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Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO
Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:16pm

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A proposal from Kevin Rudd to address the impacts of climate change on the Pacific has been labelled as "imperial thinking" by Tuvalu's leader, who lambasted the former prime minister's suggestion to swap Australian citizenship for maritime resources.
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Kevin Rudd's proposed arrangement would require the Pacific countries to give up their sovereignty
It would also require a rewriting of their constitutions, as well as Australia's constitution
Tuvalu's Prime Minister says his country "will not be subjugated" under a "colonial mentor"

Mr Rudd wrote in a recent essay that Australia should offer citizenship to residents of the small Pacific nations of Tuvalu, Kiribati and Nauru in exchange for control of their seas, Exclusive Economic Zones, and fisheries.

"Under this arrangement, Australia would also become responsible for the relocation over time of the exposed populations of these countries [totalling less than 75,000 people altogether] to Australia where they would enjoy the full rights of Australian citizens," Mr Rudd wrote.

But the idea — which in essence would see the countries give up their sovereignty — has been strongly criticised by Tuvalu's Prime Minister Enele Sopoaga, who warned it amounts to a form of neo-colonialism.

Quite apart from which if they were to accept the deal they would become Australian citizen's. There would be no access to climate reparations.

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BigP Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1924 West Auckland Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #1 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:31pm Sounds like the best deal in town Lee, It would only be the pollies that would lose out
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #2 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:35pm BigP wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:31pm: Sounds like the best deal in town Lee, It would only be the pollies that would lose out wait until the water is up to their mattresses, then make them the same offer. I suspect they might jump on it then.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21530 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #3 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:43pm John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:35pm: wait until the water is up to their mattresses, then make them the same offer. You are one of those that believes coral atolls don't grow? You denier you.
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Reply #4 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:44pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:35pm:

BigP wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:31pm:

Sounds like the best deal in town Lee, It would only be the pollies that would lose out

wait until the water is up to their mattresses, then make them the same offer. I suspect they might jump on it then. Cheesy

Send them a container full of lilos and tell them to get f@arked Cry

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #5 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:45pm lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:43pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:35pm: wait until the water is up to their mattresses, then make them the same offer. You are one of those that believes coral atolls don't grow? You denier you. have you been stealing your neighbours pot again?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21530 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #6 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:54pm John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:45pm: have you been stealing your neighbours pot again? And that's supposed to be a rebuttal?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 58020 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #7 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:13pm Aren't those nations in the Oceanic 'region'? Let the other Oceanic nations look after them or are they so pathetic like Costa Rica that they need to sponge of us as well. Build a Wall and keep the useless Zombies out!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21530 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #8 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:17pm Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:13pm: Aren't those nations in the Oceanic 'region'? Oceania - which includes Australia.
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Reply #9 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:24pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:35pm:

BigP wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:31pm:

Sounds like the best deal in town Lee, It would only be the pollies that would lose out

wait until the water is up to their mattresses, then make them the same offer. I suspect they might jump on it then. Cheesy

You really should piss off back to Monkey Mania.

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Is the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu growing, and not sinking, as Craig Kelly says?

The claim
Liberal MP and climate sceptic Craig Kelly made headlines in November when he was caught on tape mocking "lefties" for exaggerating the effects of climate change.
"The science tells us that Tuvalu, which I often hear about, is actually growing not sinking," he told colleagues.

The verdict
Mr Kelly's claim checks out.
In the four decades to 2014, Tuvalu's total land area grew by 73 hectares, or 2.9 per cent.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-gr...

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Reply #10 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:59pm

lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:17pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:13pm:

Aren't those nations in the Oceanic 'region'?

Oceania - which includes Australia.

Sorry - but NO

Australia is in the Sahul Region: Australia, PNG, Micronesia, E-Timor and Indonesia 'east' of the Wallace Line, Solomon Islands.

Oceania: New Zealand, Pacific Islands (Hawaii too), Central America, Caribbean Islands.

Australasia (South Asia) is Indonesia to be 'exact'.

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Reply #11 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 7:20pm

"Oceania has a diverse mix of economies from the highly developed and globally competitive financial markets of Australia and New Zealand, which rank high in quality of life and human development index,[5][6] to the much less developed economies that belong to countries such as Kiribati and Tuvalu,[7] while also including medium-sized economies of Pacific islands such as Palau, Fiji and Tonga.[8] The largest and most populous country in Oceania is Australia, with Sydney being the largest city of both Oceania and Australia.[9]"

Source : wiki

"Oceania is a geographic region, which consists of Australia and the three main Pacific island groups (Micronesia, Melanesia, and Polynesia). Most of the islands of the Pacific Ocean lie in this region."

https://www.quora.com/If-Australia-is-a-continent-then-what-is-Oceania

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Reply #12 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 8:30pm

lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:45pm:

have you been stealing your neighbours pot again?

And that's supposed to be a rebuttal? Grin

no, it was a question. Have you yes or no?

If you have then your comment may be somewhat excused. If you haven't, then you're an even bigger moron than I gave you credit for.

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Reply #13 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 8:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:35pm:

BigP wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 4:31pm:

Sounds like the best deal in town Lee, It would only be the pollies that would lose out

wait until the water is up to their mattresses, then make them the same offer. I suspect they might jump on it then. Cheesy

You really should piss off back to Monkey Mania.

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Is the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu growing, and not sinking, as Craig Kelly says?

The claim
Liberal MP and climate sceptic Craig Kelly made headlines in November when he was caught on tape mocking "lefties" for exaggerating the effects of climate change.
"The science tells us that Tuvalu, which I often hear about, is actually growing not sinking," he told colleagues.

The verdict
Mr Kelly's claim checks out.
In the four decades to 2014, Tuvalu's total land area grew by 73 hectares, or 2.9 per cent.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-gr...

what has that to do with anything you moron?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21530 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #14 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 9:26pm John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 8:31pm: what has that to do with anything you moron? Tuvalu is not drownbing (sic). It is growing despite this postulated sea level rise. Never let science get in the way of a good scare story.
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Spatchcock Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 480 Gender:	Re: Kevin Rudd - Tuvalu says NO Reply #15 - Mar 7^th, 2019 at 1:38pm Didn't Kevin Rudd become anti Australian and pro Chinese and move to America after Turnbull and Julie Bishop refused to nominate him to the UN? So how is anything he says valid and not tainted with malice?
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