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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #465 - Jul 13^th, 2019 at 11:19am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 10:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2019 at 8:19am:

They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both, but theirs is merely the better Muhammad.

You are merely offering up one possible way that these muslims rationalise - backed up solely by the single anecdote of what one muslim allegedly thinks. Thats one out of millions. That you are forced to insist that this is the only possible way all these muslims can rationalise - in a desperate bid to avoid having to concede that your claim in the OP is complete BS - is obviously problematic.

There is no reason why I can't simply say, alternatively, that like just about every other religious minority, they have no problem whatsoever in insisting that their version is the right one, and no problem whatsoever in saying the others are wrong, and therefore invalid - even if they are in the majority. Such rationalising is no more or less legitimate than your claim - which in any case doesn't even come close to justifying the BS claim, which lets face it is nothing but a deliberately offensive smear, in the thread title.

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2019 at 8:19am:

They all deny it was genocide in some way, and they all continue to support it.

Ok so where we're at now is that the question of whether or not someone 'supports genocide' entirely boils down to whether or not FD thinks it was genocide. The individuals themselves have no agency at all to come to their own conclusions and consider context. No way can a muslim say "you know, executing members of an entire army who treated with the enemy while under siege is one thing, but rounding up and gassing all jews, just for being jews - well thats something quite different".

Are you yourself allowed to pick and choose FD? For example, would you be prepared to call the annhialation of say the Australian Aborigines as genocide? American Indians? the Incas?

Would you describe yourself as a genocide supporter? If not, why not?

G, I'm curious. Please give this one a stab, I'm really really keen to know what you think.

Why do you answer?

That's all. Why do you do it?

I refuse to believe that someone could intentionally be so obtuse.

It simply defies belief that someone seemingly so intelligent could give these sorts of "arguments" with a straight face. I guess I'm hoping (against hope) that its a simple misunderstanding somewhere.

Good luck with that. In my experience, once they're gone, they're gone.

Not unlike Moh's belief about infidels, no? Moh said you shouldn't waste your time trying to convince them.

It's the same with those who've abandoned reason. If you question their ridiculous claims they get defensive and make even MORE ridiculous claims.

Remember, the reason the 2007 FD "changed his mind" was Abu. Abu had FD so well-owned on issues of history and social justice, FD had to switch and go surreal to pay him back. When Abu ignored the more ridiculous questions, FD got miffed. He started the Wiki in an attempt to get Abu's attention. The rest is history.

Only a miracle makes them come back from this, G. Saul had a flash on the road to Damascus.

The parable of the prodigal son explains this well. Some people have to hit rock bottom to experience what Saul did. The other son never left and got no great spiritual experience, but both are equal in the eyes of their father.

FD would need to hit rock bottom to come back to the light. Right now, he's comfortable and complacently in denial. As Moh said, there's no talking these types around, you just have to wait. If they return, alll good. If not, that's their problem.

And yes, I know the violent extremists make it our problem too, but there's no talking a white supremacist around, he just digs in deeper.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: All Muslims support genocide Reply #466 - Jul 15^th, 2019 at 5:48pm freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2019 at 8:16am: I am not that familiar with the details. Interesting. For someone so obsessed about genocide you are surprisingly unfamiliar with the most notorious and large scale cases of it in history.
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Reply #467 - Jul 16^th, 2019 at 7:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 1:21pm:

Do you consider the annhialation of natives in Australia and the Americas by white settlers genocide FD? You haven't said.

This is a load of bollocks. They have not been annihilated.

Muslim genocides are numerous and - hushed up. What you did in India dwarfs Mao and Stalin. Armenians.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143954 Gender:	Re: All Muslims support genocide Reply #468 - Jul 16^th, 2019 at 7:54pm Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2019 at 7:48pm: Muslim genocides are numerous and - hushed up. Ah. You're the only one who's told about them, yeah?
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: All Muslims support genocide Reply #469 - Jul 16^th, 2019 at 7:55pm Well allah did say that he could kill them if he wanted to, but he preferred muzzies do it as a test.
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #470 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:12am

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 1:21pm:

Do you consider the annhialation of natives in Australia and the Americas by white settlers genocide FD? You haven't said.

This is a load of bollocks. They have not been annihilated.

Muslim genocides are numerous and - hushed up. What you did in India dwarfs Mao and Stalin. Armenians.

