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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111572 Melbourne Gender:	Re: sickening mob attack on police Reply #15 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:31pm Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm: This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face. Do we know the chronological order of events?
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Reply #16 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:36pm

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 1:29pm:

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

It shouldn't matter what race, sex or any other group identity is involved. Once a society starts turning on it's first responders without apparent fear of consequences it is a short trip to anarchy. The eventual step is first reponders becoming too fearful to actually aid those in need when it becomes too dangerous and then a society heads down the path of being at the mercy of real crime gangs (think Mafia, Crime Cabals, and certain country examples some might be able to think of.) The police must be above and beyond being manhandled in any way.
The blonde female does not get any sympathy at all from me.
Too often I have seen these types who now believe they can abuse their position by acting as an aggressive male whilst being protected from the usually demanded for equal treatment. If you are among a bunch of drunk aggressive arses-holes, probably drunk and loud-mouthed yourself and then step in and hit an officer, you should be treated just as the aggressive male you are attempting and demanding to be treated equally to.
It should be automatic prison terms for anyone found guilty of assaulting a police officer.

Can't agree with that at all.

What would be your suggested punishment for someone found guilty of assaulting yourself whilst on the job?

Depends on the circumstances.

'Assault' covers an awful lot of things.

If I was bashed unconscious, and left with severe physical injuries, a prison term would be warranted.

If a book or rolled up newspaper was thrown at me, a prison term would most certainly not be warranted.

Similarly, if someone approached and confronted me aggressively, or impeded my way in a threatening manner (assault, under criminal law), I would not think that a prison term would be warranted.

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Reply #17 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:39pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face.

I have a feeling she copped the hit with the torch for physically interfering with an arrest or she got in the road and was struck as a consequence.

No sympathy from me ..... they're feckin animals.

Not excusing their bad behavior but the cops walked straight into a potentially explosive situation, and it did explode

The cops need better training. The trouble is the cops at the top are nancy pansies that need to be replaced with tough no nonsense cops, but where do you get tough cops from? no one is tough anymore, they're all PC pansies

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Reply #18 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:42pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face.

I have a feeling she copped the hit with the torch for physically interfering with an arrest or she got in the road and was struck as a consequence.

No sympathy from me ..... they're feckin animals.

Not excusing their bad behavior but the cops walked straight into a potentially explosive situation, and it did explode

The cops need better training. The trouble is the cops at the top are nancy pansies that need to be replaced with tough no nonsense cops, but where do you get tough cops from? no one is tough anymore, they're all PC pansies

Dirty Harry knew what to do with punks:

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Reply #19 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:43pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face.

So was the one about this darkie, very interesting, the darkie walked free. Kicked a cop and received no conviction

The teenager, who cannot be named, was granted bail and was later put on a nine-month probation order without conviction.

It spreads like a disease. Once it becomes known the police officers are now possible fair game the streets of a society become more dangerous and more aggressive. The more excuses made for certain individuals, the more other "low lifes" see it as a green light and eventually it becomes a type of normalised behaviour in the now degraded and less safe society. Australia is losing it's way in certain areas and the positioning of our first responders in society regarding aggressive interference is just one. They must not be touched aggressively, period. Successfully safe societies, with advanced legal systems as fail safes depend on it.
PS I had to edit out your link as I can't post any links, even those not belonging to me that have already been site posted!! A slight shortfall in the system. Come on FD get with it.

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Reply #20 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 1:29pm:

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

It shouldn't matter what race, sex or any other group identity is involved. Once a society starts turning on it's first responders without apparent fear of consequences it is a short trip to anarchy. The eventual step is first reponders becoming too fearful to actually aid those in need when it becomes too dangerous and then a society heads down the path of being at the mercy of real crime gangs (think Mafia, Crime Cabals, and certain country examples some might be able to think of.) The police must be above and beyond being manhandled in any way.
The blonde female does not get any sympathy at all from me.
Too often I have seen these types who now believe they can abuse their position by acting as an aggressive male whilst being protected from the usually demanded for equal treatment. If you are among a bunch of drunk aggressive arses-holes, probably drunk and loud-mouthed yourself and then step in and hit an officer, you should be treated just as the aggressive male you are attempting and demanding to be treated equally to.
It should be automatic prison terms for anyone found guilty of assaulting a police officer.

