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Reply #45 - Nov 26^th, 2018 at 6:07pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 12:32am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:49pm:

Why I don't live in the USA: Sandra Parks, 13, who wrote award-winning essay about gun violence, shot dead in own home Roll Eyes

You destroy your own argument with this link, that is not America. That is everyday black behavior, if you doubt it get drunk in any Bar in any black neighborhood in America. I doubt you will be in the best of health in the morning!

You could live in any of the Black neighborhoods in the US to find the kind of violent society you imagine! We are not a homogeneous society united by culture, beliefs or appearance. The wife of our former divider-in-chief bemoaned the lack of large grocery stores in the black communities. Simple business formulas discourage locations where crime is a major problem. No one wants to have their store robbed on a regular basis and burned down during the riot season!

This is about your Country, not mine and your rules appear to be based on "The Minority Report". It really causes you great concern that people who have never been criminals and not likely to ever become criminals have something that has never been a problem and unlikely to be one!

Do you have regulations on sling shots as well?

white middle class kids are the most likely to be the perpetrators in these mass school shootings Mort. Kids of people like you with ready access to firearms.

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Reply #46 - Nov 26^th, 2018 at 9:33pm

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white middle class kids are the most likely to be the perpetrators in these mass school shootings Mort. Kids of people like you with ready access to firearms.

36 School shooters/school related violence committed by those under the influence of psychiatric drugs

Fact: At least 36 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 172 wounded and 80 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs). The most important fact about this list, is that these are only cases where the information about their psychiatric drug use was made public. (See full list below)

https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

It takes a deadening of emotions to be able to commit these acts and drugs are the deciding factor. But at least little Johnny will sit still in class until he explodes!

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Reply #47 - Nov 26^th, 2018 at 9:49pm

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Sandra Parks is an American, Mort. Please keep your racism away from here. "Race" is a social construct created by idiots on the basis of prejudice and hatred, not science. "Race" does not exist scientifically. There are more differences within each so-called "racial" group than there are between them. Modern Genetics has proved that we all share the same genetic pool, it is what allows us all to interbreed with one another. We are all descended according to Genetic theory from Africans. You're slighting your own racial heritage with your mindless and senseless prejudice.

You need to be consistent in your labels and not limit them to Americans. You also are part of the whole and the violence she wrote about must include you by your own definitions!

Just like there are different breeds of dogs with different temperaments there are different races of people and tarring everyone with the same brush is dishonest!

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Reply #48 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 4:01pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Sandra Parks is an American, Mort. Please keep your racism away from here. "Race" is a social construct created by idiots on the basis of prejudice and hatred, not science. "Race" does not exist scientifically. There are more differences within each so-called "racial" group than there are between them. Modern Genetics has proved that we all share the same genetic pool, it is what allows us all to interbreed with one another. We are all descended according to Genetic theory from Africans. You're slighting your own racial heritage with your mindless and senseless prejudice.

You need to be consistent in your labels and not limit them to Americans. You also are part of the whole and the violence she wrote about must include you by your own definitions!

Why did you blank out her nationality, Mort?

Too scared to admit that your former slaves are now full citizens? Mmmm? Or just don't like being included with people of colour? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Mort. America is a nation of colours. About time you got used to the idea that White people don't control the nation any more... Roll Eyes

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Just like there are different breeds of dogs with different temperaments there are different races of people and tarring everyone with the same brush is dishonest!

I am not tarring everybody with any sort of brush, Mort. You are. Until you admit that people of colour are full American citizens, this discussion is going no where, fast. You simply cannot disown 30+% of your nation's population simply 'cause you don't like the colour of their skin or are afraid of them. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #49 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 10:17pm

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Why did you blank out her nationality, Mort?

Why? Because the bad behavior of 13% (not 30%) is not the behavior of a whole Nation. As for full citizenship, they have more than that. They are a protected class of people elevated beyond their abilities.

As for tarring, of course you are. All Americans are irresponsible as demonstrated by this victimized little girl! Your whole point is based on saying look at how violent the Americans are, they need more gun control! Not in my neighborhood bubba, we don't beat our women or kill a stranger because he disrespected us by stepping on our Nike shoes. A people who as a race never discovered the wheel or built anything that lasted 100 years or a structure over two stories tall.

We can't have gun control laws for one group and not another so we will continue to be responsible citizens and they will continue to victimize mostly each other.

