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Dec 5th, 2018 at 5:35am
 
https://electrek.co/2018/12/03/tesla-virtual-power-plant-powerwall-australia/
Tesla’s plan to deploy 50,000 Powerwalls in Australia in order to create a giant virtual power plant is moving forward with 1,000 more homes as part of the second phase.

The project is the biggest of its kind and it would dwarf any other stationary energy storage deployment if it is ever completed.
It came around after Elon Musk visited South Australia following the launch of its giant battery system in the state.
Musk gave an interview during which he was informed of the significant hardship that Australia’s high electricity prices are putting on families.
Visibly affected by the issue, Musk vowed that Tesla would “work harder” to help solve the problem.
A few months later, Tesla announced that it reached a deal with the South Australian government to install solar arrays and Powerwalls on up to 50,000 homes.
The deal was jeopardized after a new government was elected in the state a few weeks later, but they have since come around and confirmed that they will be moving forward with Tesla’s initiative as long as it is financed successfully.
In July, Tesla deployed the first 100 Powerwalls with solar for the new virtual power plant and focus on reducing the cost of electricity for low-income households.
It is already having a great impact for the families. Local news featured a public housing tenant in Adelaide who was spending over $500 every quarter for electricity and she has now seen her bill reduced to $175 since the installation of the system.
Now the government announced that they are moving forward with the “second phase”, which includes 1,000 homes.
Minister van Holst Pellekaan said:
“The VPP will deliver cheaper electricity to some of South Australia’s most disadvantaged households whilst increasing the reliability of the state’s electricity network,”
They have also announced Energy Locals as a new retail partner in the project to help Tesla and the government deploy the systems.
The 1,000 homes that will be part of the second phase of the VPP still need to be SA Housing Trust properties to facilitate the direct impact for low-income families.
With the upcoming third phase, they say that they will open up the process to other South Australian households.

That will be 1100 low income families wont be paying through the roof for electricity.... Good to see Wink
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Reply #1 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 4:01pm
 
But what if anthropogenic global warming is a lie and we make the world a better place for nothing?
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Reply #2 - Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:16pm
 
Robot wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
But what if anthropogenic global warming is a lie and we make the world a better place for nothing?



What is the cost?

What if the proposed batteries are a gigantic fail and that only becomes truly apparent after all the fossil fuelled generators are mothballed?

Then of course that only leaves a touch over 700,000 households with no backup. Wink
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Reply #3 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 4:53pm
 
Robot wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
But what if anthropogenic global warming is a lie and we make the world a better place for nothing?

What if it's not! we all die, do you gamble son?
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Reply #4 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 5:18pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 4:53pm:
What if it's not! we all die, do you gamble son?



So, the story so far, we have warmed by about 1C since after the industrial revolution, apparently. Though the data is sparse until after 1950 especially in the Southern Hemisphere. And with no remarkable adverse effects so far. But it is that extra 0.5C that is gunna do it? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Apart from that we are all gunna die. We are not immortal. As a species those that don't adapt also die.
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Reply #5 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 5:21pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 4:53pm:
What if it's not! we all die, do you gamble son?



So, the story so far, we have warmed by about 1C since after the industrial revolution, apparently. Though the data is sparse until after 1950 especially in the Southern Hemisphere. And with no remarkable adverse effects so far. But it is that extra 0.5C that is gunna do it? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Apart from that we are all gunna die. We are not immortal. As a species those that don't adapt also die.


Evidently, denizen lee thinks that blather and ignorance are protection against climate change.
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Reply #6 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 5:38pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 5:21pm:
Evidently, denizen lee thinks that blather and ignorance are protection against climate change.



Demonstrably not true. The climate has always changed. Changes of climate have caused species extinction where they could not adapt. Wink
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Reply #7 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 8:47pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 4:53pm:
What if it's not! we all die, do you gamble son?



So, the story so far, we have warmed by about 1C since after the industrial revolution, apparently. Though the data is sparse until after 1950 especially in the Southern Hemisphere. And with no remarkable adverse effects so far. But it is that extra 0.5C that is gunna do it? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Apart from that we are all gunna die. We are not immortal. As a species those that don't adapt also die.

This one is pretty damning wouldn't you say Lee.
I fail to see how ice core samples can lie.
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Reply #8 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:04pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 5:35am:
https://electrek.co/2018/12/03/tesla-virtual-power-plant-powerwa
ll-australia/
Tesla’s plan to deploy 50,000 Powerwalls in Australia in order to create a giant virtual power plant is moving forward with 1,000 more homes as part of the second phase.