Can't agree with that at all.

100% agree...

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Reply #21 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:48pm

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face.

So was the one about this darkie, very interesting, the darkie walked free. Kicked a cop and received no conviction

The teenager, who cannot be named, was granted bail and was later put on a nine-month probation order without conviction.

It spreads like a disease. Once it becomes known the police officers are now possible fair game the streets of a society become more dangerous and more aggressive. The more excuses made for certain individuals, the more other "low lifes" see it as a green light and eventually it becomes a type of normalised behaviour in the now degraded and less safe society. Australia is losing it's way in certain areas and the positioning of our first responders in society regarding aggressive interference is just one. They must not be touched aggressively, period. Successfully safe societies, with advanced legal systems as fail safes depend on it.
PS I had to edit out your link as I can't post any links, even those not belonging to me that have already been site posted!! A slight shortfall in the system. Come on FD get with it.

There's legislation in place in WA.

Has been for years.

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Reply #22 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:55pm

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 1:29pm:

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

It shouldn't matter what race, sex or any other group identity is involved. Once a society starts turning on it's first responders without apparent fear of consequences it is a short trip to anarchy. The eventual step is first reponders becoming too fearful to actually aid those in need when it becomes too dangerous and then a society heads down the path of being at the mercy of real crime gangs (think Mafia, Crime Cabals, and certain country examples some might be able to think of.) The police must be above and beyond being manhandled in any way.
The blonde female does not get any sympathy at all from me.
Too often I have seen these types who now believe they can abuse their position by acting as an aggressive male whilst being protected from the usually demanded for equal treatment. If you are among a bunch of drunk aggressive arses-holes, probably drunk and loud-mouthed yourself and then step in and hit an officer, you should be treated just as the aggressive male you are attempting and demanding to be treated equally to.
It should be automatic prison terms for anyone found guilty of assaulting a police officer.

Can't agree with that at all.

100% agree...

Go to prison for throwing a newspaper at a police officer.

Sounds reasonable Roll Eyes

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6382 Australia Gender:	Re: sickening mob attack on police Reply #23 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:58pm Glad you agree.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143938 Gender:	Re: sickening mob attack on police Reply #24 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:00pm Fuzzball wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:58pm: Glad you agree. I agree that mandatory sentencing is ridiculous, yes. Go to prison for throwing a newspaper at someone
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Reply #25 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:48pm:

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face.

So was the one about this darkie, very interesting, the darkie walked free. Kicked a cop and received no conviction

The teenager, who cannot be named, was granted bail and was later put on a nine-month probation order without conviction.

It spreads like a disease. Once it becomes known the police officers are now possible fair game the streets of a society become more dangerous and more aggressive. The more excuses made for certain individuals, the more other "low lifes" see it as a green light and eventually it becomes a type of normalised behaviour in the now degraded and less safe society. Australia is losing it's way in certain areas and the positioning of our first responders in society regarding aggressive interference is just one. They must not be touched aggressively, period. Successfully safe societies, with advanced legal systems as fail safes depend on it.
PS I had to edit out your link as I can't post any links, even those not belonging to me that have already been site posted!! A slight shortfall in the system. Come on FD get with it.

There's legislation in place in WA.

Has been for years.

Legislation "in total" now does not indicate automatic jailing for assault convictions on police. I'm not going to go through pulling out the myriad of examples including personally known cases where there is no such thing as automatic prison terms for assault on police any more. Hence the relative degradation of fear regarding such through societies low-life elements. It is not automatic prison on conviction of such to police, it should be and it should be embedded throughout society as it once was. You do not touch police aggressively.

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BigP Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1924 West Auckland Gender:	Re: sickening mob attack on police Reply #26 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:08pm This sorta shite happens when you start letting to many gay, transgender and vegan people join the force
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Reply #27 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:09pm

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:48pm:

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face.

So was the one about this darkie, very interesting, the darkie walked free. Kicked a cop and received no conviction

The teenager, who cannot be named, was granted bail and was later put on a nine-month probation order without conviction.

