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The evil empire of Western Sydney
Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:26pm
 
Apparently without Islam, all those Muslims who traveled halfway round the world to rape, pillage, destroy democracy and post photos of headless corpses on facebook would be doing something equally sinister in western Sydney in the name of some other, unnamed, unimaginable doctrine.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 1:01pm:
You have given no convincing case for why this is necessarily true, and not "Islam gives people an excuse who otherwise have no links to the middle east to travel there etc".


If it is just the excuse, what is the real reason? Or are you playing a game of demanding proof for something you are not prepared to disagree with?

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The only reasonably certain thing you can see in this regards is that without Islam, these people wouldn't travel to the middle east to fight for Islam. But thats not saying anything useful or interesting at all.


No headless corpses on facebook is saying nothing? No destruction of democracy? Or are you in Greg's camp that they would be setting up some other evil empire of rape and pillage in western Sydney if they were not Muslims?

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My "alternative position" is merely to point out that your insistence that "Islam" is a cause of violence, as opposed to a mere excuse for it, is based on nothing whatsoever - save your own prejudice.


So when Muslims say that Islam motivates them, that does not count?

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Furthermore, you effectively concede this point when you candidly agree that there is no way of knowing whether or not something as bad or worse than Islam, or Hitler would have stepped up and caused at least as much suffering if those two had not existed.


Your defence amounts to nothing more than citing the theoretical possibility of a doctrine worse than Islam, and demanding I disprove the possibility.

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So you seem confused about what you are actually trying to say.


Here it is again for you: Islam causes people who otherwise have no links to the middle east to travel there, engage in rape and pillage, destroy democracy, and post photos of headless corpses on facebook.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 1:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 12:47pm:
Or, are you suggesting that if it wasn't for Islam, the individual members of ISIS would all be good little law-abiding citizens?

Surely not.



This is the crux of it. FD is this your position? So far you've really only managed to argue that if not for Islam, there would be no "Islamic style" violence.


Gandalf, there is a wide gap between law abiding citizen and raping and pillaging your way across the middle east - a gap that could only be invisible to Muslims and their apologists.
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Reply #1 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:41pm
 
Were they a Mindless Collective?
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Reply #2 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:03pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:41pm:

Were they a Mindless Collective?




No K.

Our security 'experts' know, that they    ARE     simply a pack, of 'lone wolves'.

.....so, nuffin to worry about.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1470276119/76#76
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Flaws in the 'Lone Wolf' Analysis


by A.J. Caschetta
New English Review
August 2016

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The 'Lone Wolf Islamists'

.......

As former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a critic of the lone wolf analysis for years now, has observed (and tweeted)

"the lone wolf has become a pack of wolves and the pack of wolves has a common ideology."








Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1547125012/0#0


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: The evil empire of Western Sydney
Reply #3 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 6:09am
 
I think this is FD's version of venting.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:25am
 

@ Reply #3,


It must be.

Because there is no rational explanation coming from the moslem community, as to why so many members of their community
are involved with violent criminality and extremism 'which has nothing to do with their faith'.



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"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....
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Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off





Yadda say's;
We should expect the vast majority of followers of ISLAM living in Australia to    ALWAYS    deny that their faith is the direct source of hatred, and 'extremism' and violence, directed against non-moslems.

Why so ?

Because the followers of ISLAM living in Australia, atm, constitute a small minority, inside Australia.

And they know it !!!    [they are not stupid]



And so, while the followers of ISLAM living in Australia are being encouraged to by their faith,
to hate and to attack non-moslem Australians [in any 'opportune' moment for them, individually],
spokesmen for their community will    ALWAYS    deny any culpability, on their part, or on the part of their 'peace-loving' faith, ISLAM.

Blatant, barefaced lying.




And our governments, in Australia, [regarding the menace to all Australians, which ISLAM constitutes,] continue 'to look the other way'.


TO LOOK AWAY, FROM THE TRUTH.



