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Reply #1 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 4:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:28pm:



What gun control laws are they trying to chip away Brian or is this just a fear campaign from the gun grabbers?

How is their Not Happy Dan slogan chipping away at gun laws?
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Reply #2 - Nov 17th, 2018 at 1:34pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 3:28pm:



What gun control laws are they trying to chip away Brian or is this just a fear campaign from the gun grabbers?

How is their Not Happy Dan slogan chipping away at gun laws?


Read the article, Baron.  You questions are answered there.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Nov 17th, 2018 at 9:36pm
 


I have read that article brian it doesn't answer my questions.

Perhaps you should read what SIFA say and take note of how they want to work within our existing laws- https://sifa.net.au/newsroom/media-releases/


The leftists supported by the ABC appear to be engaging in a bit of dog whistling with licensed gun owners on the eve of an election like they did recently in Tasmania.


Perhaps you should read this as well-

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When your election campaign fizzles, rub some gun paranoia on it


The ALP’s push-back against the Liberal Party’s gun discussion has little to do with the greater good, and everything to do with political point-scoring.

Gun laws have been in the news lately, with revelations that the Shooting Industry Foundation of Australia is having its say about the upcoming Victorian state election. Usually, headlines about guns mean one of two things: there has been a shooting incident, or it is a slow news week. But this time, something else going on. This is about major party political games. Struggling to gain traction against the Liberal party’s “tough on crime” platform, news about “the gun lobby” is exactly what the Labor Party has been yearning for.

The Liberals, long dominant in the race to the bottom on law and order, have been scoring easy political points painting Labor as weak on security and unable to tackle crime. Unsurprisingly, the ALP is frantically trying to beef up its credentials at state and federal levels. They know that law and order campaigns play a crucial role in signalling not just legal, but moral authority – a desperately sought after commodity in today’s climate of distrust for major parties.

Yet Labor’s efforts are frequently hamstrung not only by the preference-wielding Greens, but by their own vociferous and powerful left faction. When Labor leaders talk tough, they face in-house ideological fury. Throw in some nods to evidence-based policy, civil liberties and the constraint of police powers, and the result is often ungainly backpedalling or embarrassing reversal. This fuels further allegations of weakness. To counter the Liberals and create a perception of credibility on law and order, the ALP needs an issue where it can look tough but avoid messy battles within its ranks.

Enter gun control: the one issue where values the “left” routinely bring to the law and order debate get tossed aside and replaced by mouth-foaming fervour. Suddenly, sweeping prohibitions, more police powers and more government intrusion into people’s lives become eminently desirable. By creating a sense of hysteria around guns, the ALP can posture as tough on crime while safe in the knowledge that – for once – they are shielded from criticism from their own side.


The mythology manufactured around our gun laws means any re-appraisal is likened to inviting the deaths of children. This encourages frenzied public shaming of anybody who disputes the ALP’s pose – or calls it out for the subterfuge it is.


The ALP’s moral panic about guns has nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with crushing the Liberals. History tells us that when gun laws are tightened a swathe of voters abandon the party they blame for that. Failing to provide opposition also gets punished. Knowing this, Labor has started using gun laws as a sneaky wedge issue.

The aim is to force the Liberals into a corner where their only choices are to oppose Labor, agree with Labor, or get into “even tougher” one-upmanship. In the first scenario, the Liberals can be portrayed as immorally pandering to the gun lobby. In the other scenarios, the Liberals lose votes to “gun-friendly” minor parties. Although the ALP will also lose votes, they are gambling that the Liberals will sustain more damage.

This attack plan got its first serious electoral run in Queensland. The Liberal National Party pledged to oppose reclassification of the now-infamous Adler shotgun, and the Labor government went into full fear-mongering mode. Amid carefully timed claims about putting guns on the streets and placing communities at risk, the LNP got spooked, changed their tune just before the 2017 election, and were thumped.

The same tactic was rolled out in the recent Tasmanian election, but unlike their Queensland counterparts, the Tasmanian Liberals did not follow the script. After proposing changes to a handful of gun laws, they refused to back down despite a Labor/Greens-driven media blitz about the evil gun lobby dictating policy. Far from being weakened, they won another term in power.

