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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #15 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:53pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bigots, racists, homophobes and Islamophobes -

have a right to their opinion in a free society.

The left wing of politics wants to control the way you think.
It's Big Brother politics.

They have a right to an opinion.

I also have the right to be offended, and to not support you if you express that right.

What the free speech advocates really want is to be able to say whatever they want without consequences. They demand that people treat them equally with respect notwithstanding they've just insulted a person or their kin.

You can't have it both ways.

If you believe that someone's opinion is wrong then what's the problem?

Do you have a problem with this opinion?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

Yes, because it seeks to dehumanize people.

Do you think that dehumanization is acceptable?

A guy from Queensland has had his future destroyed because he questioned aboriginal only computer rooms at his ex uni. Is that constructive argument from the left?

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #16 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:53pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Folau said gays are going to hell because that's what god botherers believe.

Not all Christians or Jews believe that. Folau does. Just because his beliefs are based on scripture, doesn't mean that he gets a pass from social sanction or criticism.

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Now you don't have to say something like" Hitler was a great man"

What if a person believe that Hitler was a prophet of God, would that statement then be acceptable because it's now under the cloak of 'religion'?

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

All you have to do is to say something the left don't agree with

Most of the things the Left don't agree with are things that our ancestors spilt blood to fight against: racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc.

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #17 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:54pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bigots, racists, homophobes and Islamophobes -

have a right to their opinion in a free society.

The left wing of politics wants to control the way you think.
It's Big Brother politics.

They have a right to an opinion.

I also have the right to be offended, and to not support you if you express that right.

What the free speech advocates really want is to be able to say whatever they want without consequences. They demand that people treat them equally with respect notwithstanding they've just insulted a person or their kin.

You can't have it both ways.

If you believe that someone's opinion is wrong then what's the problem?

Do you have a problem with this opinion?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

Yes, because it seeks to dehumanize people.

Do you think that dehumanization is acceptable?

A guy from Queensland has had his future destroyed because he questioned aboriginal only computer rooms at his ex uni. Is that constructive argument from the left?

With these kind of 'anecdotes' I often find there's usually more than meets the eye.

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #18 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:02pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bigots, racists, homophobes and Islamophobes -

have a right to their opinion in a free society.

The left wing of politics wants to control the way you think.
It's Big Brother politics.

They have a right to an opinion.

I also have the right to be offended, and to not support you if you express that right.

What the free speech advocates really want is to be able to say whatever they want without consequences. They demand that people treat them equally with respect notwithstanding they've just insulted a person or their kin.

You can't have it both ways.

If you believe that someone's opinion is wrong then what's the problem?

Do you have a problem with this opinion?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

Yes, because it seeks to dehumanize people.

Do you think that dehumanization is acceptable?

A guy from Queensland has had his future destroyed because he questioned aboriginal only computer rooms at his ex uni. Is that constructive argument from the left?

With these kind of 'anecdotes' I often find there's usually more than meets the eye.

Because lefties are as nasty and even nastier than the right. That's why leftism is unpopular. That's my point. They are not at all morally superiour. They are authoritarian and nasty.

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #19 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:04pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:02pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bigots, racists, homophobes and Islamophobes -

have a right to their opinion in a free society.

The left wing of politics wants to control the way you think.
It's Big Brother politics.

They have a right to an opinion.

I also have the right to be offended, and to not support you if you express that right.

What the free speech advocates really want is to be able to say whatever they want without consequences. They demand that people treat them equally with respect notwithstanding they've just insulted a person or their kin.

You can't have it both ways.

If you believe that someone's opinion is wrong then what's the problem?

Do you have a problem with this opinion?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

Yes, because it seeks to dehumanize people.

Do you think that dehumanization is acceptable?

A guy from Queensland has had his future destroyed because he questioned aboriginal only computer rooms at his ex uni. Is that constructive argument from the left?

With these kind of 'anecdotes' I often find there's usually more than meets the eye.

Because lefties are as nasty and even nastier than the right. That's why leftism is unpopular. That's my point. They are not at all morally superiour. They are authoritarian and nasty.

If a university did that, Hammer, the student would've been able to sue and win.

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #20 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:18pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:02pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 5:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bigots, racists, homophobes and Islamophobes -

have a right to their opinion in a free society.

The left wing of politics wants to control the way you think.
It's Big Brother politics.

They have a right to an opinion.

I also have the right to be offended, and to not support you if you express that right.

What the free speech advocates really want is to be able to say whatever they want without consequences. They demand that people treat them equally with respect notwithstanding they've just insulted a person or their kin.

You can't have it both ways.

If you believe that someone's opinion is wrong then what's the problem?

Do you have a problem with this opinion?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

Yes, because it seeks to dehumanize people.

Do you think that dehumanization is acceptable?

A guy from Queensland has had his future destroyed because he questioned aboriginal only computer rooms at his ex uni. Is that constructive argument from the left?

With these kind of 'anecdotes' I often find there's usually more than meets the eye.

Because lefties are as nasty and even nastier than the right. That's why leftism is unpopular. That's my point. They are not at all morally superiour. They are authoritarian and nasty.

If a university did that, Hammer, the student would've been able to sue and win.