Because, our pollies are    fu cking    their partners, and loving their children,
and their own 'productive' lives are so sweet.

Pollies are our 'comfortable' stewards [servants].

And pollies [within their comfortable 'cocoons'] have no incentive, to do anything which my endanger the status quo.


'A bureaucrat is said to oppose any change, except that which increases his own power!'
- ???




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Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).

In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."


Google




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THESE ARE, THE PEACEFUL ['MODERATE'] FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM, WHO LIVE AMONG US;

IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior


January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...



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THESE ARE, THE PEACEFUL ['MODERATE'] FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM, WHO LIVE AMONG US;

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece



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They can be found everywhere.    Even here, in Australia....


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"You're never too young to be a homicidal maniac for Allah!"


- 'Aussie' moslem child, being taught 'how to practice ISLAM', in Australia.


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Muslims brainwash children in Australia
  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1546862600/1#1

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: The evil empire of Western Sydney
Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:43am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:25am:

And our governments, in Australia, [regarding the menace to all Australians, which ISLAM constitutes,] continue 'to look the other way'.


TO LOOK AWAY, FROM THE TRUTH.







To       ignore,      the TRUTH.

.....is a great folly.


But hey!     ....in our great 'TOLERANCE' today,
it is the society, and it is the 'ethic',      which we all encourage.


To       ignore,      and to turn away, from, the TRUTH.





           ignorance
comes from the root;
           to ignore


Dictionary;
ignore = = disregard intentionally.     fail to consider (something significant).



Dictionary;
ignorant, ignorance = =
1 lacking knowledge or awareness in general.     uninformed about or unaware of a specific subject or fact.
2 discourteous.
3 easily angered.




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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance.
If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper



"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann



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Truth - which is a spirit.

Zechariah 1:3
Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts.
4  Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD.




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Re: The evil empire of Western Sydney
Reply #6 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 5:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:26pm:
Apparently without Islam, all those Muslims who traveled halfway round the world to rape, pillage, destroy democracy and post photos of headless corpses on facebook would be doing something equally sinister in western Sydney in the name of some other, unnamed, unimaginable doctrine.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 1:01pm:
You have given no convincing case for why this is necessarily true, and not "Islam gives people an excuse who otherwise have no links to the middle east to travel there etc".


If it is just the excuse, what is the real reason? Or are you playing a game of demanding proof for something you are not prepared to disagree with?

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The only reasonably certain thing you can see in this regards is that without Islam, these people wouldn't travel to the middle east to fight for Islam. But thats not saying anything useful or interesting at all.


No headless corpses on facebook is saying nothing? No destruction of democracy? Or are you in Greg's camp that they would be setting up some other evil empire of rape and pillage in western Sydney if they were not Muslims?

Quote:
My "alternative position" is merely to point out that your insistence that "Islam" is a cause of violence, as opposed to a mere excuse for it, is based on nothing whatsoever - save your own prejudice.


So when Muslims say that Islam motivates them, that does not count?

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Furthermore, you effectively concede this point when you candidly agree that there is no way of knowing whether or not something as bad or worse than Islam, or Hitler would have stepped up and caused at least as much suffering if those two had not existed.


Your defence amounts to nothing more than citing the theoretical possibility of a doctrine worse than Islam, and demanding I disprove the possibility.

Quote:
So you seem confused about what you are actually trying to say.


Here it is again for you: Islam causes people who otherwise have no links to the middle east to travel there, engage in rape and pillage, destroy democracy, and post photos of headless corpses on facebook.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 1:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 12:47pm:
Or, are you suggesting that if it wasn't for Islam, the individual members of ISIS would all be good little law-abiding citizens?

Surely not.



This is the crux of it. FD is this your position? So far you've really only managed to argue that if not for Islam, there would be no "Islamic style" violence.


Gandalf, there is a wide gap between law abiding citizen and raping and pillaging your way across the middle east - a gap that could only be invisible to Muslims and their apologists.



Shifty, evasive Mohammedan is correct.

