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Reply #30 - Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 12:50am

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I think you mean, "shudder" not "shutter", Mort.

Boomerangs are not considered dangerous weapons. It takes real skill to use a Boomerang and then, the worse it could do for you is give you a clout on the back of your head. Hunting Boomerangs are rare beasts and resemble small throwing logs, rather than a curved stick and they definitely don't come back once thrown.

Blame spell check.

Hey, I saw The Road Warrior and the scene where the Toady lost his fingers trying to catch a boomerang. It looked pretty dangerous to me. If you let the inaccurate fantasy world of Hollywood form your opinions I can too.

This list of unnecessary regulations is a sad statement about the opinion of your government about the governed.

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Re: Australia's NRA-inspired gun lobby
Reply #31 - Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 12:52am

rhino wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 12:36am:

No Mort, pellet guns are guns. They fire projectiles capable of injury. They havent always been banned in Australia, I seem to remember them mainly being used for target practise on stray cats. I think we can live without them.

You said firearm, there is no fire in a spring powered or pneumatic rifle or pistol!

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Reply #32 - Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 6:45am

Pellet Gun/Slug Gun: Yep - I received a 1 year Good Behaviour Bond as a young teenager because such a gun was placed in my hand and straight away, a glazed look came over me and I just began shooting at people. I mean - that's what guns are for, no? I shot five people with the sluggy. They received 'injuries' because my shots were pretty spot on for a first time beginner. I was lucky the Cops didn't shoot me when they arrived in numbers. Shocked

I remember your Oprah Winfrey has a special on Guns.
They placed a replica pistol in a school locker that was left unlocked. Hidden camera. When the kids discovered it - the first thing they did is put it to their friends head and pulled the trigger. It was instinctual.
...this is what happens when kids have guns.
Giving guns to unprofessional populace is like giving guns to kids.
Hell, even Cops shouldn't have guns - only Military.
But your Police look like Military these days because of 'your rights'. Huh

So Mort. How's it feel to live in a country that serves JEWS?
(which is like serving the Middle-East and its military agendas).
I bet you can't get rid of the Jews peacefully in the USA, unlike what happened in Europe - violently, with GUNS. Wink

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11611 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia's NRA-inspired gun lobby Reply #33 - Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:14pm More than 300 mass shootings in the US so far this year. meanwhile ... Sing-a-long time.
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Re: Australia's NRA-inspired gun lobby
Reply #34 - Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:20pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 12:50am:

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I think you mean, "shudder" not "shutter", Mort.

Boomerangs are not considered dangerous weapons. It takes real skill to use a Boomerang and then, the worse it could do for you is give you a clout on the back of your head. Hunting Boomerangs are rare beasts and resemble small throwing logs, rather than a curved stick and they definitely don't come back once thrown.

Blame spell check.

I blame you for not checking your own spelling. Ignored the Three 'Rs at school did you? You know, Readin', 'Rithmatic and 'Riting?

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Hey, I saw The Road Warrior and the scene where the Toady lost his fingers trying to catch a boomerang. It looked pretty dangerous to me. If you let the inaccurate fantasy world of Hollywood form your opinions I can too.

Road Warrior == Mad Max? I wonder why they changed the name? Perhaps 'cause Americans are so ignorant, hey? I hear tell they overdubbed the voices with American accented ones 'cause 'mericans don't understand good 'Strine, right? Roll Eyes

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This list of unnecessary regulations is a sad statement about the opinion of your government about the governed.

Doesn't worry me. I benefit from a safer society. You live in the Wild West, mate. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 43461	Re: Australia's NRA-inspired gun lobby Reply #35 - Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:49pm Why I don't live in the USA: Sandra Parks, 13, who wrote award-winning essay about gun violence, shot dead in own home
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Captain Caveman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6211 Gender:	Re: Australia's NRA-inspired gun lobby Reply #36 - Nov 24^th, 2018 at 7:00am She highlights in her essay there is to much black on black crime....hmmmmm.
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Reply #37 - Nov 24^th, 2018 at 8:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:49pm:

Why I don't live in the USA: Sandra Parks, 13, who wrote award-winning essay about gun violence, shot dead in own home Roll Eyes

Why do blacks have a higher homicide rate in the USA Brian?

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 Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and oﬀenders. Th e victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). Th e oﬀ ending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000) (table 1).

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

I lived and worked in Bristol Rhode Island for a year, no murders there it's safer than anywhere in Australia, they have a murder rate of 0 per 100K

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Bristol-Rhode-Island.html

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Reply #38 - Nov 24^th, 2018 at 8:26am

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:14pm:

More than 300 mass shootings in the US so far this year.

That's bullshit, there have been 108 mass shootings in the US since 1982.

Mother Jones is a leftist group that pushes gun cntrol they have a tally of all mass shootings here- https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-da...

If we use the Australian definition of 5 or more killed for mass shootings then the US drops to just over 80 mass shootings since 1982, if we are going to compare countries it would be dishonest to use different definitions for mass shootings.

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Conclusions and Relevance Following enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings through May 2016. There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997 but also a decline in total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude. Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms.

Using several online news media databases (Factiva, ProQuest, NewsText, and News Store online) as well as web search engine queries for mass shootings, one author (P.A.) verified reports of all mass shooting incidents in Australia (defined here, as in a previous analysis,8 as ≥5 victims killed by gunshot, not including the perpetrator).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362

There you go the Journal of the American Medical Association says it's not possible to determine if our gun laws reduced firearm homicides because non firearm homicides declined by a far greater magnitude during that time period.

