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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11586 Melbourne Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #375 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am Isn't it shocking that child victims of sexual abuse take an average of 27 years to reach the point where they tell someone about it? All those years of internal shame and misery. The perpetrators are disgusting scum.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35811 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #376 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:33am Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy. Like, seriously sorry.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 141891 Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #377 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:56am mothra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:33am: Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy. Like, seriously sorry. Yeah. Not good.
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Reply #378 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:56am

Brendon wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:27am:

Re the 4 Corners doco on Pell. I found some of it a bit clipped. There was a choirboy who was older than the two boys, but he remembered them. He was adamant Pell was guilty - but we aren't told why.

Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.

The cardinal's defence used this alleged discrepancy to argue that the boys made up the story using the Catholic tradition of red wine.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6745617/The-ten-pieces-evidence-George-Pell-used-defence.html

There were also other victims on the doco saying they were victims of Pell, but looked like the whole story on them was not told.

Which is why I don't thin the whole red wine vs white wine debate matters. They were 13, they shouldnt know the differnece

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Reply #379 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:08am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

mothra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:33am:

Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.

Yeah.

Not good.

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It's just that he sneaks up on you.

That said, i should have known better. I got deep, he was online.

My bad.

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Reply #380 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:12am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:38am:

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:29am:

That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged

sorry didnt read the link will do so now...

It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'

So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.

what also strikes me..

is they talk about "boys" and what they have said.....

even the one that has now departed is quoted as claiming he was abused....and then later denied....

why wasnt this dealt with all those years ago?....

there appears to be a lot regarding what was said a long time ago ...where were the boys parents on this one? I havent read any comments they have alleged to have said......yet I am sure two 13 yr old boys would not have spoken up about this happening to them without an adult present...

who where the people they spoke too in the first instance?

the more I look, the more questions I have..

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Reply #381 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:15am

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:38am:

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:29am:

That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged

sorry didnt read the link will do so now...

It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'

So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.

what also strikes me..

is they talk about "boys" and what they have said.....

even the one that has now departed is quoted as claiming he was abused....and then later denied....

why wasnt this dealt with all those years ago?....

there appears to be a lot regarding what was said a long time ago ...where were the boys parents on this one? I havent read any comments they have alleged to have said......yet I am sure two 13 yr old boys would not have spoken up about this happening to them without an adult present...

who where the people they spoke too in the first instance?

the more I look, the more questions I have..

It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

Isn't it shocking that child victims of sexual abuse take an average of 27 years to reach the point where they tell someone about it?

All those years of internal shame and misery. Sad

The perpetrators are disgusting scum. Angry

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Reply #382 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:38am:

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:33am:

[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1551141652/370#370 date=1551821385]
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged

sorry didnt read the link will do so now...

It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'

So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.[/quote]

the more you dig the more confusing it gets....

I do hope he gets a second chance I am not convinced he had the best legal for his case....

my heart goes out to the person who was abused to all of them...it breaks my heart when I think of the childhood they never had....

but not all Catholic priest were paedophiles and I think this is where its all got blown out of the water...Pell is guilty for being a Catholic....and condemned now....

look at the blood lust on ozpol just for starters.... Roll Eyes

nothing will change their minds on this....I am prepared to say... some things just dont add up...therefore there is reasonable doubt...imo.

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Reply #383 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.

nemo I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

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Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.

his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??

questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad

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Reply #384 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:43am

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:37am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:15am:

It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.

nemo I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

Quote:

Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.

his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??

questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad

WAY too many.

Such as: why would a guilty man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

I can't think of a reasonable answer to that question.

How about: why would an innocent man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

Possible answer: to clear his name.

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Reply #385 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:43am:

questions questions...too many of them in my case.

WAY too many.

Such as: why would a guilty man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

I can't think of a reasonable answer to that question.

How about: why would an innocent man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

Possible answer: to clear his name.

not sure he had the best defence...

if we are seeing huge problems surely the legals will as well...

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Reply #387 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:06am

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:43am:

questions questions...too many of them in my case.

WAY too many.

Such as: why would a guilty man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

I can't think of a reasonable answer to that question.

How about: why would an innocent man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

Possible answer: to clear his name.

not sure he had the best defence...

if we are seeing huge problems surely the legals will as well...

One possibility is complacency (a complacent person is very pleased with themselves or feels that they do not need to do anything about a situation, even though the situation may be uncertain or dangerous).

Hypothetical:

Why did he return to Australia?

Because he knew damn well he was innocent, and there was no way he could be wrongfully convicted based on the testimony of just one person.

Thus, he didn't put too much effort into organising his legal team.

Everyone would see that the charges were ridiculous, and therefore he wouldn't need the best lawyers in town to sort out this silly mess.
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I'm not saying that's how it went down, but it's a possibility.

A mixture of complacency and naivety, perhaps.

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Reply #388 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:37am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:06am:

One possibility is complacency (a complacent person is very pleased with themselves or feels that they do not need to do anything about a situation, even though the situation may be uncertain or dangerous).

Hypothetical:

Why did he return to Australia?

Because he knew damn well he was innocent, and there was no way he could be wrongfully convicted based on the testimony of just one person.

Thus, he didn't put too much effort into organising his legal team.

Everyone would see that the charges were ridiculous, and therefore he wouldn't need the best lawyers in town to sort out this silly mess.
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I'm not saying that's how it went down, but it's a possibility.

A mixture of complacency and naivety, perhap

yes everything was/is paid for by donations...not sure whos in charge of the spending....maybe thats why he didnt want bail...innocent or guilty hes ruined and if he is innocent what sort of life will he have left....every move he makes will be watched and probably villifide....

if he is proved innocent what then for the MAN who has brought all this about... Sad

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Reply #389 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

mothra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:33am:

Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.

Yeah.

Not good.

https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/yTyhaU6jBFNWPR_BznXpM_IyY24=/768x0/filters:no_ups...

yep , you too.

this is a political forum.

our politicians SHOULD be talking about

entrepreneurs
our awesome tourism prospects
our wonderful rural producers
our marvellous medical specialists
our innovative small business people

instead thanks to the ADDICTION to LOW VIBRATION ENERGY by people like yourself and the durr state people stuck in the toxic negativity, our politicians have to pander to chodes like you and the millions of other dweebs and losers and talk about

the state of the church
domestic violence
victims of banks
refugee crisis
bullying on social media
lgbtq issues
where the embassy is in israel.
which pollie is a pedophile and who left their wife and who bullied another pollie.
safe spaces

the country is going nowhere whilst our politicians PANDER to the GARBAGE that occupies your mind.
until you and those like you give up the addiction to your low vibration ruminating thought loops , the whole place will go into a tailspin. Cheesy

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