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Reply #60 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

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Reply #61 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

There has been a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with and has been active and demonstrated for a long time but nice to see you finally acknowledge it.

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Reply #62 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:51pm

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

There has been a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with and has been active and demonstrated for a long time but nice to see you finally acknowledge it.

secret I know you are attempting to paint me as an apologist for islamic terrorism, thats fine.

For the record though I have never downplayed the threat of Islamic terrorism - it is real, and it has been real for a long time.

The threat from the right is also real, and should have been identified as such long ago. Here's hoping yesterday's tragedy will finally wake people up to this threat - including the security agencies.

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #63 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:53pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

No one was ever downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism so thats a strawman.

The threat from the far right on the other hand...

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #64 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:51pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

There has been a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with and has been active and demonstrated for a long time but nice to see you finally acknowledge it.

secret I know you are attempting to paint me as an apologist for islamic terrorism, thats fine.

For the record though I have never downplayed the threat of Islamic terrorism - it is real, and it has been real for a long time.

The threat from the right is also real, and should have been identified as such long ago. Here's hoping yesterday's tragedy will finally wake people up to this threat - including the security agencies.

Yeah fair dos, I have never seen you waving a banner at the nuffin to do wiv islam shoal of apologists and dissemblers. Credit to you.

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #65 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

No one was ever downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism so thats a strawman.

The threat from the far right on the other hand...

...tiny minority and I am sure it is still more dangerous to cross a street, sound familiar?

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Reply #66 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 1:01pm

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

No one was ever downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism so thats a strawman.

The threat from the far right on the other hand...

...tiny minority and I am sure it is still more dangerous to cross a street, sound familiar?

A minority like Freediver, with loud voices and silent partners.

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #67 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 1:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

No one was ever downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism so thats a strawman.

The threat from the far right on the other hand...

The "rightwing" attacks, are a result of partisan politics, globalist progressive politics, and there has been no compromise with it, which has had the effect of politically disenfranchising millions of people, and that is what needs to be acknowledged and dealt with. Adjust the politics, then the attacks will stop

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #69 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 7:56pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 1:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

No one was ever downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism so thats a strawman.

The threat from the far right on the other hand...

The "rightwing" attacks, are a result of partisan politics, globalist progressive politics, and there has been no compromise with it, which has had the effect of politically disenfranchising millions of people, and that is what needs to be acknowledged and dealt with. Adjust the politics, then the attacks will stop

You do realise that there is literally no difference to a muslim saying that muslim attacks are a result of partisan politics to promote western aggression/imperialism against the Islamic world and oppress muslims right?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #70 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 8:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 7:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 1:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

No one was ever downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism so thats a strawman.

The threat from the far right on the other hand...

The "rightwing" attacks, are a result of partisan politics, globalist progressive politics, and there has been no compromise with it, which has had the effect of politically disenfranchising millions of people, and that is what needs to be acknowledged and dealt with. Adjust the politics, then the attacks will stop

You do realise that there is literally no difference to a muslim saying that muslim attacks are a result of partisan politics to promote western aggression/imperialism against the Islamic world and oppress muslims right?

Why aren't you living in a Muslim country?

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #71 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:51pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

There has been a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with and has been active and demonstrated for a long time but nice to see you finally acknowledge it.

secret I know you are attempting to paint me as an apologist for islamic terrorism, thats fine.

For the record though I have never downplayed the threat of Islamic terrorism - it is real, and it has been real for a long time.

The threat from the right is also real, and should have been identified as such long ago. Here's hoping yesterday's tragedy will finally wake people up to this threat - including the security agencies.

it is a shocker gandy and I for one am sick to think this happened in a Mosque to a group of innocent people by a madman......someone with a sick mind and a heart full of hate....very very much like our own Port Arthur...they have called it what it is a TERRORIST ATTACK....... and I believe these groups have been on our security watch list for a long time.....

it appears this person hasnt lived in Australia for 4 years...how long he has been in NZ I cant say but with their archaic gun laws I doubt very much they have a Security system like the one this country has....to my mind this is why he chose NZ for this horror....he got his licence there and he bought 5 guns there....I am sure anyone buying 5 guns in this country would come in for some scrutiny .. and so they should.....

I think we do pretty well here....they manage to catch them before they enact their plans......

but I am not sure about NZ....

remember gandy this guy has done a lot of traveling for about 6 years..maybe he worked out NZ was a country he could go unnoticed... and do and say things on public forums that would be shrugged off as a nut case ranting...I dont know... but if NZ or any country for that matter has been slack in checking up on these HATE groups...lets hope this will give them all a wake up call... the sooner these guys are rounded up the better for all of us...

again I am so sorry to hear of this news..

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #73 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:19pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 8:24pm:

Why aren't you living in a Muslim country?

Frank and it's ilk believe Australia is becoming a Muslim country. If that's so, why move?

Oh, Frank comes from a superior culture, Laugh. He came here to make them assimilate.

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Re: Ongoing incident in Christchurch
Reply #74 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:43pm

Frank wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 8:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 7:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 1:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 12:38pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

If now is not the time to take a deep breath and acknowledge that we have a real terrorist threat in our midst that needs to be dealt with (in a way that doesn't involve victim blaming) - a threat that isn't actually just a muslim threat - then I don't know what is.

So are you saying that with all the preceding attacks, muslim or otherwise, we didn't need to take a deep breath and acknowledge them as threats?

No one was ever downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism so thats a strawman.

The threat from the far right on the other hand...

The "rightwing" attacks, are a result of partisan politics, globalist progressive politics, and there has been no compromise with it, which has had the effect of politically disenfranchising millions of people, and that is what needs to be acknowledged and dealt with. Adjust the politics, then the attacks will stop

You do realise that there is literally no difference to a muslim saying that muslim attacks are a result of partisan politics to promote western aggression/imperialism against the Islamic world and oppress muslims right?

Why aren't you living in a Muslim country?

How about we disist with these sorts of childish attacks hmm? it demeans us both.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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