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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #60 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:14pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:05pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 6:53am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

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They've been posted in this forum a hundred times.

You have posted some kind of evidence a few times. You got laughed off the board every time. So now you just repeat the claim but are afraid to produce the evidence.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims.

You are afraid of being laughed at when you trot out some new "evidence" to back up your claims, because you know the old evidence you presented doesn't really help your argument.

But feel free to prove me wrong. You've done it hundreds of times already, apparently.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims, or jellyfish.

We're all scared of jellyfish, Greggery, but don't you worry. FD will come back with a credible source, you'll see. He's quite keen to prove your 2% theory to be no more than rigged apologist figures - a pathetic hack-job perpetrated for no other reason than to make the Muselman seem okay.

As for the death count, FD will show how this was caused by nothing more than a bit of harmless graffiti. You know, just a bit of healthy, white supremacist self-expression. All good, clean fun.

FD's probably collating his evidence as we speak. He'll be back. FD'll wipe that grin off your face, don't you worry about that.

It's Greg's claim, not mine. If he is too scared to back it up, that's good enough for me.

He has backed it up, FD.

He 'backed it up' with a single reference to Beenish Ahmed's story in the ThinkProgress (natch) Cheesy

Cheesy

) and I have shown how Ahmed completely misrepresented the Europol reports on which her 'report' was supposedly based. She also restricts herself to 2012-13 to slant her defence of her fellow Muslims.
The rest of Turd's quotes are not backed up and I expect the same sort of distortion and misrepresentation for of them as with the Ahmed nonsense.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/746578/number-of-arrested-terror-suspects-in...

Majority of terrorists who have attacked America are not Muslim, new study finds

Less Than 2 Percent Of Terrorist Attacks In The E.U. Are Religiously Motivated

1. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/terrorism-right-wi...

2. https://thinkprogress.org/less-than-2-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-in-the-e-u-ar...

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We know about Amerika, Greggery. We're onto Europe. The old boy claims your study focuses on only one year. Is this correct?

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Reply #61 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:27pm

Europe:

"In 2013, there were 152 terrorist attacks in the EU. Two of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2012, there were 219 terrorist attacks in EU countries, six of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2011, not one of the 174 terrorist attacks in EU countries in 2011 were “affiliated or inspired” by Islamist terrorist organizations.

"2010, 249 terrorist attacks, three of them were considered by Europol to be “Islamist.”

"In 2009, of 294 terrorist attacks, only one was related to Islamist militancy .”

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Reply #62 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:36pm

The Reveal report referenced by the Independent is long and detailed 9much more than the Ahmed whitewash attempt in defence/downplay of Muslim terrorists in Europe.

But I do notice that the claims turd is making with reference to the Reveal report are hugely slanted:
A 2011 Heritage Foundation study, based on terrorism data collected by the RAND Corp., found that between 2001 and 2009, there were 91 homegrown terrorist attacks of all kinds against the United States, while there were 380 terrorist attacks against U.S. targets abroad.

This is important and obvious.

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Reply #63 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Europe:

"In 2013, there were 152 terrorist attacks in the EU. Two of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2012, there were 219 terrorist attacks in EU countries, six of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2011, not one of the 174 terrorist attacks in EU countries in 2011 were “affiliated or inspired” by Islamist terrorist organizations.

"2010, 249 terrorist attacks, three of them were considered by Europol to be “Islamist.”

"In 2009, of 294 terrorist attacks, only one was related to Islamist militancy .”

Thanks, Greggery. I think that settles that.

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Reply #64 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:45pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:17pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:05pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 6:53am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

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They've been posted in this forum a hundred times.

You have posted some kind of evidence a few times. You got laughed off the board every time. So now you just repeat the claim but are afraid to produce the evidence.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims.

You are afraid of being laughed at when you trot out some new "evidence" to back up your claims, because you know the old evidence you presented doesn't really help your argument.

But feel free to prove me wrong. You've done it hundreds of times already, apparently.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims, or jellyfish.