It spreads like a disease. Once it becomes known the police officers are now possible fair game the streets of a society become more dangerous and more aggressive. The more excuses made for certain individuals, the more other "low lifes" see it as a green light and eventually it becomes a type of normalised behaviour in the now degraded and less safe society. Australia is losing it's way in certain areas and the positioning of our first responders in society regarding aggressive interference is just one. They must not be touched aggressively, period. Successfully safe societies, with advanced legal systems as fail safes depend on it.
PS I had to edit out your link as I can't post any links, even those not belonging to me that have already been site posted!! A slight shortfall in the system. Come on FD get with it.

There's legislation in place in WA.

Has been for years.

Legislation "in total" now does not indicate automatic jailing for assault convictions on police. I'm not going to go through pulling out the myriad of examples including personally known cases where there is no such thing as automatic prison terms for assault on police any more. Hence the relative degradation of fear regarding such through society. It is not automatic prison on conviction of such to police, it should be and it should be embedded throughout society as it once was. You do not touch police aggressively.

"A Perth woman has been sentenced to six months in jail for assaulting a police officer, with the magistrate noting he had no option as the charge carries a mandatory minimum term."

Magistrate Steven Malley said he had read a number of character referrals and was satisfied that Staskos' actions on the night of the assault were out of character but his hands were tied when it came to sentencing.

"I'm guided by Parliament as to this sentence," Mr Malley said.

"Normally imprisonment would not be my only option. But it doesn't matter if the Queen sends you a referral, I'm bound by the legislation."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-29/daniell-staskos-sentenced-over-police-off...

"Minimum mandatory sentences have to be served before parole.

"Covers legislation protecting WA police and other public officers against assaults and police pursuit laws".

WA’s mandatory sentencing laws strengthened

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Reply #29 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:09pm:

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 3:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:48pm:

goosecat wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Tally wrote on Feb 26^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

This is an interesting case. I have a feeling the violence escalated after the man saw his wife, the mother of his child with blood streaming down her face.

So was the one about this darkie, very interesting, the darkie walked free. Kicked a cop and received no conviction

The teenager, who cannot be named, was granted bail and was later put on a nine-month probation order without conviction.

It spreads like a disease. Once it becomes known the police officers are now possible fair game the streets of a society become more dangerous and more aggressive. The more excuses made for certain individuals, the more other "low lifes" see it as a green light and eventually it becomes a type of normalised behaviour in the now degraded and less safe society. Australia is losing it's way in certain areas and the positioning of our first responders in society regarding aggressive interference is just one. They must not be touched aggressively, period. Successfully safe societies, with advanced legal systems as fail safes depend on it.
PS I had to edit out your link as I can't post any links, even those not belonging to me that have already been site posted!! A slight shortfall in the system. Come on FD get with it.

There's legislation in place in WA.

Has been for years.

Legislation "in total" now does not indicate automatic jailing for assault convictions on police. I'm not going to go through pulling out the myriad of examples including personally known cases where there is no such thing as automatic prison terms for assault on police any more. Hence the relative degradation of fear regarding such through society. It is not automatic prison on conviction of such to police, it should be and it should be embedded throughout society as it once was. You do not touch police aggressively.

"A Perth woman has been sentenced to six months in jail for assaulting a police officer, with the magistrate noting he had no option as the charge carries a mandatory minimum term."

Magistrate Steven Malley said he had read a number of character referrals and was satisfied that Staskos' actions on the night of the assault were out of character but his hands were tied when it came to sentencing.

"I'm guided by Parliament as to this sentence," Mr Malley said.

"Normally imprisonment would not be my only option. But it doesn't matter if the Queen sends you a referral, I'm bound by the legislation."

"Minimum mandatory sentences have to be served before parole.

"Covers legislation protecting WA police and other public officers against assaults and police pursuit laws".

I believe she could have appealed the sentence under certain circumstances. At higher courts there are still argued abilities to overturn such sentence I am led to believe. Certainly I have a personal acquaintance convicted of police assault who was not automatically sentenced to prison, (he did end up going after appeal by police and overturn of original sentence).
Nonetheless I'm glad to see you list such efforts by Western Australia to address the issue. Hopefully that type of legislature effort will be reproduced around the country. As I said. Assault a police officer, go to jail. Safe societies depend on it.
PS: had to edit out your link. Every time I try to respond to someone with a link in their message bloody FD says no! I keep forgetting, hit send and then get the pop up. It's a pain in the arse

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