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Reply #15 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 3:01pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 9:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:30am:

Climate change is a distraction from the real problem.....OVER POPULATION!

For some reason humans find it very difficult dealing with the truth. Population growth is the real issue with the climate. Mohler nature can heal.

ok you identified a problem , what is your solution ? Wink

Umm....there isn't one that will suit a PC outcome. To many hurt feelings you know.

Starting to acknowledge the problem is a good start though....but that won't happen. People would rather sponsor a program to increase 3rd world population instead of reduce it.

Education, incentives for women to go on contraceptives (men are hopeless as they arnt the ones to get pregnant). Really the only way to reduce population is to make it attractive to not have children and easy, probably easy would be the main one...

When you say not PC I suppose your talking about culling… If your willing to cull your own family first then I suppose you can start the topic;)

But my immediate family contributes over 100k in taxes every year to the Australian economy. None of us have any criminal history. Why would we be the first? I

You should be rejoicing. Muslim terrorists, the Pentagon's dumb bombardiers, and white extremist terrorists are following your policy of reducing the human population.

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #16 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:07pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 9:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:30am:

Climate change is a distraction from the real problem.....OVER POPULATION!

For some reason humans find it very difficult dealing with the truth. Population growth is the real issue with the climate. Mohler nature can heal.

ok you identified a problem , what is your solution ? Wink

Umm....there isn't one that will suit a PC outcome. To many hurt feelings you know.

Starting to acknowledge the problem is a good start though....but that won't happen. People would rather sponsor a program to increase 3rd world population instead of reduce it.

Education, incentives for women to go on contraceptives (men are hopeless as they arnt the ones to get pregnant). Really the only way to reduce population is to make it attractive to not have children and easy, probably easy would be the main one...

When you say not PC I suppose your talking about culling… If your willing to cull your own family first then I suppose you can start the topic;)

But my immediate family contributes over 100k in taxes every year to the Australian economy. None of us have any criminal history. Why would we be the first? I

If you cant think of Culling your own family, then what gives you the right to say others should die ?
Just because you pay Tax????? That's a reason to not reduce the population

As you say the world and the changing climate is at risk here , maybe just a Grandchild or 2 Wink

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #17 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:11pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 3:01pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 9:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:30am:

Climate change is a distraction from the real problem.....OVER POPULATION!

For some reason humans find it very difficult dealing with the truth. Population growth is the real issue with the climate. Mohler nature can heal.

ok you identified a problem , what is your solution ? Wink

Umm....there isn't one that will suit a PC outcome. To many hurt feelings you know.

Starting to acknowledge the problem is a good start though....but that won't happen. People would rather sponsor a program to increase 3rd world population instead of reduce it.

Education, incentives for women to go on contraceptives (men are hopeless as they arnt the ones to get pregnant). Really the only way to reduce population is to make it attractive to not have children and easy, probably easy would be the main one...

When you say not PC I suppose your talking about culling… If your willing to cull your own family first then I suppose you can start the topic;)

But my immediate family contributes over 100k in taxes every year to the Australian economy. None of us have any criminal history. Why would we be the first? I

You should be rejoicing. Muslim terrorists, the Pentagon's dumb bombardiers, and white extremist terrorists are following your policy of reducing the human population.

and Mc Donald's, Hungry Jacks and KFC Wink

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #18 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:13pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 5:18am:

I think Climate change and especially the C02 debate is a great distraction to the fact that when you burn Fossil fuels it poisons us and the earth (just look at the air in big cities)….
The biggist tragedy it seems with this debate is when someone decides that the world isnt warming from man made elements and especial C02 then they tend to ignore that Fossil Fuel poison us.
The usual reply is everything is fine, we don't need to change. Wink

The fossil fuels are not what's killing us/anyone .... it's the chemical additives and the emissions that go through so called pollution control devices on the vehicles.

The amount of man made CO2 is tiny compared to natural levels.