Undeterred by the initial failure of “Operation Gun Wedge”, Labor still managed to do them slowly. The Tasmanian Liberals have now penitently vowed to observe the legacy of John Howard


Well aware that gun control is a fashionable cause among virtue-signalling sectors of the media, by choosing this issue as a battleground the ALP has not only shielded itself from scrutiny but has co-opted press sympathisers to act as a cheer squad.


More here- https://thebigsmoke.com.au/2018/10/29/when-election-campaign-fizzles-rub-gun-par...
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Reply #4 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:41am
 
How typical of you to characterise the most trusted broadcaster in Australia as being somehow "evil" and "Leftist", Baron.   Perhaps you need to reacquaint yourself with Australian society and it's values?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:15am
 
Would it really do any harm to review all of the restrictions placed on your citizens? It is my understanding that your restrictions include regulating the ownership of the Daisy Red Rider BB gun. A smooth bore, spring powered device that might shoot your eye out per "A Christmas Story"!

Are your people so indoctrinated by your time as a colony of a Monarchy that you still feel the population is subservient to government? Would it really be so bad to go down a list of restrictions and say some of them serve no reasonable purpose and delete them? Occasionally we have a burst of common sense here and remove pointless restrictions. Maybe your government needs a little common sense gun law reviews. The likelihood that something will be used in a crime is a good indication of whether it should be restricted or not.

"Because you don't need that" isn't a valid reason to restrict!
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Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:34am
 
MortDooley.

Just because Australia represents the 'Thief' on the hill, that accepted the love of God (and keeps the Union Jack 'faith') while on the other side of Jesus being crucified, is the 'Thief' that represents the USA and 'rejected' Jesus (Union Jack).

Basically, just because the USA became a 'privatised' Political nation which will soon be held accountable for its 'International' crimes (Yankees thinking that just because they beat the Confederates on a 'domestic' front, they can do what they like on the International scene  Roll Eyes)

Considering your Political & Military industries are empowered by the 'top of the pyramid' (unlike your Art Industry, which is bottom of the pyramid) - why your nation should 'arm its populace' as if they are Military is ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND STUPID.
If your population can NOT have faith in its own Government or Military - then who can they have faith in at all.

USA needs to HTFU and make its mind up.
Arm the Military or Arm the People.
Only Military should have guns (weapons) - not Police and definitely not People.
Or maybe you think its ok to let everyone have drugs besides the Medical Industry?  Huh

Maybe your argument is that decriminalising it all is the best way from preventing it going 'underground' so to speak?
If that's the case - then de-criminalise Peadophilia, I mean - it will stop it going 'under-ground' right!?  Roll Eyes

I think your country has lost the plot.
I think your country is stuck in the past, even if it is indeed at the End of the World back there in the 'rear' of the International Dateline.

Farmers have a pest problem and need things shot?
Then 'hire' a soldier (good training practice).

Your nation is now a nation of TERRORISTS.
USA IS A TERRORIST NATION.
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Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:15am:
Would it really do any harm to review all of the restrictions placed on your citizens? It is my understanding that your restrictions include regulating the ownership of the Daisy Red Rider BB gun. A smooth bore, spring powered device that might shoot your eye out per "A Christmas Story"!

Are your people so indoctrinated by your time as a colony of a Monarchy that you still feel the population is subservient to government? Would it really be so bad to go down a list of restrictions and say some of them serve no reasonable purpose and delete them? Occasionally we have a burst of common sense here and remove pointless restrictions. Maybe your government needs a little common sense gun law reviews. The likelihood that something will be used in a crime is a good indication of whether it should be restricted or not.

"Because you don't need that" isn't a valid reason to restrict!


The restrictions have not resulted in fewer firearms.  Just fewer firearms of the types that Cowboys and lunatics seem to prefer.  There are now more firearms in private hands than there were before Port Arthur.   So, the claim that Australia has been disarmed are completely false, which is so typical of the US NRA - relying on lies and innuendo to create an atmosphere of fear to justify their acquisition of firearms of types unsuitable to hunting.