The India case is an interesting one. Its my understanding that this was a series of persecutions/massacres/conflicts over a period of several hundred years. Whats significant is that the target of this 'genocide' - hindus - were not eliminated as a cultural entity. Far from it. Today they are thriving and are the dominant culture in India today.

Which brings me to the definition of 'genocide'. Which IMO should have something to do with wiping out completely, or at least make significant inroads to wiping out - an entire culture/ethnic population. Clearly this was not achieved in India. In stark contrast to Australia and North America. Even if remnants of those societies remain today, culturally they are insignificant and a shadow of what they once were. This is entirely due to a very deliberate and systematic program of annhialation by the white settlers.

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Reply #471 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:17am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:12am:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2019 at 1:21pm:

Do you consider the annhialation of natives in Australia and the Americas by white settlers genocide FD? You haven't said.

This is a load of bollocks. They have not been annihilated.

Muslim genocides are numerous and - hushed up. What you did in India dwarfs Mao and Stalin. Armenians.

The India case is an interesting one. Its my understanding that this was a series of persecutions/massacres/conflicts over a period of several hundred years. Whats significant is that the target of this 'genocide' - hindus - were not eliminated as a cultural entity. Far from it. Today they are thriving and are the dominant culture in India today.

Which brings me to the definition of 'genocide'. Which IMO should have something to do with wiping out completely, or at least make significant inroads to wiping out - an entire culture/ethnic population. Clearly this was not achieved in India. In stark contrast to Australia and North America. Even if remnants remain today, culturally they are insignificant and a shadow of what they once were. This is entirely due to a very deliberate and systematic program of annhialation by the white settlers.

How many ethnic groups have the Muslims wiped out or now are just hanging on? Loads of them. Jews and Christians were once spread throughout the Muslim world . Not now though. The Yazidis are a classic case of this. Look at what is happening to the Egyptian Coptic's.

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Reply #472 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:35am

The Yazidis and the copts have been living in muslim lands as vulnerable minorities for centuries. If muslims wanted to wipe them out they could have done so easily any time in the last 1400 years. Unlike christendom, minority cultures have been able to survive and in most cases thrive under muslim rule until very recently.

Can you think of any cultures/religions that pre-date christianity still existing in Europe? Apart from some hippies doing dressups and playing pretend druids - I'm struggling to think of any. Yet even today the muslim world has plethora of pre-islamic cultures/religions.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #473 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:49am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:35am:

The Yazidis and the copts have been living in muslim lands as vulnerable minorities for centuries. If muslims wanted to wipe them out they could have done so easily any time in the last 1400 years. Unlike christendom, minority cultures have been able to survive and in most cases thrive under muslim rule until very recently.

Can you think of any cultures/religions that pre-date christianity still existing in Europe? Apart from some hippies doing dressups and playing pretend druids - I'm struggling to think of any. Yet even today the muslim world has plethora of pre-islamic cultures/religions.

If white settlers wanted to wipe the aborigines out …….. Why does it have to pre-date Christianity. There's the gypsies, Cossacks, Celtic culture, Muslims left over from the Ottoman's throughout Europe, Inuit. If you are talking about modern times there's certainly a lot more variation in thought in the Christian world rather than the Muslim world. How many confessed atheists , gays, jedhi are getting around in the Muslim world right now? The Muslim world are just normal people but religion is really forced on people .

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #474 - Jul 17^th, 2019 at 11:34am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2019 at 10:35am:

The Yazidis and the copts have been living in muslim lands as vulnerable minorities for centuries. If muslims wanted to wipe them out they could have done so easily any time in the last 1400 years. Unlike christendom, minority cultures have been able to survive and in most cases thrive under muslim rule until very recently.

Can you think of any cultures/religions that pre-date christianity still existing in Europe? Apart from some hippies doing dressups and playing pretend druids - I'm struggling to think of any. Yet even today the muslim world has plethora of pre-islamic cultures/religions.

Ah.

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Reply #475 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 9:00am

"The Two Faces of the Billoo Family."

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CAIR Leader 'Proud' of Genocidal California Imam

by Martha Lee
July 19, 2019

California imam Ahmed Billoo recently called for the mass extermination of Jews.

