayed the Spartans.  Grin


Well i quite thought that Tarrant betrayed Australia.

You liiked him though, didn't you.


Nope. He's a 'Redneck' and we all know Rednecks work hand in hand with 'Gays'.  Wink
2 Wrongs not making a right.
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Reply #9 - May 4th, 2019 at 4:02pm
 
What precisely are these threats you open your discussion with?

What have they ACTUALLY threatened to do? Burn Australian society to the ground?  Behead anyone who disagrees?

We see again the spectre (not the spectacle) of a few people in 'academic' circles making utterances about things without any foundation.

"They’re threatening to take violent action unless unreasonable conditions are met - that’s very, very worrying," Deakin University terrorism researcher Greg Barton said."

No substantiation that they have ACTUALLY made such a threat.  Firstly, Barton has not delineated what the 'unreasonable demands' are - and how any actual threat has been made if they are not accepted.  What has this group 'demanded' from society?

"We want a peaceful alternative, we want to be treated with respect, we want to be left alone. If we are not given that opportunity, well, time will tell. I'm not going to give you any explicit threat but it's pretty f--king obvious what's going to happen."

Are these 'unreasonable' demands not the same as the demands from certain other groups at this time?

"Mr Sewell said he did not wish harm on any minorities but that he would see violence as an option "if the state continues its persecution of our people for wanting to preserve their culture and heritage" or if his members were arrested."

This is what is termed a 'conditional threat' - it relies on the direct action of another first to elicit the threatened response.  So - if his 'members' are arrested for no offence etc, who bears the responsibility?  Would not a policy of arbitrary arrest be 'extreme' in itself?

"ANU researcher Jacinta Carroll said while the Lads Society had an extremely small number of supporters, the language used by Mr Sewell indicated a possible shift from extremism towards support for illegal actions, including politically-motivated violence."

Good to see she indicated this was a possible threat - not a direct threat... clearly a position shared with certain other groups at this time... once again - are those groups 'extremist'?

The term 'extremist' means holding a view at one or other extreme of the generally accepted range of social views... it could be argued that Labor's demands for women etc are extreme.. that LNP ultra-conservatives with demands for total control of the workforce are extreme... you get the drift?

I think this group - along with a number of other homegrown and imported ones - needs to be seriously reviewed and kept under observation due to its potential for violence, but that it should not be considered the only REAL threat around for Australia at this time.
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Reply #10 - May 4th, 2019 at 4:08pm
 
mothra wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:16pm:
cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:01pm:
maybe hes got a good idea..

all like thinking persons like sewell and tarrant   

all on their own little island......

I think theres a few barron ones up in darkest Scotland....

let them go  lets see how long they last  and thrive...

they dont need us   do they??...I am all for it..


off you go!



We could give them Manus Island or Nauru?

Maybe then they won't kill us all.


They don't want to kill us all .....

I think their direction is aimed at a specific group ...

however "leftards" like you may be in their sights

who knows?

Mind they don't have the record for doing anything yet compared to those they have a gripe with ...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - May 4th, 2019 at 4:11pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
mothra wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:16pm:
cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:01pm:
maybe hes got a good idea..

all like thinking persons like sewell and tarrant   

all on their own little island......

I think theres a few barron ones up in darkest Scotland....

let them go  lets see how long they last  and thrive...

they dont need us   do they??...I am all for it..


off you go!



We could give them Manus Island or Nauru?

Maybe then they won't kill us all.


They don't want to kill us all .....

I think their direction is aimed at a specific group ...

however "leftards" like you may be in their sights

who knows?

Mind they don't have the record for doing anything yet compared to those they have a gripe with ...  Roll Eyes



Looking at joining, are you?
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Reply #12 - May 4th, 2019 at 4:16pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 3:56pm:
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 1:54pm:
Boys will be boys, Mother, don't panic.

It's the Muselman we need to worry about here. Have you blamed Islam yet?


Mothra would betray Australia
like the Cretin who betrayed the Spartans.  Grin


Mothra defends Australia's constitution, dear. In it, you will find freedom of religion.

You?
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I defend the emergence of an Australian Religion over the old 'other world' Religions.
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Reply #14 - May 4th, 2019 at 4:45pm
 
mothra wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 4:11pm:
Gnads wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
mothra wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:16pm:
cods wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 2:01pm:
maybe hes got a good idea..

all like thinking persons like sewell and tarrant   

all on their own little island......

I think theres a few barron ones up in darkest Scotland....

let them go  lets see how long they last  and thrive...

they dont need us   do they??...I am all for it..


off you go!



We could give them Manus Island or Nauru?

Maybe then they won't kill us all.


They don't want to kill us all .....

I think their direction is aimed at a specific group ...

however "leftards" like you may be in their sights

who knows?

Mind they don't have the record for doing anything yet compared to those they have a gripe with ...  Roll Eyes



Looking at joining, are you?


No .... you?
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