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Reply #345 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Some more. YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell. Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"

How does he take a piss?
There must be some way to move his robes aside.

Lift it up, like a lady's dress?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #346 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Some more. YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell. Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"

How does he take a piss?
There must be some way to move his robes aside.

Lift it up, like a lady's dress?

Yes, but that is NOT what the complainant alleged. His allegation was that Pell pulled his robes aside. That is rubbish. Pell was wearing a full external Robe..an alb, and (I dunno) maybe another layer before anyone could get to the pants, underpants to the Old Boy.

You cannot pull these 'aside.'

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #347 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:19pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Yes, but that is NOT what the complainant alleged. His allegation was that Pell pulled his robes aside. That is rubbish. Pell was wearing a full external Robe..an alb, and (I dunno) maybe another layer before anyone could get to the pants, underpants to the Old Boy.

You cannot pull these 'aside.'

Indeed.

So many things just don't add up in this case.

Will we ever learn the truth?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #349 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:01pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?

Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109257 Melbourne Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #351 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 10:24pm It's time that the Catholic church is closed down in Australia. It's a criminal organisation. I feel sorry for the many wonderful people - the believers in it - that have been deceived.
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #352 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 10:27pm

Brendon wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?

Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.

a very good question..

I have never thought of this before..

but if as Pell claims none of this is true..

how can you defend it? what can he possibly say..

he has already pleaded not guilty he has made a statement denying everything to the police...

what else can he say...every question would be answered NO...

there are many unanswered questions but I dont think they are for Pell.

witness testimony is over 20 years old in this instance.....I wonder what else they can recall happened in that years... Roll Eyes

.. what hymns did the choir sing...... well its just a thought.

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #353 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:57am

Brendon wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?

Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.

Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #354 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:03am

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:57am:

Brendon wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?

Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.

Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?

What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.

It's up to the jury to weigh the credibility of the witness. If they find his first hand evidence credible, it would be hard not to say Pell was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Obviously they found him a credible witness. Now, thinking about that, if you were on the jury and you found him to be a credible witness, and therefore you would believe his first hand account - would you find Pell guilty?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #355 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:18am

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Some more. YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell. Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"

How does he take a piss?
There must be some way to move his robes aside.

Lift it up, like a lady's dress?

Yes, but that is NOT what the complainant alleged. His allegation was that Pell pulled his robes aside. That is rubbish. Pell was wearing a full external Robe..an alb, and (I dunno) maybe another layer before anyone could get to the pants, underpants to the Old Boy.

You cannot pull these 'aside.'

Link.

The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site. I'm confident they think it could be done. Another argument from incredulity.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109257 Melbourne Gender:	Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Reply #356 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:20am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:18am: The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site. I'm confident they think it could be done. Another argument from incredulity. That's the first time I heard that.
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #357 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:27am

Re the 4 Corners doco on Pell. I found some of it a bit clipped. There was a choirboy who was older than the two boys, but he remembered them. He was adamant Pell was guilty - but we aren't told why.

Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.

The cardinal's defence used this alleged discrepancy to argue that the boys made up the story using the Catholic tradition of red wine.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6745617/The-ten-pieces-evidence-George-Pell-used-defence.html

There were also other victims on the doco saying they were victims of Pell, but looked like the whole story on them was not told.

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #358 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:29am

cods wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 10:27pm:

Brendon wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?

Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.

a very good question..

I have never thought of this before..

but if as Pell claims none of this is true..

how can you defend it? what can he possibly say..

he has already pleaded not guilty he has made a statement denying everything to the police...

what else can he say...every question would be answered NO...

there are many unanswered questions but I dont think they are for Pell.

witness testimony is over 20 years old in this instance.....I wonder what else they can recall happened in that years... Roll Eyes

.. what hymns did the choir sing...... well its just a thought.

The court did not hear a denial from Pell's lips. Of course if they did, they would have heard the cross examination too.

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #359 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:30am

Brendon wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:03am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:57am:

Brendon wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:59pm:

I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?

Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.

Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?

What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.

No. It doesn't show guilt.

It's just one person's word against another.

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