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Jan 4^th, 2019 at 2:40pm

It seems there are very few people willing to defend Islam these days. Those who do end up spending most of their time arguing that they are not actually defending Islam.

Here we have a thread choc full of Brian and Greg using misleading statistics to defend Islamic terrorism, while insisting they are not defending Islamic terrorism, just "stating facts".

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1539592672

And here we have a "tickleandrose" defending Islam while pretending not to defend Islam:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 4:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2019 at 4:04pm:

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Excuses for what? What happened happened. It was during those times, where war pillage rape child brides were common. THAT is human history.

Earth to rose: it is still happening today, thanks to Islam, and all those who spinelessly apologise for it.

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Our ancestors at that time is no different.

They were different, even at that time.

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Freediver, there is no use to make excuses.

Yet that is all you do. Why?

Freediver, you seemed to be very fixated that anyone who disagree with you is an apologist. I am not one of the apologist. I am just tell it as it is. And you are right, the same thing is happening in the world right now, and there is alot more work to be done. But, blaming it on someone who lived in 6th century AD, is not going to make any difference at all.

And when you mention that our ancestor at the time is no different. I would have to disagree. Read up on the 1st crusade, and in particular, the people's crusade, and the prince's crusade. And you can make up the judgement yourself.

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 9:18am:

I am not defending Mohammad or Islam. I am just telling it as it is, we are talking about historic issues.

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 11:36am:

Defending what? This is ridiculous. Just because you keep repeating of what you think I am doing does not make it true.

I was putting forward and debating about historic occurrences. Nothing in my post, I seek to defend the atrocities of the Islamic extremist. In fact i criticized that through out history, women and children were subjugated, and treated like commodities by nearly all cultures. I also pointed out, that perhaps, there are not enough historic (and debated) evidence, and as well in terms of historic context to suggest that Mohammad was infact a true pedophile.

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Reply #1 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:23pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

Here we have a thread choc full of Brian and Greg using misleading statistics

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, telling lies again, FD? Really? How unbecoming of you. How about you answer the questions I have asked in that thread and which you have continually run away from? Anybody would think you're a coward, the way you're refusing to answer my questions and creating new threads all over the place. As the great Bard said, "Cowards die many times before their deaths." Keep running, FD, it won't save you... Roll Eyes

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Reply #2 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 6:13pm

qur'an 33.21: Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.

muhammad is touted as the best example for mankind, the qur'an is considered the perfect unchangeable words of allah.

The problem is that by todays standards muhammad is a thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer, yet he is accepted by muslims as the best example for mankind.

muslims are the worlds terrorists, worlds refugees, tens of thousands of their children are dying from starvation, they are still copying a 7th century piece of human filth as their preferred lifestyle role model.

So muslims are exactly where they are because of their religious beliefs.

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Reply #3 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

Here we have a thread choc full of Brian and Greg using misleading statistics

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, telling lies again, FD? Really? How unbecoming of you. How about you answer the questions I have asked in that thread and which you have continually run away from? Anybody would think you're a coward, the way you're refusing to answer my questions and creating new threads all over the place. As the great Bard said, "Cowards die many times before their deaths." Keep running, FD, it won't save you... Roll Eyes

What's the question, dickheaddle?

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Reply #4 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 7:52pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

Here we have a thread choc full of Brian and Greg using misleading statistics

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, telling lies again, FD? Really? How unbecoming of you. How about you answer the questions I have asked in that thread and which you have continually run away from? Anybody would think you're a coward, the way you're refusing to answer my questions and creating new threads all over the place. As the great Bard said, "Cowards die many times before their deaths." Keep running, FD, it won't save you... Roll Eyes

What's the question, dickheaddle?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. Resorting to ad hominem insults again? Tsk, tsk. I provided a link here did you miss it? Really? Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 8:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 7:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

Here we have a thread choc full of Brian and Greg using misleading statistics

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, telling lies again, FD? Really? How unbecoming of you. How about you answer the questions I have asked in that thread and which you have continually run away from? Anybody would think you're a coward, the way you're refusing to answer my questions and creating new threads all over the place. As the great Bard said, "Cowards die many times before their deaths." Keep running, FD, it won't save you... Roll Eyes

What's the question, dickheaddle?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. Resorting to ad hominem insults again? Tsk, tsk. I provided a link here did you miss it? Really? Roll Eyes

Where's the question, dickheaddle?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1539592672;virboard=;quot...

