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Dnarever wrote on Oct 21 st, 2018 at 7:56am: Panther wrote on Oct 20 th, 2018 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on Oct 20 th, 2018 at 9:31am: What would happen in the event of Roe v Wade being overturned and let's say a handful of states make abortion criminal, you would see an exodus of economic and cultural capital away from those states and towards more progressive states. So the progressive states would *win*. There is plenty of historical evidence that this would happen, right up until right now with corporations like Amazon and Paypal shying away from states with "religious liberty" laws. But the country as a whole would lose, just like when slavery was outlawed in some states and not in others. Then pressure would build, things would come to a head, an ugly head, with progressives *winning* again.
That is why most conservative judges don't want to see it overturned. And neither does the public. That's why overturning it isn't necessary.
The States will legislate according to the will of their voters......not just the baby-killers, but all their people (if the majority of voters don't want abortion they won't have it, but the reverse also applies). If the State legislates to curb abortions, & the majority agrees, those that don't are free to relocate (which would be a major decision for most)....or simply travel to kill their babies.
But the most important issue here is not whether abortion is abolished per se, it is that it's become a States issue, no longer a "Constitutional Rights" issue, because the SCOTUS can & will, Constitutionally, refuse to hear any 'new' abortion cases, & simply defer all jurisdiction in the matter to the States via District, or lower appellate Courts. Quote:The States will legislate according to the will of their voters.. What a silly thing to say - the politicians will legislate in support of their primary lobby groups. The will of the people has not been a factor in US politics for many decades. The big difference is that in America, in local State Government they have what is called a recall vote, petition, & election, where the People can vote to recall & remove any State politician that refuses to honor the will of the People. Source: Quote:A recall election (also called a recall referendum or representative recall) is a procedure by which, in certain polities, voters can remove an elected official from office through a direct vote before that official's term has ended. Recalls, which are initiated when sufficient voters sign a petition, have a history dating back to ancient Athenian democracy[1] and feature in several contemporary constitutions. In indirect or representative democracy, people's representatives are elected and these representatives rule for a specific period of time. However, where the facility to recall exists, should any representative come to be perceived as not properly discharging their responsibilities, then they can be called back with the written request of specific number or proportion of voters. That's why reverting the "Abortion Rights" back to the States is a way of bringing approval or disapproval of the matter back to direct control of the People, & keeping the Federal Politicians out of the picture, & control of the issue out of the hands of the Federal Government. Quote:That's why overturning it isn't necessary.
The States will legislate according to the will of their voters......not just the baby-killers, but all their people (if the majority of voters don't want abortion they won't have it, but the reverse also applies). If the State legislates to curb abortions, & the majority agrees, those that don't are free to relocate (which would be a major decision for most)....or simply travel to kill their babies.
But the most important issue here is not whether abortion is abolished per se, it is that it's become a States issue, no longer a "Constitutional Rights" issue, because the SCOTUS can & will, Constitutionally, refuse to hear any 'new' abortion cases, & simply defer all jurisdiction in the matter to the States via District, or lower appellate Courts.
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