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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #510 - Aug 4^th, 2019 at 11:06am

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2019 at 8:37am:

the same explanation I have offered plenty of times earlier.

The same explanation that makes no sense whatsoever:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2019 at 8:37am:

Because it makes a question of historical fact, in which they are the minority among Muslims, the only barrier to them concluding that Muhammad was evil.

I have asked you to explain this before. It makes no effing sense. It is complete jibberish.

I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #512 - Aug 4^th, 2019 at 6:23pm

Try again FD:

I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #513 - Aug 4^th, 2019 at 6:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2019 at 6:23pm:

Try again FD:

I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

Here we go - try to sort out the endless 'tiny minority, vast majority' this and that among Muslims and you will invariably be wrong, according to this or that minority/majority Muslim.

It''s an endless shell game - where's the pea, is it a majority or a minority pea?. Whatever you say you'll turn out wrong because there is some other Muslims minority/majority divide you haven't addressed, probably because you don't speak classical Arabic or some such nonsense. Everything is a haggle, everything is a yea but no but when discussing Islam with a Muslim. The one thing they will never do is take responsibility. Oh, no. Responsibility is always with the non-Muslims for the way Islam is in the world.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #514 - Aug 4^th, 2019 at 6:44pm

Can you understand this Frank - this answer to the question why muslims who don't believe the Banu Qurayza massacre happened somehow still feel compelled to think that a theoretical Muhammad who did commit the massacre should be supported...?

Because it makes a question of historical fact, in which they are the minority among Muslims, the only barrier to them concluding that Muhammad was evil. They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both, but theirs is merely the better Muhammad. That's why you offered up your "academic" support for Muhammad's genocide at the same time as denying it. They all deny it was genocide in some way, and they all continue to support it.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 51831 Gender:	Re: All Muslims support genocide Reply #515 - Aug 4^th, 2019 at 7:25pm Mohammed was a bloody warlord and a sexual predator. He was an opportunistic liar. You hitched your life to him. Can you understand that?
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #516 - Aug 4^th, 2019 at 9:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4^th, 2019 at 6:23pm:

Try again FD:

I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

You have no idea what I am saying, so you quoted my post without the bit you did not understand, and when I told you the answer was in the bit you left out, you quoted another partial extract from the post, claiming that was the rest of it.

Instead of just saying you do not understand it, you lied and said the words do not exist.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #517 - Aug 5^th, 2019 at 10:23am

Try again FD, the correct answer is either 'yes' or 'no':

I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

For clarity, I'm trying to fathom why you would assume that muslims who reject the idea that Muhammad committed an atrocity, must still somehow support the idea that he committed an atrocity.

Instead of, you know, the obvious conclusion that they reject the atrocity and therefore consider such an idea abhorent and wholly unsupportable.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #518 - Aug 5^th, 2019 at 7:25pm

I'm not going round this circle any more if you keep falling back to insisting I have not answered your question. You have done this several times already, then expected me to move on without even acknowledging you did it, then you just repeat. Each time you have made me go back and quote one of my many previous posts that you insisted does not exist. Not understanding it does not mean it does not exist Gandalf, and I am sick of having to explain to you over and over again that it does exist. If you don't understand it, say you don't understand it. Don't lie about it. We have spent the last 20 pages repeating the same thing.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #519 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:42am

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

I'm not going [to answer your question, instead I'll provide a whole paragraph of whining obfuscation]

oh look, another whole paragraph of FD outrage for daring to ask for clarification.

Its actually very simple FD, and no you haven't answered this - not once:

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I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

Yes or no?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #520 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:50am

FD how does it make sense that muslims who reject the idea that Muhammad committed an atrocity, must still somehow support the idea that he committed an atrocity?

Instead of, you know, the obvious conclusion that they reject the atrocity and therefore consider such an idea abhorent and wholly unsupportable?

Why does a minority of a religious group universally feel compelled to 'support' (if thats the right word) the ideas held by the majority about Muhammad? Do you think this is applies to all religious minorities, or just those muslims who don't agree with the orthodox Banu Qurayza narrative?

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #521 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 3:40pm

muhammad rode flying donkys, rocks and trees talked to him, he went to paradise and saw allahs three daughters, he's been to hell and saw the majority of people there were the stupid females who were suspended by hooks through their tits over the hellfires, was a gutless coward in battle (got other muzzies to shield him and take all the arrows in themselves) with the promise that they surely would enter the big brothel in the sky, had to make a verse of convenience to excuse his blood lust.

-----bbbbuuuutttt he definitely didn't take part in the genocide of the Jews etc..

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #522 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 7:26pm

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 3:40pm:

muhammad rode flying donkys, rocks and trees talked to him, he went to paradise and saw allahs three daughters, he's been to hell and saw the majority of people there were the stupid females who were suspended by hooks through their tits over the hellfires, was a gutless coward in battle (got other muzzies to shield him and take all the arrows in themselves) with the promise that they surely would enter the big brothel in the sky, had to make a verse of convenience to excuse his blood lust.

-----bbbbuuuutttt he definitely didn't take part in the genocide of the Jews etc..

That IS the gist.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #523 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 10:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:42am:

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

I'm not going [to answer your question, instead I'll provide a whole paragraph of whining obfuscation]

oh look, another whole paragraph of FD outrage for daring to ask for clarification.

Its actually very simple FD, and no you haven't answered this - not once:

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I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

Yes or no?

We have been going around the same circle for 20 pages. You keep telling the same lie. You seem completely oblivious to it. Now you say it makes no sense at all, but also that it is very simple. And I'm guessing if I try to answer you, in a few pages you will be once again telling me I have never explained it, never answered the question, or quoting part of a post and trying to tell me the rest of it does not exist.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #524 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 8:20am

freediver wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 10:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:42am:

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:

I'm not going [to answer your question, instead I'll provide a whole paragraph of whining obfuscation]

oh look, another whole paragraph of FD outrage for daring to ask for clarification.

Its actually very simple FD, and no you haven't answered this - not once:

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I have no idea what you are saying, but it seems to be something vaguely along the lines of arguing that being a minority view somehow makes them less confident of the truth, and therefore makes them feel they have to give some sort of deference to the majority view - the view that they paradoxically reject and despise. Is that the general gist?

Yes or no?

We have been going around the same circle for 20 pages. You keep telling the same lie. You seem completely oblivious to it. Now you say it makes no sense at all, but also that it is very simple. And I'm guessing if I try to answer you, in a few pages you will be once again telling me I have never explained it, never answered the question, or quoting part of a post and trying to tell me the rest of it does not exist.

Is that why you don't answer questions?

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