Nobody said - other than you dicks - that the Europol report misrepresented anything. YOU dickheaddles misrepresented the Europl report by taking the 84/16 % numbers out of context, ignoring the report's unequivocal and strong identification of Islamic jihad as the main and most serious terrorist threat.

You are an idiotic, dishonest/stupid cockwomble, Bwian, and so is your son the pettyfogging shite-spreader, the Turd.

You are both denser and thicker than smacking treacle cement.

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Reply #6 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 10:08pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 8:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 7:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 4:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

Here we have a thread choc full of Brian and Greg using misleading statistics

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, telling lies again, FD? Really? How unbecoming of you. How about you answer the questions I have asked in that thread and which you have continually run away from? Anybody would think you're a coward, the way you're refusing to answer my questions and creating new threads all over the place. As the great Bard said, "Cowards die many times before their deaths." Keep running, FD, it won't save you... Roll Eyes

What's the question, dickheaddle?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. Resorting to ad hominem insults again? Tsk, tsk. I provided a link here did you miss it? Really? Roll Eyes

Where's the question, dickheaddle?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1539592672;virboard=;quot...

Nobody said - other than you dicks - that the Europol report misrepresented anything.

Really? I think it was FD who ran the line that Greg was "misleading" people with invalid statistics first, Soren. Perhaps you need to reread the thread?

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YOU dickheaddles misrepresented the Europl report by taking the 84/16 % numbers out of context, ignoring the report's unequivocal and strong identification of Islamic jihad as the main and most serious terrorist threat.

Me? I misread nothing. I merely pointed out the difference between what Greg was saying and what you were claiming, Soren. Time I think you should reread what was said by whom in the thread... Roll Eyes

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You are an idiotic, dishonest/stupid cockwomble, Bwian, and so is your son the pettyfogging shite-spreader, the Turd.

You are both denser and thicker than smacking treacle cement.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. resorting to ad hominem argument again, Soren? Tsk, tsk, so childish. You really should trot along back to your little kiddies' playground, OK? I can hear your little friends calling you back to play with them. They miss you. Roll Eyes

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: not defending islam Reply #7 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 10:14pm Good point, FD. I wouldn't defend Islam - horrible people. I'd much rather defend decent white people. Do you have a list of names? You don't have to tell silly old Karnal, put it in a reply to Brian. You've got some great statistics here, make sure Brian answers you, okay?
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Reply #8 - Jan 4^th, 2019 at 10:21pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

It seems there are very few people willing to defend Islam these days.

FD,

Frankly i'm more interested in why......

Though ISLAMIC culture [their community], has a very high public cultural profile in Australia,

very few people NOBODY at the Australian ABC news network,
and NOBODY at the Australian SBS news network,
seem to be willing to either;

1/ 'interrogate' the vile and violent ISLAMIC religious culture,
(a) which can be found within the Koran [a text which is full of encouraging hatred and enmity towards those who are NOT moslems],
(b) Allah's demands, of all of his worshippers, that every moslem harbour a deep hatred, towards those who reject ISLAM and are NOT moslems,
(c) that Mohammed [being the personage known to the followers of ISLAM, as 'the Messenger of Allah'],
is he, who also promoted the hatred a deep hatred towards everyone who rejects ISLAM and are NOT moslem.

2/ nor, are ABC news network, or the SBS news network, willing to publicly interrogate a single moslem in Australia,
and demand that followers of ISLAM, must explain this vile hatred of non-moslems, which exudes from every pore of ISLAMIC culture.