This is all a distraction from the purpose of the original post, your citizens deserve to have your laws liberalized. The majority of projectile expelling devices need fewer regulation, not more. Whether spring powered, air powered or using gun powder the likelihood of them being used illegally is so remote there is no reason for regulation!

You need to get over this authoritarian attitude. Your citizens need less government, not more!

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Reply #50 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 10:35pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 10:17pm:

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Why did you blank out her nationality, Mort?

Why? Because the bad behavior of 13% (not 30%) is not the behavior of a whole Nation. As for full citizenship, they have more than that. They are a protected class of people elevated beyond their abilities.

As for tarring, of course you are. All Americans are irresponsible as demonstrated by this victimized little girl! Your whole point is based on saying look at how violent the Americans are, they need more gun control! Not in my neighborhood bubba, we don't beat our women or kill a stranger because he disrespected us by stepping on our Nike shoes. A people who as a race never discovered the wheel or built anything that lasted 100 years or a structure over two stories tall.

We can't have gun control laws for one group and not another so we will continue to be responsible citizens and they will continue to victimize mostly each other.

This is all a distraction from the purpose of the original post, your citizens deserve to have your laws liberalized. The majority of projectile expelling devices need fewer regulation, not more. Whether spring powered, air powered or using gun powder the likelihood of them being used illegally is so remote there is no reason for regulation!

You need to get over this authoritarian attitude. Your citizens need less government, not more!

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Racism is as I have suggested, based upon prejudice and lies, not scientific fact. Black Africans used the wheel, I think you're talking about native Americans. Another group I'm sure you'd claim weren't real Americans as well.

Why am I reminded of the old joke, a woman is on her mobile phone at the airport speaking in a language other than English and a White Supremacist rips into her, damning her for not speaking English, "stop speakin' that foreign lingo!". "Excuse me," replies the woman, "I am speaking Navaho, my ancestors were here thousands of years before your ancestors arrived."

The point is, some people who might claim they are superior because of their supposed "race" are actually inferiors - just like you, Mort.

Your guns contribute to the violence present in American society. You have guns because you fear your fellow Americans. Doesn't matter what the colour of their skin, where they live or what they do, you're afraid of them all. So, if you like living in fear, go for it but more civilised people don't and we won't. Roll Eyes

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Reply #51 - Nov 28^th, 2018 at 12:21am

You must suffer from ADHD because you just can't stay on point! I have never held myself out to be better than anyone but I also don't recognize anyone as being better than me! Unlike you who let me know those descended from convicts are inferior to you!

I see your knowledge of American Indians is as Hollywood inspired as many of your BS opinions. There once was a people in North America only remembered as the ancient ones. The American Indians wiped them out and took their land. They all had a long history of invading the territory claimed by other tribes. You will get a more accurate history by reading the novels of Louis L'amore then the politically correct fiction passed off as history!

My guns are secured and have not contributed to violence in my society. I can't say none ever took a life because many were Police and Military trade-ins. I don't own because of fear, I own because of a sense of history and being armed doesn't equal fear! Some even take loose powder and round balls!

I carry to protect what I value. Crime is reduced when the muggers and rapists don't know who is armed or who may come to the aid of their victims! That isn't fear and an encounter with an attacker isn't an opportunity for a sparing match.

Now, try to pay attention. It would not harm your society to delete laws that serve no purpose. A Crossman .22 caliber pellet gun is not a threat to the public and nothing is accomplished by record keeping and restrictions. I am sure there are many other examples.

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Reply #53 - Nov 28^th, 2018 at 6:36pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 12:21am:

You must suffer from ADHD because you just can't stay on point! I have never held myself out to be better than anyone but I also don't recognize anyone as being better than me! Unlike you who let me know those descended from convicts are inferior to you!

"Inferior"? No, just different, Mort. Just different. They are descended from the first white settlers on this continent. I have relatives who trace their ancestry further back than that some 75,000 years actually. They were considered "inferior" by many White colonists for the reason they had black skin. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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I see your knowledge of American Indians is as Hollywood inspired as many of your BS opinions. There once was a people in North America only remembered as the ancient ones. The American Indians wiped them out and took their land. They all had a long history of invading the territory claimed by other tribes. You will get a more accurate history by reading the novels of Louis L'amore then the politically correct fiction passed off as history!