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The natural CO2 flux to and from oceans and land plants amounts to approximately 210 gigatons of carbon annually. Man currently causes about 8 gigatons of carbon to be injected into the atmosphere, about 4% of the natural annual flux. There are estimates that about half of man's emissions are taken up by nature.Mar 2, 2013
Most Of The Rise In CO2 Likely Comes From Natural Sources
https://notrickszone.com/.../most-of-the-rise-in-co2-likely-comes-from-natural-s
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Reply #19 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:44pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:13pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 5:18am:

I think Climate change and especially the C02 debate is a great distraction to the fact that when you burn Fossil fuels it poisons us and the earth (just look at the air in big cities)….
The biggist tragedy it seems with this debate is when someone decides that the world isnt warming from man made elements and especial C02 then they tend to ignore that Fossil Fuel poison us.
The usual reply is everything is fine, we don't need to change. Wink

The fossil fuels are not what's killing us/anyone .... it's the chemical additives and the emissions that go through so called pollution control devices on the vehicles.

The amount of man made CO2 is tiny compared to natural levels.

Quote:

The natural CO2 flux to and from oceans and land plants amounts to approximately 210 gigatons of carbon annually. Man currently causes about 8 gigatons of carbon to be injected into the atmosphere, about 4% of the natural annual flux. There are estimates that about half of man's emissions are taken up by nature.Mar 2, 2013
Most Of The Rise In CO2 Likely Comes From Natural Sources
https://notrickszone.com/.../most-of-the-rise-in-co2-likely-comes-from-natural-s
ources/

SO how exactly does a pollution control device on a car make poisons from Fossil Fuels... Wink

what additives are you talking about.... and as I said C02 isn't the issue its the poison burning fossil fuels... if you have doubts run your car in a enclosed garage for awhile and jump in and tell us how you go Wink

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #20 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 6:01am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 9:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:30am:

Climate change is a distraction from the real problem.....OVER POPULATION!

For some reason humans find it very difficult dealing with the truth. Population growth is the real issue with the climate. Mohler nature can heal.

ok you identified a problem , what is your solution ? Wink

Umm....there isn't one that will suit a PC outcome. To many hurt feelings you know.

Starting to acknowledge the problem is a good start though....but that won't happen. People would rather sponsor a program to increase 3rd world population instead of reduce it.

Education, incentives for women to go on contraceptives (men are hopeless as they arnt the ones to get pregnant). Really the only way to reduce population is to make it attractive to not have children and easy, probably easy would be the main one...

When you say not PC I suppose your talking about culling… If your willing to cull your own family first then I suppose you can start the topic;)

But my immediate family contributes over 100k in taxes every year to the Australian economy. None of us have any criminal history. Why would we be the first? I

If you cant think of Culling your own family, then what gives you the right to say others should die ?
Just because you pay Tax????? That's a reason to not reduce the population

As you say the world and the changing climate is at risk here , maybe just a Grandchild or 2 Wink

Touchy subject hey?

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #21 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 7:59am

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 6:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 9:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:30am:

Climate change is a distraction from the real problem.....OVER POPULATION!

For some reason humans find it very difficult dealing with the truth. Population growth is the real issue with the climate. Mohler nature can heal.

ok you identified a problem , what is your solution ? Wink

Umm....there isn't one that will suit a PC outcome. To many hurt feelings you know.

Starting to acknowledge the problem is a good start though....but that won't happen. People would rather sponsor a program to increase 3rd world population instead of reduce it.

Education, incentives for women to go on contraceptives (men are hopeless as they arnt the ones to get pregnant). Really the only way to reduce population is to make it attractive to not have children and easy, probably easy would be the main one...