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #9 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 5:07am

Yadda wrote on Jan 4^th, 2019 at 10:21pm:

.....NOBODY at the Australian ABC news network,
and NOBODY at the Australian SBS news network,
seem to be willing to either;

1/ 'interrogate' the vile and violent ISLAMIC religious culture,
(a) which can be found within the Koran [a text which is full of encouraging hatred and enmity towards those who are NOT moslems],
(b) Allah's demands, of all of his worshippers, that every moslem harbour a deep hatred, towards those who reject ISLAM and are NOT moslems,
(c) that Mohammed [being the personage known to the followers of ISLAM, as 'the Messenger of Allah'],
is he, who also promoted a deep hatred towards everyone who rejects ISLAM and are NOT moslem.

2/ nor, are ABC news network, or the SBS news network, willing to publicly interrogate a single moslem in Australia,
and demand that followers of ISLAM, must explain this vile hatred of non-moslems, which exudes from every pore of ISLAMIC culture.

Typical examples [below] of the narrative describing cultural ISLAM, coming from the followers of ISLAM in Australia,
which two publicly funded national broadcasters in Australia, are unwilling to 'interrogate' or challenge.

Dictionary;
interrogate = = ask questions of (someone) closely, aggressively, or formally.

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EXAMPLE #1,

"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

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EXAMPLE #2,

IMAGE.....

Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

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"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

ARGUMENT;
NOBODY at the Australian ABC news network,
and NOBODY at the Australian SBS news network [both publicly funded national broadcasters in Australia],
seem to be willing to 'interrogate' or to challenge the false narrative [describing cultural ISLAM], coming from the followers of ISLAM in Australia.

QUESTION;

Why should any Australian silently accept that situation ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #11 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 10:26am

issuevoter wrote on Jan 5^th, 2019 at 6:50am:

Defend this apologists for Islam:

https://i.imgur.com/sZf4dVD.png

WE ARE INSTRUCTED AND INFORMED...

The followers of ISLAM don't miss an opportunity do they, wherever they can,
to co-opt equipment built for another purpose,
to be used to cruelly kill their enemies Allah's enemies ?

In this case, the use of children's innocent playground swings, and their hanging down chains.

Dictionary;
co-opt = =
1 appoint to membership of a committee or other body by invitation of the existing members.
2 divert to a role different from the usual or original one.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #12 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 10:32am

It isn't Islam to be opposed but terrorism in all its forms.

Radical Islam support Terrorism and terrorists. The vast majority of Islam oppose this and are on our side.

The people who persecute the many Muslim people who are innocent and want to be on our side in reality are only helping the terrorists and their recruitment.

Many of the anti Islam posts and attitude we see here ultimately only serves as support for the terrorists.

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Reply #13 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 10:40am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2019 at 10:32am:

It isn't Islam to be opposed but terrorism in all its forms.

Radical Islam support Terrorism and terrorists. The vast majority of Islam oppose this and are on our side.

The people who persecute the many Muslim people who are innocent and want to be on our side in reality are only helping the terrorists and their recruitment.

Many of the anti Islam posts and attitude we see here ultimately only serves as support for the terrorists.

Please don't WANK YOURSELF OFF, here, in public.

Its not polite to do that, here in Australia.

Dnarever,

You are a lying, deceitful, .....whatever.

Just sayin.

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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

And mainstream ISLAM [ISLAMIC law], makes lawful, the murder of those who reject ISLAM.

Its a different culture, innit.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0

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Reply #14 - Jan 5^th, 2019 at 11:37am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2019 at 10:32am:

It isn't Islam to be opposed but terrorism in all its forms.

Radical Islam support Terrorism and terrorists. The vast majority of Islam oppose this and are on our side.

The people who persecute the many Muslim people who are innocent and want to be on our side in reality are only helping the terrorists and their recruitment.

Many of the anti Islam posts and attitude we see here ultimately only serves as support for the terrorists.

Was Muhammad a radical Islamist?

When you say the vast majority of Muslims are on our side, what do you mean?

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