Westerns are so much a romanticised view of history. The wild west only lasted a generation, if that, in most parts of the US. Yet, according to Hollywood, it lasted for hundreds of years. Just as today, many Americans appear to believe they still live in that period and place and need guns to protect themselves. Funny how weird people are sometimes, hey?

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My guns are secured and have not contributed to violence in my society. I can't say none ever took a life because many were Police and Military trade-ins. I don't own because of fear, I own because of a sense of history and being armed doesn't equal fear! Some even take loose powder and round balls!

You own them ultimately because you fear your fellow Americans, Mort. You cannot deny you have them for "protection". Who are you protecting yourself against, except your fellow Americans. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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I carry to protect what I value. Crime is reduced when the muggers and rapists don't know who is armed or who may come to the aid of their victims! That isn't fear and an encounter with an attacker isn't an opportunity for a sparing match.

Much easier to call the police and let them deal with the miscreants than take the law into your own hands. Stop dreaming your Wild West dreams - you supposedly live in a modern, liberal, democratic and law-abiding society. Time for you to prove that. Surrender your guns, immediately!

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Now, try to pay attention. It would not harm your society to delete laws that serve no purpose. A Crossman .22 caliber pellet gun is not a threat to the public and nothing is accomplished by record keeping and restrictions. I am sure there are many other examples.

A pellet gun is a gun. A gun which can kill people and hurt them. Time to surrender your guns, Mort. Time to join the 21st century! You don't live in the 19th century. Roll Eyes

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Reply #54 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 1:36am

Having a gun for defense is no different than having a spare tire in a vehicle, a first aid kit or extra food and water in case of need! Discounting my historical artifacts and range toys I have a few polymer framed defensive arms. The compacts even have laser sights. I don't fear because I am not forced to live in an area were crimes are common. It is unlikely anyone will attack me where I live but I will still answer my door after dark with a gun held behind my back until I identify the visitor. That is being careful, not fearful! I never advocate for everyone to be armed, some just don't understand it is a responsibility to be taken seriously and not a magic talisman.

Calling the police is great for getting reports written about a crime but as we all know "when seconds count the police are only minutes away". You are your own first responders! Rest assured if you break into my neighbors home I will call the police and record as much information about you as I safely can. If you break into mine chances are you will be stopped and that may include getting shot.

Most people are not the biggest and baddest MF around and a well placed bullet is a real game changer. When grandma or grandpa is the victim of a home invasion she/he may not be the one carried out. The old and the weak deserve a chance to defend themselves as well as the rest of us.

Once again, lighten up your gun laws and concern yourselves with only the ones commonly used in crimes. Regulating Daisy BB guns is laughably absurd.

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Reply #55 - Nov 29^th, 2018 at 3:52pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29^th, 2018 at 1:36am:

Having a gun for defense is no different than having a spare tire in a vehicle, a first aid kit or extra food and water in case of need! Discounting my historical artifacts and range toys I have a few polymer framed defensive arms. The compacts even have laser sights. I don't fear because I am not forced to live in an area were crimes are common. It is unlikely anyone will attack me where I live but I will still answer my door after dark with a gun held behind my back until I identify the visitor. That is being careful, not fearful! I never advocate for everyone to be armed, some just don't understand it is a responsibility to be taken seriously and not a magic talisman.

Calling the police is great for getting reports written about a crime but as we all know "when seconds count the police are only minutes away". You are your own first responders! Rest assured if you break into my neighbors home I will call the police and record as much information about you as I safely can. If you break into mine chances are you will be stopped and that may include getting shot.

Most people are not the biggest and baddest MF around and a well placed bullet is a real game changer. When grandma or grandpa is the victim of a home invasion she/he may not be the one carried out. The old and the weak deserve a chance to defend themselves as well as the rest of us.

Once again, lighten up your gun laws and concern yourselves with only the ones commonly used in crimes. Regulating Daisy BB guns is laughably absurd.

Thanks, Mort for condemning yourself from your own keyboard. You claim you don't fear yet you admit to answering the door with a gun behind your back. Why do that, unless you fear who might be at at the door? Your guns are why other Americans have guns. They fear you, just as much as you fear them. Nothing you have said reassures me that you are not ultimately at the root cause of why Americans believe they need guns. Roll Eyes

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