It was Trigg's who financed it. I think he did sue them. I'll have to look it up. While I'm ranting let's get back to Joyce. He didn't like Folau's gay comment and tried to destroy him. But a few years earlier he cut the hours and payrates of baggage handlers, cooks etc at QANTAS so his bigwigs could maintain their overinflated salaries. Even sent a load of their jobs off to the 3rd world so they could pay them peanuts. When the QANTAS workers went out on strike he threatened to sack them all. He's a maggot of the highest order masquerading as a humanitarian.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115490 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The problem with conservatism Reply #21 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:20pm So we have Sudanese gangs terrorising our Melbourne suburbs and it's not OK to depict the truth in an image? What is your solution to the problem of home invasions?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60982 Here Gender:	Re: The problem with conservatism Reply #22 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:32pm Quote: The problem with conservatism I have never understood why conservatism is so closely aligned with being as mean and nasty as possible and then somehow being proud of it ?
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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #23 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:20pm:

So we have Sudanese gangs terrorising our Melbourne suburbs
and it's not OK to depict the truth in an image?

What is your solution to the problem of home invasions?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

The poster does not only refer to Sudanese migrants in Melbourne. It equally applies to 10's of thousands of perfectly peaceful integrated black people across all of Australia.

The poster demonises innocent people while doing absolutely nothing constructive about any problem.

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #24 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:42pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:18pm:

But a few years earlier he cut the hours and payrates of baggage handlers, cooks etc at QANTAS so his bigwigs could maintain their overinflated salaries. Even sent a load of their jobs off to the 3rd world so they could pay them peanuts. When the QANTAS workers went out on strike he threatened to sack them all. He's a maggot of the highest order masquerading as a humanitarian.

False equivalence.

Joyce wasn't being a humanitarian when he cut funding to Folau; he was just deeply offended. I would've done exactly the same thing.

Let me ask you a question: if ScoMo called Mr Hammer a farque wit on television and started hurling abuse at you, would you vote him?

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #25 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:20pm:

So we have Sudanese gangs terrorising our Melbourne suburbs
and it's not OK to depict the truth in an image?

What is your solution to the problem of home invasions?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

The truth. Is the Truth that Sudanese men are more animal than human because they come from Africa?? Or is it that maybe there are a variety of other social reasons for it?

Do you think that Valkie's right when he says that these Sudanese have a bit of 'monkey DNA' in them?

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #26 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:20pm:

So we have Sudanese gangs terrorising our Melbourne suburbs
and it's not OK to depict the truth in an image?

What is your solution to the problem of home invasions?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

The poster does not only refer to Sudanese migrants in Melbourne. It equally applies to 10's of thousands of perfectly peaceful integrated black people across all of Australia.

The poster demonises innocent people while doing absolutely nothing constructive about any problem.

Rubbish - it says we have to catch them and deport them.
It sounds like a solution to me.

What is your solution?

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Reply #27 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 8:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 7:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 6:20pm:

So we have Sudanese gangs terrorising our Melbourne suburbs
and it's not OK to depict the truth in an image?

What is your solution to the problem of home invasions?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Sudanese_crime_gangs_002.jpg

The poster does not only refer to Sudanese migrants in Melbourne. It equally applies to 10's of thousands of perfectly peaceful integrated black people across all of Australia.

The poster demonises innocent people while doing absolutely nothing constructive about any problem.

Rubbish - it says we have to catch them and deport them.
It sounds like a solution to me.

What is your solution?

You have no issue with targeting many thousands of innocent people ? Damn lousy solution causing more damage than result.

My solution would be to catch them and deport them or imprison them.
That is the guilty people. No action against the innocent.

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #28 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 9:09pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 3:02pm:

The problem with conservatism is that it's almost impossible to NOT get into bed with bigots, racists, homophobes and Islamophobes. Even if you try to be decent conservative, most people cannot show restraint, which ultimately forces them to the extreme.

The other problem is that whatever policy the government puts into practice is eventually absorbed by society and becomes socially-acceptable. For e.g. enforcing racial integration in America (via the government's coercive power) has led to a greater acceptance of racial tolerance and anti-racism.

By repealing same-sex marriage, or by significantly reducing immigration, the government would only be giving social sanction to homophobes and xenophobes. The idea is to shape society into being more accepting and tolerant. E.g. forcing religious schools to accept gays will lead to a society that is more accepting of gays and lesbians.

It's impossible to really be a decent conservative now; it's really about whether or not you're a bigot or not a bigot.

You are an idiot - the perennial problem with all 'the problem with [your idiotic incomprehension here]' idiots like you.

Run, Forrest, run.

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Re: The problem with conservatism
Reply #29 - Oct 21^st, 2018 at 9:38pm

Frank wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 9:09pm:

Auggie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2018 at 3:02pm:

The problem with conservatism is that it's almost impossible to NOT get into bed with bigots, racists, homophobes and Islamophobes. Even if you try to be decent conservative, most people cannot show restraint, which ultimately forces them to the extreme.

The other problem is that whatever policy the government puts into practice is eventually absorbed by society and becomes socially-acceptable. For e.g. enforcing racial integration in America (via the government's coercive power) has led to a greater acceptance of racial tolerance and anti-racism.

By repealing same-sex marriage, or by significantly reducing immigration, the government would only be giving social sanction to homophobes and xenophobes. The idea is to shape society into being more accepting and tolerant. E.g. forcing religious schools to accept gays will lead to a society that is more accepting of gays and lesbians.

It's impossible to really be a decent conservative now; it's really about whether or not you're a bigot or not a bigot.

You are an idiot - the perennial problem with all 'the problem with [your idiotic incomprehension here]' idiots like you.

Run, Forrest, run.

Thank you, you've just perfectly demonstrated the exact problem with conservatism by how you conducted yourself just now.

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