Our firearm laws are suitable to Australian society - firearms ownership has always been a privilege, not a "right" downunder.   Scoot back to America, please with your bullshit.  The overwhelming majority of Australians are quite happy with the gun laws we have...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:09pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:15am:
Would it really do any harm to review all of the restrictions placed on your citizens? It is my understanding that your restrictions include regulating the ownership of the Daisy Red Rider BB gun. A smooth bore, spring powered device that might shoot your eye out per "A Christmas Story"!

Are your people so indoctrinated by your time as a colony of a Monarchy that you still feel the population is subservient to government? Would it really be so bad to go down a list of restrictions and say some of them serve no reasonable purpose and delete them? Occasionally we have a burst of common sense here and remove pointless restrictions. Maybe your government needs a little common sense gun law reviews. The likelihood that something will be used in a crime is a good indication of whether it should be restricted or not.

"Because you don't need that" isn't a valid reason to restrict!


The restrictions have not resulted in fewer firearms.  Just fewer firearms of the types that Cowboys and lunatics seem to prefer.  There are now more firearms in private hands than there were before Port Arthur.   So, the claim that Australia has been disarmed are completely false, which is so typical of the US NRA - relying on lies and innuendo to create an atmosphere of fear to justify their acquisition of firearms of types unsuitable to hunting.

Our firearm laws are suitable to Australian society - firearms ownership has always been a privilege, not a "right" downunder.   Scoot back to America, please with your bullshit.  The overwhelming majority of Australians are quite happy with the gun laws we have...   Roll Eyes



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Reply #9 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 12:40am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:15am:
Would it really do any harm to review all of the restrictions placed on your citizens? It is my understanding that your restrictions include regulating the ownership of the Daisy Red Rider BB gun. A smooth bore, spring powered device that might shoot your eye out per "A Christmas Story"!

Are your people so indoctrinated by your time as a colony of a Monarchy that you still feel the population is subservient to government? Would it really be so bad to go down a list of restrictions and say some of them serve no reasonable purpose and delete them? Occasionally we have a burst of common sense here and remove pointless restrictions. Maybe your government needs a little common sense gun law reviews. The likelihood that something will be used in a crime is a good indication of whether it should be restricted or not.

"Because you don't need that" isn't a valid reason to restrict!


The restrictions have not resulted in fewer firearms.  Just fewer firearms of the types that Cowboys and lunatics seem to prefer.  There are now more firearms in private hands than there were before Port Arthur.   So, the claim that Australia has been disarmed are completely false, which is so typical of the US NRA - relying on lies and innuendo to create an atmosphere of fear to justify their acquisition of firearms of types unsuitable to hunting.

Our firearm laws are suitable to Australian society - firearms ownership has always been a privilege, not a "right" downunder.   Scoot back to America, please with your bullshit.  The overwhelming majority of Australians are quite happy with the gun laws we have...   Roll Eyes




Privilege is for children and employees, Citizens have Rights even if they are not recognized by their country. While I am not criticizing your system, self defense in your country seems to be less than a privilege and can result in prosecution! Your legal system is based on throwing innocent people to the wolves as in Russian folk lore. 

The troika hurtles across the frozen plain. The wolves are close behind, and from time to time a peasant is hurled from the sleigh in the hope of letting the more important people escape. But nothing distracts the pack for long, not even when the occupants of the sleigh move up the pecking order and throw a couple of minor aristocrats to the wolves.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/7033/did-travelers-by-troika-throw-...

We have totally different views about how responsible your fellow citizens are, I give them more credit than you! Since your family tree does not include convict immigrants you are clearly the superior man!
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Reply #10 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 12:42am
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:15am:
Would it really do any harm to review all of the restrictions placed on your citizens? It is my understanding that your restrictions include regulating the ownership of the Daisy Red Rider BB gun. A smooth bore, spring powered device that might shoot your eye out per "A Christmas Story"!

Are your people so indoctrinated by your time as a colony of a Monarchy that you still feel the population is subservient to government? Would it really be so bad to go down a list of restrictions and say some of them serve no reasonable purpose and delete them? Occasionally we have a burst of common sense here and remove pointless restrictions. Maybe your government needs a little common sense gun law reviews. The likelihood that something will be used in a crime is a good indication of whether it should be restricted or not.

"Because you don't need that" isn't a valid reason to restrict!