The converts like Giovanni Gandalf are the worst and most evasive and shifty. They are the Pakis of Islam. They want to prove themselves.

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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2019 at 9:25am
 
right, so I think we've got everything we need for this thread: FD with his quote bomb that no one reads, Yadda swoops in with his 3 in one "Islam = Islam" crayon job, and nicely capped off with the obligatory "never ever" meme from Frank.

Was there anything else you were hoping to get out of this FD?

I think we're about ready to rinse and repeat and move on to the next one FD. When you're ready.
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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2019 at 10:06am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 9:25am:
right, so I think we've got everything we need for this thread: FD with his quote bomb that no one reads, Yadda swoops in with his 3 in one "Islam = Islam" crayon job, and nicely capped off with the obligatory "never ever" meme from Frank.

Was there anything else you were hoping to get out of this FD?

I think we're about ready to rinse and repeat and move on to the next one FD. When you're ready.


Hang on, he hasn't evaded the Islamic blowfly yet.

FD, do you uphold the use of porkies in your campaign against the Mohammedan?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2019 at 7:38pm
 
Gandalf can you explain ISIS without resorting to Islam as a motivator?
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Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2019 at 8:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
Gandalf can you explain ISIS without resorting to Islam as a motivator?


Can you explain the conquest of the Americas by the Spanish without resorting to Christianity as a motivator?
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Reply #11 - Jan 30th, 2019 at 9:47pm
 
Sure. Gold. Huge piles of it.

Plenty also went to spread the word, but they didn't need the conquest for that.
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freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
Gandalf can you explain ISIS without resorting to Islam as a motivator?


No.

But such an idea would be no worse than insisting that Islam alone is sufficient to explain ISIS, without considering any other factors.
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Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 1:41pm
 
Western Sydney has been a migrant sump for many decades.  Muslims are just the latest denizens

There were rapes galore stemming from Western Sydney and the perpetrators were Christian Lebanese, Maltese, Italian, Greek

In aged care homes scattered throughout the Sydney region and beyond, are old women who were raped by basically wog dog-packs back in the 60's and of course, beyond

why, you might ask.  Most of the wog dogs had steady girlfriends with a few potential wives being pushed at them by their parents and community

who knows why they did it, why it was their favourite sport, weekends in particular.  Why they polished their chrome mufflers and mud-flaps, why they headed into Sydney CBD in such a fervour of excitement that they grasped each other's penisis in those shagging waggons, to see who had the biggest stiffie and who did not

They picked up young girls in entertainment venues. The most respectable of the wog dogs, those most articulate and the best looking, were sent in to capture the prey.  They flattered their girl of choice, bought her a few drinks, had a few dances, nuzzled her ear and offered to take her safely home

parked and ready were the rape pack -- in the boot, down in the back seat

the victim got into the passenger front. Smooth guy didn't drive her home.  Instead, he drove to dark spots, sometimes council tips.  The girl was stripped, raped and left alone in pitch darkness surrounded by tons of household garbage and stiffened dead dogs

Sometimes the rape pack called it a night.  Rarely did they have to return to their hangout disappointed

many nurses were targetted at one point.  The wog dog rapists collected nurses watches and attached them to their rearviews

Those old wog dog rape packs, like their victims, are mouldering away in care homes now, many of them.  Most would be grandparents.  Suppose most would deny the misogynistic, racist crimes of which they were guilty back then when they were intent -- for reasons they're most probably too clueless to even begin to analyse -- on destroying their hosts in their host nation, Australia

for choosing to desecrate and despoil the host nation's women

and it's still going on

just a different intake of wog dogs

and this time of a different faith


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Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2019 at 9:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31st, 2019 at 1:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
Gandalf can you explain ISIS without resorting to Islam as a motivator?


No.

But such an idea would be no worse than insisting that Islam alone is sufficient to explain ISIS, without considering any other factors.


Ah. Islam. And opportunity.

Also, can you explain why when I said that Islam was a motivator, you complained it was based on nothing at all?
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