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Reply #39 - Nov 24^th, 2018 at 10:10am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 24^th, 2018 at 8:26am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:14pm:

More than 300 mass shootings in the US so far this year.

That's bullshit, there have been 108 mass shootings in the US since 1982....

The number of mass shootings around the country in 2018 has risen above 300 so far.

According to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a total of 314 mass shooting incidents have occurred as of November 19.

A shooting injuring four people, including a suspect, at a Chicago hospital and a Monday evening shooting in Denver, injuring at least 4 and killing 1, marked the 315th and 316th mass shootings so far this year, respectively.

https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-oc...

In 2017, the U.S. saw a total of 346 mass shootings.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jl901ZAtyFSXvVsoRAxkMP_V2S-nM7-Z&ll=37...

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Reply #40 - Nov 24^th, 2018 at 3:29pm

Funny how you don't seem to read the conclusion to the American Medical Association journal article, Baron:

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In the 20 years (May 1996-May 2016) since the gun law reforms and buyback programs, no mass shootings (ie, ≥5 victims) have occurred in Australia. In addition, there was a more rapid decline in total firearm deaths after gun law reforms (1997-2013) compared with before gun law reforms (1979-1996).

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Seems to be to be saying the reverse of what you're claiming, Baron. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

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Re: Australia's NRA-inspired gun lobby
Reply #42 - Nov 26^th, 2018 at 12:32am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:49pm:

Why I don't live in the USA: Sandra Parks, 13, who wrote award-winning essay about gun violence, shot dead in own home Roll Eyes

You destroy your own argument with this link, that is not America. That is everyday black behavior, if you doubt it get drunk in any Bar in any black neighborhood in America. I doubt you will be in the best of health in the morning!

You could live in any of the Black neighborhoods in the US to find the kind of violent society you imagine! We are not a homogeneous society united by culture, beliefs or appearance. The wife of our former divider-in-chief bemoaned the lack of large grocery stores in the black communities. Simple business formulas discourage locations where crime is a major problem. No one wants to have their store robbed on a regular basis and burned down during the riot season!

This is about your Country, not mine and your rules appear to be based on "The Minority Report". It really causes you great concern that people who have never been criminals and not likely to ever become criminals have something that has never been a problem and unlikely to be one!

Do you have regulations on sling shots as well?

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Reply #43 - Nov 26^th, 2018 at 4:26pm

Mortdooley wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 12:32am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2018 at 3:49pm:

Why I don't live in the USA: Sandra Parks, 13, who wrote award-winning essay about gun violence, shot dead in own home Roll Eyes

You destroy your own argument with this link, that is not America. That is everyday black behavior, if you doubt it get drunk in any Bar in any black neighborhood in America. I doubt you will be in the best of health in the morning!

You could live in any of the Black neighborhoods in the US to find the kind of violent society you imagine! We are not a homogeneous society united by culture, beliefs or appearance. The wife of our former divider-in-chief bemoaned the lack of large grocery stores in the black communities. Simple business formulas discourage locations where crime is a major problem. No one wants to have their store robbed on a regular basis and burned down during the riot season!

This is about your Country, not mine and your rules appear to be based on "The Minority Report". It really causes you great concern that people who have never been criminals and not likely to ever become criminals have something that has never been a problem and unlikely to be one!

Do you have regulations on sling shots as well?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Sandra Parks is an American, Mort. Please keep your racism away from here. "Race" is a social construct created by idiots on the basis of prejudice and hatred, not science. "Race" does not exist scientifically. There are more differences within each so-called "racial" group than there are between them. Modern Genetics has proved that we all share the same genetic pool, it is what allows us all to interbreed with one another. We are all descended according to Genetic theory from Africans. You're slighting your own racial heritage with your mindless and senseless prejudice. Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - Nov 26^th, 2018 at 5:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Funny how you don't seem to read the conclusion to the American Medical Association journal article, Baron:

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In the 20 years (May 1996-May 2016) since the gun law reforms and buyback programs, no mass shootings (ie, ≥5 victims) have occurred in Australia. In addition, there was a more rapid decline in total firearm deaths after gun law reforms (1997-2013) compared with before gun law reforms (1979-1996).

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Seems to be to be saying the reverse of what you're claiming, Baron. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

Does anyone else use 5 or more killed for a mass shooting or is that unique to the Aussie gun grabbers Simon Chapman and Philip Alpers?

Capt Nemo tried to claim the US has had many mass shootings this year he cited this group.
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Why are GVA Mass Shooting numbers higher than some other sources?

GVA uses a purely statistical threshold to define mass shooting based ONLY on the numeric value of 4 or more shot or killed, not including the shooter.

Rather than just collecting incidents of death, GVA also catalogs incidents where a victim was injured by shooting or by a victim who was the subject of an armed robber or home invader. Incidents of defensive gun use, home owners who stop a home invasion, store clerks who stop a robbery, individuals who stop an assault or rape with a gun are also collected.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/methodology

According to gunviolence.org which many cite for mass shootings in the US our Monash University shooting would be considered a mass shooting using their definition for mass shootings.I think the Monash university shooting was a mass shooting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting

As we see with gun grabbers in this thread they use whatever definition for mass shootings that fits their agenda.
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If we use Simon Chapmans definition of 5 or more killed for mass shootings in the USA does that result in a significant reduction of mass shootings there with gunvoilence .org and motherjones?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-da...

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