Apparently impatient at the border-security protocols at Ben Gurion Airport in Israel, he posted a prayer to Twitter with the hashtag "Zionists": "Oh God, reduce their numbers, exterminate them, and don't leave a single one alive."

Ahmed Billoo's sister is Zahra Billoo, director of the San Francisco branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

She is also an important figure in the Women's March movement, and has appeared alongside her brother at Women's March events. Billoo's own colleagues at CAIR "liked" Ahmed's post. When asked, CAIR and Zahra Billoo herself refused to comment on Ahmed Billoo's genocidal call.

Publicly, Zahra Billoo prides herself on her commitment to progressive causes. When explaining her involvement in the Women's March, she said that "what we need right now is to send a clear message" "that we will work together across communities to defend and protect each other."

https://www.meforum.org/59007/zahra-biilloo

"....we [moslems] will work together across communities to defend and protect each other."

'.....AND WE WILL PRAISE ALLAH, AND THANK HIM WHENEVER HE SLAUGHTERS THE DISBELIEVERS, ESPECIALLY JEWS.'

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"ISLAM ES PAZ"

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus

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QUESTION;
Why do we continue to allow these people to live in our society ?

When their stated objective [and the stated objective of their 'religion'] is only to live among us, in order to grow in numbers,
in order to seek to weaken our society with their presence [with cultural parasitism, with their 'disguised insurgency, and with their JIHAD terror],
and with the final objective being, to slaughter us.

'.....just like in muslim countries.'

insurgency, insurgent = = rising in active revolt.

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According to Allah, everything, in the whole world belongs to the moslem;

"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
Nay, We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44

"And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27

According to THE CLERICS Allah tells the moslem that he must engage in 'Jihad', to take what is his, by right of being a moslem. !!!!!

WATCH A MOSQUE LEADER IN THE USA, URGING YOUNG MOSLEM MEN TO DO JUST THAT;

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WWW search....

"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad"

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14
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'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'

QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #476 - Jul 27^th, 2019 at 9:11am

WWW search....

"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad"

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14
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'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'

QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

Where do moslem children get these ideas from ?

FROM living in Iraq,
from living in Syria,
from living in Turkey,
and from living in Australia,

and being under the influence of their moslem parents,
FROM BEING INDOCTRINATED WITH THE PRECEPTS OF ISLAM.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1561322032/27#27

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #477 - Jul 29^th, 2019 at 2:29pm

Now that FD seems to be back, I'd like to highlight a previous post. It goes to the crux of FD's core argument for why every single muslim in the world, man, woman and child, are of one mind in supporting genocide. I thought I articulated this response pretty well, but it seems to have been ignored:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2019 at 8:19am:

They would be saying that the Muhammad that the vast majority believe in is an evil man and they believe in a different version of him, but that puts them in a difficult position, so instead they say both versions of Muhammad are good men and they support the supposed actions of both, but theirs is merely the better Muhammad.

You are merely offering up one possible way that these muslims rationalise - backed up solely by the single anecdote of what one muslim allegedly thinks. Thats one out of millions. That you are forced to insist that this is the only possible way all these muslims can rationalise - in a desperate bid to avoid having to concede that your claim in the OP is complete BS - is obviously problematic.

There is no reason why I can't simply say, alternatively, that like just about every other religious minority, they have no problem whatsoever in insisting that their version is the right one, and no problem whatsoever in saying the others are wrong, and therefore invalid - even if they are in the majority. Such rationalising is no more or less legitimate than your claim - which in any case doesn't even come close to justifying the BS claim, which lets face it is nothing but a deliberately offensive smear, in the thread title.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #478 - Jul 29^th, 2019 at 2:34pm

Not only is it a logical fallacy to theorize that those muslims who believe in a different version of Muhammad than the majority must necessarily 'support' both versions (why??) - it is patently absurd to insist, with not a shred of evidence other than the alleged musings of a single muslim, that they in fact do this in reality.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #479 - Jul 29^th, 2019 at 2:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2019 at 2:34pm:

Not only is it a logical fallacy to theorize that those muslims who believe in a different version of Muhammad than the majority must necessarily 'support' both versions (why??) - it is patently absurd to insist, with not a shred of evidence other than the alleged musings of a single muslim, that they in fact do this in reality.

Looking around the world Gandalf why do you think Muslims have a hard time getting along with other faiths. Now Muslims are having problems in China????

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