The restrictions have not resulted in fewer firearms.  Just fewer firearms of the types that Cowboys and lunatics seem to prefer.  There are now more firearms in private hands than there were before Port Arthur.   So, the claim that Australia has been disarmed are completely false, which is so typical of the US NRA - relying on lies and innuendo to create an atmosphere of fear to justify their acquisition of firearms of types unsuitable to hunting.

Our firearm laws are suitable to Australian society - firearms ownership has always been a privilege, not a "right" downunder.   Scoot back to America, please with your bullshit.  The overwhelming majority of Australians are quite happy with the gun laws we have...   Roll Eyes



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Reply #11 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 1:09am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 12:42am:
Jasin wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:15am:
Would it really do any harm to review all of the restrictions placed on your citizens? It is my understanding that your restrictions include regulating the ownership of the Daisy Red Rider BB gun. A smooth bore, spring powered device that might shoot your eye out per "A Christmas Story"!

Are your people so indoctrinated by your time as a colony of a Monarchy that you still feel the population is subservient to government? Would it really be so bad to go down a list of restrictions and say some of them serve no reasonable purpose and delete them? Occasionally we have a burst of common sense here and remove pointless restrictions. Maybe your government needs a little common sense gun law reviews. The likelihood that something will be used in a crime is a good indication of whether it should be restricted or not.

"Because you don't need that" isn't a valid reason to restrict!


The restrictions have not resulted in fewer firearms.  Just fewer firearms of the types that Cowboys and lunatics seem to prefer.  There are now more firearms in private hands than there were before Port Arthur.   So, the claim that Australia has been disarmed are completely false, which is so typical of the US NRA - relying on lies and innuendo to create an atmosphere of fear to justify their acquisition of firearms of types unsuitable to hunting.

Our firearm laws are suitable to Australian society - firearms ownership has always been a privilege, not a "right" downunder.   Scoot back to America, please with your bullshit.  The overwhelming majority of Australians are quite happy with the gun laws we have...   Roll Eyes



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It doesn't take much to make you panty wetters frightened!
Just a point. You are the one insisting on owning and carrying firearms because you are scared of criminals Mort.
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USA IS A JEWISH NATION

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Reply #13 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:14am
 
rhino wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 1:09am:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 12:42am:
Jasin wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:10pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 12:15am:
Would it really do any harm to review all of the restrictions placed on your citizens? It is my understanding that your restrictions include regulating the ownership of the Daisy Red Rider BB gun. A smooth bore, spring powered device that might shoot your eye out per "A Christmas Story"!

Are your people so indoctrinated by your time as a colony of a Monarchy that you still feel the population is subservient to government? Would it really be so bad to go down a list of restrictions and say some of them serve no reasonable purpose and delete them? Occasionally we have a burst of common sense here and remove pointless restrictions. Maybe your government needs a little common sense gun law reviews. The likelihood that something will be used in a crime is a good indication of whether it should be restricted or not.

"Because you don't need that" isn't a valid reason to restrict!


The restrictions have not resulted in fewer firearms.  Just fewer firearms of the types that Cowboys and lunatics seem to prefer.  There are now more firearms in private hands than there were before Port Arthur.   So, the claim that Australia has been disarmed are completely false, which is so typical of the US NRA - relying on lies and innuendo to create an atmosphere of fear to justify their acquisition of firearms of types unsuitable to hunting.

Our firearm laws are suitable to Australian society - firearms ownership has always been a privilege, not a "right" downunder.   Scoot back to America, please with your bullshit.  The overwhelming majority of Australians are quite happy with the gun laws we have...   Roll Eyes



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It doesn't take much to make you panty wetters frightened!
Just a point. You are the one insisting on owning and carrying firearms because you are scared of criminals Mort.



Why would I be afraid, I carry a gun to protect what I love! If others choose not to I am fine with that.
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Reply #14 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 2:27pm
 
Americans need guns because no-one likes them.
They are a lone wolf, they are a law unto themselves.
They are a crazed maverick of selfish design.
They don't conform to the International scene.
They are a 'Privatised' Political system.
They are all Jewish and we know, by the look of Israel - it is just an 'Empire' of Military agendas.

...they are all 'Criminals'  Wink
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