When you say not PC I suppose your talking about culling… If your willing to cull your own family first then I suppose you can start the topic;)

But my immediate family contributes over 100k in taxes every year to the Australian economy. None of us have any criminal history. Why would we be the first? I

If you cant think of Culling your own family, then what gives you the right to say others should die ?
Just because you pay Tax????? That's a reason to not reduce the population

As you say the world and the changing climate is at risk here , maybe just a Grandchild or 2 Wink

Touchy subject hey?

not at all I'm just interest in what you think isn't a PC solution... and as you haven't given any other solutions I'm not sure what is a touchy subject..... I know you think your family shouldn't be in the population decrease because they pay tax, besides that really nothing Wink

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #22 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 7:59am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 6:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 9:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:30am:

Climate change is a distraction from the real problem.....OVER POPULATION!

For some reason humans find it very difficult dealing with the truth. Population growth is the real issue with the climate. Mohler nature can heal.

ok you identified a problem , what is your solution ? Wink

Umm....there isn't one that will suit a PC outcome. To many hurt feelings you know.

Starting to acknowledge the problem is a good start though....but that won't happen. People would rather sponsor a program to increase 3rd world population instead of reduce it.

Education, incentives for women to go on contraceptives (men are hopeless as they arnt the ones to get pregnant). Really the only way to reduce population is to make it attractive to not have children and easy, probably easy would be the main one...

When you say not PC I suppose your talking about culling… If your willing to cull your own family first then I suppose you can start the topic;)

But my immediate family contributes over 100k in taxes every year to the Australian economy. None of us have any criminal history. Why would we be the first? I

If you cant think of Culling your own family, then what gives you the right to say others should die ?
Just because you pay Tax????? That's a reason to not reduce the population

As you say the world and the changing climate is at risk here , maybe just a Grandchild or 2 Wink

Touchy subject hey?

not at all I'm just interest in what you think isn't a PC solution... and as you haven't given any other solutions I'm not sure what is a touchy subject..... I know you think your family shouldn't be in the population decrease because they pay tax, besides that really nothing Wink

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food. Hell, we can't produce enough food to feed the current population figures, yet we want to increase the population???? Stupid humans.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.
Let nature take its course. If my family fails then so be it but I recon we stand a good chance against most in this civilisation.

The strong will survive and the weak will be no longer....sorta like nature intended in the first place before some subhuman pox decided to keep everyone alive for financial reasons only.
Financial reasons???
Yeah that's right. Keep all alive at any cost no matter the quality of life that remains. As long as you're alive is all that matters. How you remain alive is not really an issue.....que poverty. Even a seriously sick older person cannot exit the world if they wish to, or in some countries a rape victim cannot abort a child that is not really wanted. How bloody absurd are we? It's not about how that person feels....it's about how the rest of you are programed to feel if they want to take their own life or about their pregnancy...when in reality it's none of your bloody business.

Then we like to sponsor 3rd worlders, under the guise that we are "educating" them, so they can create more 3rd worlders who are going to create even more.....bloody ridiculous. Why? Because now those countries are overflowing with people living in poverty that need to either seek asylum or refugee status due to the increase in war, malitia activity , civil war or just want out of a shitttty situation....wonder where the money comes from for all this war and unrest????

We knock down trees to create somewhere to live....yet we can't live without trees.
We drill for natural gas and poison our water supplies.....yet we need water to live.
We have filled our planets surface with cement...when we should be filling it with trees.

Humans need to start recognising over population as the new climate change....cause it's real. Get rid of the bleeding hearts and take a step back to our default setting of being an animal. Nature will win in the end.

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #23 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:03am

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.

Ok so basically your solution is to bring us all back to the middle ages ?
A true anarchist, we can all go Mad max style.... not a bad solution, a tad extreme in my view, but hay we at this forum like the internet , so how about we keep that (even at the expense of a few more people about)

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #24 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:21am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.