The project is the biggest of its kind and it would dwarf any other stationary energy storage deployment if it is ever completed.
It came around after Elon Musk visited South Australia following the launch of its giant battery system in the state.
Musk gave an interview during which he was informed of the significant hardship that Australia’s high electricity prices are putting on families.
Visibly affected by the issue, Musk vowed that Tesla would “work harder” to help solve the problem.
A few months later, Tesla announced that it reached a deal with the South Australian government to install solar arrays and Powerwalls on up to 50,000 homes.
The deal was jeopardized after a new government was elected in the state a few weeks later, but they have since come around and confirmed that they will be moving forward with Tesla’s initiative as long as it is financed successfully.
In July, Tesla deployed the first 100 Powerwalls with solar for the new virtual power plant and focus on reducing the cost of electricity for low-income households.
It is already having a great impact for the families. Local news featured a public housing tenant in Adelaide who was spending over $500 every quarter for electricity and she has now seen her bill reduced to $175 since the installation of the system.
Now the government announced that they are moving forward with the “second phase”, which includes 1,000 homes.
Minister van Holst Pellekaan said:
“The VPP will deliver cheaper electricity to some of South Australia’s most disadvantaged households whilst increasing the reliability of the state’s electricity network,”
They have also announced Energy Locals as a new retail partner in the project to help Tesla and the government deploy the systems.
The 1,000 homes that will be part of the second phase of the VPP still need to be SA Housing Trust properties to facilitate the direct impact for low-income families.
With the upcoming third phase, they say that they will open up the process to other South Australian households.

That will be 1100 low income families wont be paying through the roof for electricity.... Good to see Wink

Elon Musk is a wanker and is making mebabux from SA, the batteries are unproven and at best only benefit a few in certain situations.
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Reply #9 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:10pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 8:47pm:
This one is pretty damning wouldn't you say Lee.
I fail to see how ice core samples can lie.



You obviously didn't read the scientific papers I posted. But that is not unusual.

You just fail to see any science. So tell us what type of smoothing they used in compressing 400,000 years into 6 inches? How much data was lost?

You know the problem with CO2 and firn?

"We estimate the permeation coefficient for CO2 in ice is ∼4 × 10−21 mol m−1 s−1 Pa−1 at −23°C in the top 287 m (corresponding to 2.74 kyr). Smoothing of the CO2 record by diffusion at this depth/age is one or two orders of magnitude smaller than the smoothing in the firn. However, simulations for depths of ∼930–950 m (∼60–70 kyr) indicate that smoothing of the CO2 record by diffusion in deep ice is comparable to smoothing in the firn. Other types of diffusion (e.g. via liquid in ice grain boundaries or veins) may also be important but their influence has not been quantified."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-glaciology/article/co2-diffus...

And then of course there was the other one -

"Since 1812, the CO2 concentration in northern hemispheric air has fluctuated exhibiting three high level maxima around 1825, 1857 and 1942 the latter showing more than 400 ppm."

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1260/095830507780682147

400ppm and only 70 years before it was recorded by Keeling. Wink
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Reply #10 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:24pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 10th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
What if the proposed batteries are a gigantic fail and that only becomes truly apparent after all the fossil fuelled generators are mothballed?


On that inevitable day when all the batteries blow up, the solar panels get too dusty, and everyone in the Riverland goes mad from wind turbine syndrome, we'll have to go and take the mothballs out of the turbines at the gas plants, although one has to wonder why moths would be a problem for machines that are not made of tasty linens.


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Reply #11 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:33pm
 
"Despite zero evidence confirming my theory, I am convinced that our current rate of climate change is normal and all the scientists are either lying or incompetent."
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Reply #12 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 8:47pm:
This one is pretty damning wouldn't you say Lee.
I fail to see how ice core samples can lie.



You obviously didn't read the scientific papers I posted. But that is not unusual.

You just fail to see any science. So tell us what type of smoothing they used in compressing 400,000 years into 6 inches? How much data was lost?

You know the problem with CO2 and firn?

"We estimate the permeation coefficient for CO2 in ice is ∼4 × 10−21 mol m−1 s−1 Pa−1 at −23°C in the top 287 m (corresponding to 2.74 kyr). Smoothing of the CO2 record by diffusion at this depth/age is one or two orders of magnitude smaller than the smoothing in the firn. However, simulations for depths of ∼930–950 m (∼60–70 kyr) indicate that smoothing of the CO2 record by diffusion in deep ice is comparable to smoothing in the firn. Other types of diffusion (e.g. via liquid in ice grain boundaries or veins) may also be important but their influence has not been quantified."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-glaciology/article/co2-diffus...

And then of course there was the other one -

"Since 1812, the CO2 concentration in northern hemispheric air has fluctuated exhibiting three high level maxima around 1825, 1857 and 1942 the latter showing more than 400 ppm."

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1260/095830507780682147

400ppm and only 70 years before it was recorded by Keeling. Wink

You really need to get back to basics, my graph was as simple as it can get for obvious reasons, ice core samples from various locations backed up by recent observations are irrefutable.
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Reply #13 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
You really need to get back to basics, my graph was as simple as it can get for obvious reasons, ice core samples from various locations backed up by recent observations are irrefutable.



1. The graph is as simple as can be so you can read it. But don't look at anything else; you might, just might learn something.

2. You do understand modern readings can neither confirm or deny paleo data?
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Reply #14 - Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:39pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
the batteries are unproven


True; the battery's been supplying FCAS for a year but that isn't for keepsies.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
at best only benefit a few in certain situations.


Duh: that's by design.
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