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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #360 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:31am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:30am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:03am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:57am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?


What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.



No. It just show guilt.

It's just one person's word against another.

Pell didn't take the stand. So that's not right.
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Reply #361 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:36am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:20am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:18am:
The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site.
I'm confident they think it could be done.
Another argument from incredulity.



That's the first time I heard that.


"The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged."



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Reply #362 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:40am
 
If the court of appeal finds Pell guilty there will still be people finding it incredulous...regardless he is certainly guilty of being a non progressive neo liberal climate change denying bum....only the neo liberal RW support Pell, that being Abbott , Howard and Bolt et al.
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Reply #363 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:16am
 
[quote author=wolftoke link=1551141652/362#362 date=1551818427]If the court of appeal finds Pell guilty there will still be people finding it incredulous...regardless he is certainly guilty of being a non progressive neo liberal climate change denying bum....only the neo liberal RW support Pell, that being Abbott , Howard and Bolt et al.




there isnt much more that can be done to damage this man.....he will always pay the HIGHEST PRICE FOR THE SINS OF THE CHURCH...

he has lost everything....nothing he says will ever change YOUR mind.....

and he is well aware of that...

some wont be happy until they have hunted him into his grave..

along with all those who supported his innocence


it is just a fact of life.... Sad Sad 
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Reply #364 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:18am
 
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Reply #365 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:18am
 
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Reply #366 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:19am
 
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Reply #367 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:24am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:20am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:18am:
The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site.
I'm confident they think it could be done.
Another argument from incredulity.



That's the first time I heard that.


"The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged."




so where is bojack getting his information from???


to tell us something like that! that would have had to have been acted out in the court room......

he must have got it from a source he relies on.. Angry Angry


come on bojack enlighten us..
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Reply #368 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:25am
 
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Reply #369 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:28am
 
All i know, amidst all this awfulness, is that i don't know

But there is one thing i do know . the blood lust for this man makes me ashamed to be human. Even from within inner circles of mine.

I'm horrified at how quickly and readily people hate.

What's more, i simply don;t understand it. It's a complete syntax error for me.

I see it over and over again on this forum ... different targets but the same blood lust. The same hatred.

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would resort to that way of thinking.

it's abhorrent, destructive and harmful, sure ...  but more to the point, it's so utterly useless.

Absolutely pointless.



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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.
 
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Reply #370 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:20am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:18am:
The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site.
I'm confident they think it could be done.
Another argument from incredulity.



That's the first time I heard that.


"The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged."




so where is bojack getting his information from???


to tell us something like that! that would have had to have been acted out in the court room......

he must have got it from a source he relies on.. Angry Angry


come on bojack enlighten us..


That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.
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Reply #371 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:33am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am:
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged



sorry didnt read the link will do so now...
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Reply #372 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:38am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:33am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am:
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged



sorry didnt read the link will do so now...


It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'


So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.
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Reply #373 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:46am
 
I don't know how useful it is to get caught up on vestments being pulled aside or not. You're talking about the rememberings of a child from many years ago.

Lifted up then pulled aside maybe?

I know i have watched many a priest pull on their vestments. They're all fully dressed underneath and the underlying white vestment is a coverall frock.

I'm just saying, strict recollection is not a reliable testimony in decades old cases. Pulled aside could mean a whole bunch of things.
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Reply #374 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:18am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:28am:
All i know, amidst all this awfulness, is that i don't know

But there is one thing i do know . the blood lust for this man makes me ashamed to be human. Even from within inner circles of mine.

I'm horrified at how quickly and readily people hate.

What's more, i simply don;t understand it. It's a complete syntax error for me.

I see it over and over again on this forum ... different targets but the same blood lust. The same hatred.

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would resort to that way of thinking.

it's abhorrent, destructive and harmful, sure ...  but more to the point, it's so utterly useless.

Absolutely pointless.






low vibration energy.

humans are driven by high vibration (getting a pay off for a risk and being succesful).
an example would be taking down a mammoth and feeling awesome praise from the tribe.


but we are ALWAYS more driven by low vibration ( being anxious and scared of the tiger and feeling fear and anxiety).

because there is ALWAYS another mammoth, so success can be delayed.
but one attack from the tiger and its done.

so people are more motivated by their negative neurology then their positive neurology.

they "vibe" with that.

negative neurology is about fear, hate, anger, shame, gossip, anxiety, apathy, petty BS, victimhood,

thats where most people live.

when they were a kid they had a dream ( a positive motivation ) but the cultural hypnosis put them into fear and anger and inertia.
consequently their dream got shattered and now all they can do is try to "cope"
just try to "cope" with this harsh world.

most people live in this coping mentality.

when i walk down the street, most people look like they have had their faces ground into the dirt. they look "miserable".

there is a better way.

you can get bitter or you can get better.

but most people are stuck in coping and bitterness and this is encouraged by a system which has to pander to the masses.

which plays out better as a message from a politician.

1  youve had it tough but being a victim is not helping you and you need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps

2  you are a victim and we are going to have a royal commision into this negative horrible stuff, so the mainstream media can feed you more negative horrible stuff because negative horrible stuff is what you have addicted yourself to.

which message makes the masses uncomfortable and which message plays into the mainstream narrative.

and the more the mainstream pander to the masses, the lower the masses go.

coping
alcohol and drugs
porn
victimhood
gossip
self pity
drama
shame
depression
apathy.

its a rare person that can "get out"  Wink
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