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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #390 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:06am

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.

nemo I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

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Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.

his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??

questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad

Does anyone actually think the jury didnt think of and examine those questions.

Yes there are questions, the jury looked at them. They still found him guilty.

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Reply #392 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:12am

American (and a bit old), but still relevant:

In a set of 271 cases from four areas, juries gave wrong verdicts in at least one out of eight cases, according to “Estimating the Accuracy of Jury Verdicts,” a paper by a Northwestern University statistician that is being published in the July issue of Journal of Empirical Legal Studies.

NEW STUDY SHOWS HOW OFTEN JURIES GET IT WRONG

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141785 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #393 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:13am Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:09am: Why did he return to Oz? Because the Pope ordered him to. One thing the Pope got right. What would have happened to him if he said no to the Pope?
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #394 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:51am

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:06am:

One possibility is complacency (a complacent person is very pleased with themselves or feels that they do not need to do anything about a situation, even though the situation may be uncertain or dangerous).

Hypothetical:

Why did he return to Australia?

Because he knew damn well he was innocent, and there was no way he could be wrongfully convicted based on the testimony of just one person.

Thus, he didn't put too much effort into organising his legal team.

Everyone would see that the charges were ridiculous, and therefore he wouldn't need the best lawyers in town to sort out this silly mess.
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I'm not saying that's how it went down, but it's a possibility.

A mixture of complacency and naivety, perhap

yes everything was/is paid for by donations...not sure whos in charge of the spending....maybe thats why he didnt want bail...innocent or guilty hes ruined and if he is innocent what sort of life will he have left....every move he makes will be watched and probably villifide....

if he is proved innocent what then for the MAN who has brought all this about... Sad

The presumption should be innocence. Should be.

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Reply #395 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:33pm

Clearly, there is no "god" operating here.

These men are not your average schmo Christians, they are the crème de la crème, the elite, the chosen "intermediaries" between god and man.

Clearly, the influence of a kindly god is totally absent. Clearly, the concept of a loving god is bullshit.

Oh, and for the "Bible barrackers" out there ... I'm pretty damn sure that John 13:35 does NOT refer to erotic love! Angry

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* Homosexual or otherwise.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141785 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #396 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:36pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:13am: Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:09am: Why did he return to Oz? Because the Pope ordered him to. One thing the Pope got right. What would have happened to him if he said no to the Pope? Captain?
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11551 Melbourne Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #397 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:38pm Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy. A long and involved process. * Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #398 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:44pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:38pm:

Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy.

A long and involved process.

* Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.

No.

The Pope doesn't have that power, and Pell was under no legal obligation to return to Australia.

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #399 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:44pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:38pm:

Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy.

A long and involved process.

* Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.

No.

The Pope doesn't have that power, and Pell was under no legal obligation to return to Australia.

The Pope is actually not averse to turfing out peadophile priests, he has defrocked them. That's one good thing about the Pope. Cool

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #400 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:59pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:44pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:38pm:

Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy.

A long and involved process.

* Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.

No.

The Pope doesn't have that power, and Pell was under no legal obligation to return to Australia.

The Pope is actually not averse to turfing out peadophile priests, he has defrocked them. That's one good thing about the Pope. Cool

Sure, but he can't send them back to Australia to face our courts.

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Reply #401 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 141785 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #402 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:06pm Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm: The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Do you have a link to something verifying this? I've searched, and I can't find anything to support your claim.
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Reply #403 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:08pm

They didn't need to proceed to extradite him because he chose to return.

The Vatican would have been a very difficult (if not impossible) nut to crack, but Pell actually lived outside of the Vatican.

Italy and Australia have a bilateral agreement on extradition (the Treaty on extradition signed in Milan on August 26, 1985 and entered into force in Italy with Law no. 12 of 1989). ... The extradition is allowed even for the offense of attempting to commit, or participation in the commission of an offense.

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #404 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:09pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:04pm:

The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse. Angry

On what basis?

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