Ok so basically your solution is to bring us all back to the middle ages ?
A true anarchist, we can all go Mad max style.... not a bad solution, a tad extreme in my view, but hay we at this forum like the internet , so how about we keep that (even at the expense of a few more people about)

I think it is more about going back to what we are supposed to be. No middle ages title, just life as it should be.
Natural selection is nature's way of cleansing itself. Every other animal, without human interference, goes through the same selection...generation after generation....but not the human.

What's this world going to be like with double the human population we have now? That's where we are heading with our current mindset.

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Reply #25 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 11:53am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.

Ok so basically your solution is to bring us all back to the middle ages ?
A true anarchist, we can all go Mad max style.... not a bad solution, a tad extreme in my view, but hay we at this forum like the internet , so how about we keep that (even at the expense of a few more people about)

If the world was so much better then why was life expectancy about 30?

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Reply #27 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 1:05pm

And yet removing fossil fuels will do exactly that. Far less cropping, farming. People can only do so much per day without that aid.

Of course mules and oxen could make a comeback.

And even that ignores fertilisers. Although they could collect the crap, pulverise it and spread it. But I can't see millenials doing that.

And back to dung fires which kill so many in poor countries even now.

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Reply #28 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:04am

lee wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 1:05pm:

And yet removing fossil fuels will do exactly that. Far less cropping, farming. People can only do so much per day without that aid.

Of course mules and oxen could make a comeback.

And even that ignores fertilisers. Although they could collect the crap, pulverise it and spread it. But I can't see millenials doing that.

And back to dung fires which kill so many in poor countries even now.

ohh wait you forgot electric power and wind ,battery back up, hydro power even the new Gen4 Nuks look safer, the world will not collapse without Fossil Fuel's, however a lot of people will be able to live healthier lives without it Wink

...…….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Kenya
Kenya is one nation that wont be using Dung fires without FF's
Kenyans are a world leader in the number of solar power systems installed per capita. More Kenyans are turning to solar power rather than connections to the country’s electric grid
Kenya has several notable solar power distributors including M-Kopa with locally adopted payment schemes including pay-as-you-go and microfinance.
Basically they are giving even the poorest people in Kenya the use of solar to light tair homes and do the cooking.... all without fossil fuels

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Re: climate skeptics: sun farts black holes at us
Reply #29 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 7:19am

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Turn off the Internet.
Turn off the power.
Turn off modern medicine.
Stop drilling oil.
Stop producing food.
Turn off the life support systems that most humans rely on and cannot live without.

Ok so basically your solution is to bring us all back to the middle ages ?
A true anarchist, we can all go Mad max style.... not a bad solution, a tad extreme in my view, but hay we at this forum like the internet , so how about we keep that (even at the expense of a few more people about)

I think it is more about going back to what we are supposed to be. No middle ages title, just life as it should be.
Natural selection is nature's way of cleansing itself. Every other animal, without human interference, goes through the same selection...generation after generation....but not the human.

What's this world going to be like with double the human population we have now? That's where we are heading with our current mindset.

blah blah, all pie in the sky stuff, you want no government's and anarchy.... as long as it doesn't effect your family because you guys pay taxes...… Natural selection is just a nice way of describing what is happening now in the middle east and Africa...… you just want the rest of the world to follow, except of course in your little pocket of the world. Wink

At least you could have some real idea's,
maybe round up of groups and kill them.
Chemical castration
Impose birthing rights like china did.
Take away the goverment of a area and rule and see what happens, natural selection.

instead your idea is to get rid the internet
stop drilling oil

so basic with no reason for them or thought of what that wll do.

Yes i agree that there is to much population growth and starting with the 3rd world countries the rest of the world has to intervene and put a stop to it (even if the country has no oil), with contraceptive's , chemical castrating if needed ,even putting some of the highly unnourished souls to rest. Then they can attack the bigger countries and demand lower populations as well (im thinking china and India).

No easy way to do it and very big brotherish... i suppose you can have that scenario or yours where you just get rid of civilization and see how it pans out......

I'm sure there are other ways to do it to, none seam to be working at the moment though.
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