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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141785 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #405 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:10pm Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:08pm: They didn't need to proceed to extradite him because he chose to return. The Vatican would have been a very difficult (if not impossible) nut to crack, but Pell actually lived outside of the Vatican. That's a 'no' then.
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Reply #406 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:12pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:09pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

On what basis?

I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice. Wink

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Reply #407 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:14pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

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Reply #408 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:15pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:09pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

On what basis?

I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice. Wink

So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #409 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:15pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:09pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

On what basis?

I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice. Wink

So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?

But...on what basis did YOU say, "it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal?"

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Reply #410 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:15pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:09pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

On what basis?

I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice. Wink

So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?

Usually, the one with with the most money wins.

If Pell goes to jail and stays there for a lengthy period, it could be seen as going against the norm perhaps? Wink

In my opinion, based on his other acts of being an accessory after the fact in numerous cases ... Pell deserves to go to jail, not pass go and not receive $200.

The guy's a scumbag.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141785 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #411 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:24pm Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm: The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Still haven't seen any evidence of this.
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #412 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:24pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

mothra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:33am:

Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.

Yeah.

Not good.

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/yTyhaU6jBFNWPR_BznXpM_IyY24=/768x0/filters:no_ups...

yep , you too.

this is a political forum.

our politicians SHOULD be talking about

entrepreneurs
our awesome tourism prospects
our wonderful rural producers
our marvellous medical specialists
our innovative small business people

instead thanks to the ADDICTION to LOW VIBRATION ENERGY by people like yourself and the durr state people stuck in the toxic negativity, our politicians have to pander to chodes like you and the millions of other dweebs and losers and talk about

the state of the church
domestic violence
victims of banks
refugee crisis
bullying on social media
lgbtq issues
where the embassy is in israel.
which pollie is a pedophile and who left their wife and who bullied another pollie.
safe spaces

the country is going nowhere whilst our politicians PANDER to the GARBAGE that occupies your mind.
until you and those like you give up the addiction to your low vibration ruminating thought loops , the whole place will go into a tailspin. Cheesy

Oh, Malcolm Turnbull tried all that, dear. He was ousted by an Abbott-led set of virtue signallers. They like to talk about

The state of the church
Knighting Prince Phillip
Women doing the ironing

You know, that sort of thing.

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #413 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:24pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:15pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:09pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

On what basis?

I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice. Wink

So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?

But...on what basis did YOU say, "it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal?"

Because the courts often baffle us with weird technicalities. In this case, I have no idea what might come from the appeal.

I hope it fails.

In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38981 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #414 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:26pm Quote: In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag. That makes him guilty of these offences?
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #415 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:28pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:26pm:

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In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag.

That makes him guilty of these offences?

The conviction by a jury in the matter of 5 counts of sexual abuse. Wink

In addition, the way he covered up the numerous child abuse cases in the Ballarat region, and merely moved a priest around, rather than report him to Police.

He is, in my opinion, an accessory after the fact and hence: a ratbag.

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16142 Central Coast Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #416 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:28pm I wonder if Pell is suffering from Vitiligo? It would explain quite a lot.
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #417 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:37pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.

nemo I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

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Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.

his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??

questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad

Does anyone actually think the jury didnt think of and examine those questions.

Yes there are questions, the jury looked at them. They still found him guilty.

well yes to me it doesnt look as if they examined the same questions I am talking about...

like why were two boys missing for almost 10 min and no one noticed ...

what sort of plans did these boys make before they took off.....it couldnt have been a spur of the moment thing..

who else was in the Church! when the boys decided the moment was right for them to run off.... Roll Eyes

... the Archbishop walks down the aisle first... he leads out his congregation
he doesnt follow them....

would the Archbishop who didnt know two boys were scoffing off the sherry have gone to get changed alone??? even if he did...

would he have taken a huge risk like that knowing full well someone was coming to help him change??????

?????????????????

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Reply #418 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:38pm

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.

nemo I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

Quote:

Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.

his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??

questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad

Does anyone actually think the jury didnt think of and examine those questions.

Yes there are questions, the jury looked at them. They still found him guilty.

well yes to me it doesnt look as if they examined the same questions I am talking about...

like why were two boys missing for almost 10 min and no one noticed ...

what sort of plans did these boys make before they took off.....it couldnt have been a spur of the moment thing..

who else was in the Church! when the boys decided the moment was right for them to run off.... Roll Eyes

... the Archbishop walks down the aisle first... he leads out his congregation
he doesnt follow them....

would the Archbishop who didnt know two boys were scoffing off the sherry have gone to get changed alone??? even if he did...

would he have taken a huge risk like that knowing full well someone was coming to help him change??????

?????????????????

There were more than 60 people in the choir I think? ... easy for 2 not to be noticed nicking off after the end of the Mass.

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Reply #419 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:40pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

Spot

"kangaroo court" ?

The most senior judge, the best lawyers ... hardly a "kangaroo court". Roll Eyes

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