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Reply #135 - Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:07am
 
AiA wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 8:55am:
Panther doesn't understand that overturning Roe v Wade means that the decision on the legality of abortion goes to the states, not that access to legal abortion is suddenly abolished across the board.


Oh, Panther understands this quite well, that why Panther has advocated for returning the decision to the States rather than outlawing abortion en masse.

Like Panther said earlier......one step at a time....just one step at a time.....Roe v Wade will fall simply because it's withered on the vine.....a tiger without any teeth....

The Supreme Court will not have to, or be able to, force the States to comply with a "National Abortion Right", the individual States will have to adjudicate it/legislate it.  Eventually the SCOTUS will refuse to hear any new Abortion Rights Cases.....they will defer all requests for intervention to the District Courts.  The National "Right" to have an abortion will exist no longer...... Wink

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Reply #136 - Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:13am
 
Panther wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:07am:
AiA wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 8:55am:
Panther doesn't understand that overturning Roe v Wade means that the decision on the legality of abortion goes to the states, not that access to legal abortion is suddenly abolished across the board.


Oh, Panther understands this quite well, that why Panther has advocated for returning the decision to the States rather than outlawing abortion en masse.

Like Panther said earlier......one step at a time....just one step at a time.....Roe v Wade will fall simply because it's withered on the vine.....a tiger without any teeth....

The Supreme Court will not have to, or be able to, force the States to comply with a "National Abortion Right", the individual States will have to adjudicate it/legislate it.  Wink



No, you don't fully understand. Conservative judges, by and large, do not want to see Roe v Wade overturned because of the cultural and political and economic tsunami that would follow.
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Reply #137 - Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:19am
 
AiA wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Panther wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:07am:
AiA wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 8:55am:
Panther doesn't understand that overturning Roe v Wade means that the decision on the legality of abortion goes to the states, not that access to legal abortion is suddenly abolished across the board.


Oh, Panther understands this quite well, that why Panther has advocated for returning the decision to the States rather than outlawing abortion en masse.

Like Panther said earlier......one step at a time....just one step at a time.....Roe v Wade will fall simply because it's withered on the vine.....a tiger without any teeth....

The Supreme Court will not have to, or be able to, force the States to comply with a "National Abortion Right", the individual States will have to adjudicate it/legislate it.  Eventually the SCOTUS will refuse to hear any new Abortion Rights Cases.....they will defer all requests for intervention to the District Courts.  The National "Right" to have an abortion will exist no longer...... Wink



No, you don't fully understand. Conservative judges, by and large, do not want to see Roe v Wade overturned because of the cultural and political and economic tsunami that would follow.


Exactly.....I agree......that's why I stated what I did above.....put a line through OVERTURNED, the point becomes moot when they simply refuse to hear any 'new' cases on the matter, & defer all jurisdiction to the lower courts (effectively, the States). Wink
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Reply #138 - Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:31am
 
What would happen in the event of Roe v Wade being overturned and let's say a handful of states make abortion criminal, you would see an exodus of economic and cultural capital away from those states and towards more progressive states. So the progressive states would *win*. There is plenty of historical evidence that this would happen, right up until right now with corporations like Amazon and Paypal shying away from states with "religious liberty" laws. But the country as a whole would lose, just like when slavery was outlawed in some states and not in others. Then pressure would build, things would come to a head, an ugly head, with progressives *winning* again.

That is why most conservative judges don't want to see it overturned. And neither does the public.
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Reply #139 - Oct 20th, 2018 at 10:05am
 
AiA wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:31am:
What would happen in the event of Roe v Wade being overturned and let's say a handful of states make abortion criminal, you would see an exodus of economic and cultural capital away from those states and towards more progressive states. So the progressive states would *win*. There is plenty of historical evidence that this would happen, right up until right now with corporations like Amazon and Paypal shying away from states with "religious liberty" laws. But the country as a whole would lose, just like when slavery was outlawed in some states and not in others. Then pressure would build, things would come to a head, an ugly head, with progressives *winning* again.

That is why most conservative judges don't want to see it overturned. And neither does the public.


That's why overturning it isn't necessary.

The States will legislate according to the will of their voters......not just the baby-killers, but all their people (if the majority of voters don't want abortion they won't have it, but the reverse also applies). If the State legislates to curb abortions, & the majority agrees, those that don't are free to relocate (which would be a major decision for most)....or simply travel to kill their babies.  Wink

But the most important issue here is not whether abortion is abolished per se,  it is that it's become a States issue, no longer a "Constitutional Rights" issue, because the SCOTUS can & will, Constitutionally, refuse to hear any 'new' abortion cases, & simply defer all jurisdiction in the matter to the States via District, or lower appellate Courts. Wink
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Reply #140 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:04am
 
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Reply #141 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:56am
 
Panther wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 10:05am:
AiA wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:31am:
What would happen in the event of Roe v Wade being overturned and let's say a handful of states make abortion criminal, you would see an exodus of economic and cultural capital away from those states and towards more progressive states. So the progressive states would *win*. There is plenty of historical evidence that this would happen, right up until right now with corporations like Amazon and Paypal shying away from states with "religious liberty" laws. But the country as a whole would lose, just like when slavery was outlawed in some states and not in others. Then pressure would build, things would come to a head, an ugly head, with progressives *winning* again.

That is why most conservative judges don't want to see it overturned. And neither does the public.


That's why overturning it isn't necessary.

The States will legislate according to the will of their voters......not just the baby-killers, but all their people (if the majority of voters don't want abortion they won't have it, but the reverse also applies). If the State legislates to curb abortions, & the majority agrees, those that don't are free to relocate (which would be a major decision for most)....or simply travel to kill their babies.  Wink

But the most important issue here is not whether abortion is abolished per se,  it is that it's become a States issue, no longer a "Constitutional Rights" issue, because the SCOTUS can & will, Constitutionally, refuse to hear any 'new' abortion cases, & simply defer all jurisdiction in the matter to the States via District, or lower appellate Courts. Wink


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The States will legislate according to the will of their voters..


What a silly thing to say - the politicians will legislate in support of their primary lobby groups.

The will of the people has not been a factor in US politics for many decades.
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Reply #142 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:02am
 
A few states will continue chipping away at the right of women to control their own body but sooner or later the tide will turn against them rather sharply.

These so-called *conservatives* are hitting up against the limits of their cultural influence and so are trying to grab all the political power they can. It doesn't look good for them in the long run.
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Reply #143 - Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:11am
 
AiA wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:02am:
A few states will continue chipping away at the right of women to control their own body but sooner or later the tide will turn against them rather sharply.

These so-called *conservatives* are hitting up against the limits of their cultural influence and so are trying to grab all the political power they can. It doesn't look good for them in the long run.


They already can take control of their own bodies you nincompoop...

How about they take contraception if they are going out to bang ;Ike stormy Daniels every chance they get..
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Reply #144 - Oct 22nd, 2018 at 8:59am
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 7:56am:
Panther wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 10:05am:
AiA wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 9:31am:
What would happen in the event of Roe v Wade being overturned and let's say a handful of states make abortion criminal, you would see an exodus of economic and cultural capital away from those states and towards more progressive states. So the progressive states would *win*. There is plenty of historical evidence that this would happen, right up until right now with corporations like Amazon and Paypal shying away from states with "religious liberty" laws. But the country as a whole would lose, just like when slavery was outlawed in some states and not in others. Then pressure would build, things would come to a head, an ugly head, with progressives *winning* again.

That is why most conservative judges don't want to see it overturned. And neither does the public.


That's why overturning it isn't necessary.

The States will legislate according to the will of their voters......not just the baby-killers, but all their people (if the majority of voters don't want abortion they won't have it, but the reverse also applies). If the State legislates to curb abortions, & the majority agrees, those that don't are free to relocate (which would be a major decision for most)....or simply travel to kill their babies.  Wink

But the most important issue here is not whether abortion is abolished per se,  it is that it's become a States issue, no longer a "Constitutional Rights" issue, because the SCOTUS can & will, Constitutionally, refuse to hear any 'new' abortion cases, & simply defer all jurisdiction in the matter to the States via District, or lower appellate Courts. Wink


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The States will legislate according to the will of their voters..


What a silly thing to say - the politicians will legislate in support of their primary lobby groups.

The will of the people has not been a factor in US politics for many decades.


The big difference is that in America, in local State Government they have what is called a recall vote, petition, & election, where the People can vote to recall & remove any State politician that refuses to honor the will of the People.


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A recall election (also called a recall referendum or representative recall) is a procedure by which, in certain polities, voters can remove an elected official from office through a direct vote before that official's term has ended. Recalls, which are initiated when sufficient voters sign a petition, have a history dating back to ancient Athenian democracy[1] and feature in several contemporary constitutions. In indirect or representative democracy, people's representatives are elected and these representatives rule for a specific period of time. However, where the facility to recall exists, should any representative come to be perceived as not properly discharging their responsibilities, then they can be called back with the written request of specific number or proportion of voters.


That's why reverting the "Abortion Rights" back to the States is a way of bringing approval or disapproval of the matter back to direct control of the People, & keeping the Federal Politicians out of the picture, & control of the issue out of the hands of the Federal Government. Wink


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That's why overturning it isn't necessary.

The States will legislate according to the will of their voters......not just the baby-killers, but all their people (if the majority of voters don't want abortion they won't have it, but the reverse also applies). If the State legislates to curb abortions, & the majority agrees, those that don't are free to relocate (which would be a major decision for most)....or simply travel to kill their babies.   Smiley

But the most important issue here is not whether abortion is abolished per se,  it is that it's become a States issue, no longer a "Constitutional Rights" issue, because the SCOTUS can & will, Constitutionally, refuse to hear any 'new' abortion cases, & simply defer all jurisdiction in the matter to the States via District, or lower appellate Courts.     Wink

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Reply #145 - Oct 22nd, 2018 at 9:00am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:11am:
AiA wrote on Oct 21st, 2018 at 8:02am:
A few states will continue chipping away at the right of women to control their own body but sooner or later the tide will turn against them rather sharply.

These so-called *conservatives* are hitting up against the limits of their cultural influence and so are trying to grab all the political power they can. It doesn't look good for them in the long run.


They already can take control of their own bodies you nincompoop...

How about they take contraception if they are going out to bang ;Ike stormy Daniels every chance they get..




You do realise, that apart from abstinence, no contraceptive technique is 100% effective.
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Reply #146 - Oct 22nd, 2018 at 9:28am
 
And many are refused or have their funding stripped away by the same people fighting against womens rights.
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Reply #147 - Oct 23rd, 2018 at 9:09pm
 
Panther wrote on Oct 20th, 2018 at 8:25am:
We shall see, we shall see.......

What? Your inability to address Raven's post. Oh we've seen it.
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