We're all scared of jellyfish, Greggery, but don't you worry. FD will come back with a credible source, you'll see. He's quite keen to prove your 2% theory to be no more than rigged apologist figures - a pathetic hack-job perpetrated for no other reason than to make the Muselman seem okay.

As for the death count, FD will show how this was caused by nothing more than a bit of harmless graffiti. You know, just a bit of healthy, white supremacist self-expression. All good, clean fun.

FD's probably collating his evidence as we speak. He'll be back. FD'll wipe that grin off your face, don't you worry about that.

It's Greg's claim, not mine. If he is too scared to back it up, that's good enough for me.

He has backed it up, FD.

He 'backed it up' with a single reference to Beenish Ahmed's story in the ThinkProgress (natch) Cheesy

Cheesy

) and I have shown how Ahmed completely misrepresented the Europol reports on which her 'report' was supposedly based. She also restricts herself to 2012-13 to slant her defence of her fellow Muslims.
The rest of Turd's quotes are not backed up and I expect the same sort of distortion and misrepresentation for of them as with the Ahmed nonsense.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/746578/number-of-arrested-terror-suspects-in...

Good show. Your statistics show the number of Muslim terrorist crimes.

Do you have a similar statistic for separatist attacks?

FD won't say.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/746590/number-of-attacks-of-nationalist-and-...

A lot fewer, and as the Europol report states, decreasing and small-scale.

The 2014 Europol report I referenced says that there were NO 'right-wing' terrorist attacks in EU member states in 2013 while the Reveal report about the US is full of references to 'right-wing' terrorist.

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #65 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:49pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:36pm:

The Reveal report referenced by the Independent is long and detailed 9much more than the Ahmed whitewash attempt in defence/downplay of Muslim terrorists in Europe.

But I do notice that the claims turd is making with reference to the Reveal report are hugely slanted:
A 2011 Heritage Foundation study, based on terrorism data collected by the RAND Corp., found that between 2001 and 2009, there were 91 homegrown terrorist attacks of all kinds against the United States, while there were 380 terrorist attacks against U.S. targets abroad.

This is important and obvious.

Most obvious. The US has forces in a number of foreign countries.

Now onto Europe, is there anything you disagree with in Greggery's figures and his claim that most European terrorism is not Moslem?

You've tried the yeah-but it's getting worse. You've tried saying the stats are compiled by a Muslim, thus skewed. You've tried saying yes but Muslim bombings are worse than separatist or white supremacist bombings. Why?

Well, they're motivated by Islam, of course.

So is there anything you can hold up to prove Greggery's claim false?

FD tried, but had to go away.

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #66 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:53pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:17pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:05pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 6:53am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

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They've been posted in this forum a hundred times.

You have posted some kind of evidence a few times. You got laughed off the board every time. So now you just repeat the claim but are afraid to produce the evidence.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims.

You are afraid of being laughed at when you trot out some new "evidence" to back up your claims, because you know the old evidence you presented doesn't really help your argument.

But feel free to prove me wrong. You've done it hundreds of times already, apparently.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims, or jellyfish.

We're all scared of jellyfish, Greggery, but don't you worry. FD will come back with a credible source, you'll see. He's quite keen to prove your 2% theory to be no more than rigged apologist figures - a pathetic hack-job perpetrated for no other reason than to make the Muselman seem okay.

As for the death count, FD will show how this was caused by nothing more than a bit of harmless graffiti. You know, just a bit of healthy, white supremacist self-expression. All good, clean fun.

FD's probably collating his evidence as we speak. He'll be back. FD'll wipe that grin off your face, don't you worry about that.

It's Greg's claim, not mine. If he is too scared to back it up, that's good enough for me.

He has backed it up, FD.

He 'backed it up' with a single reference to Beenish Ahmed's story in the ThinkProgress (natch) Cheesy

Cheesy

) and I have shown how Ahmed completely misrepresented the Europol reports on which her 'report' was supposedly based. She also restricts herself to 2012-13 to slant her defence of her fellow Muslims.
The rest of Turd's quotes are not backed up and I expect the same sort of distortion and misrepresentation for of them as with the Ahmed nonsense.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/746578/number-of-arrested-terror-suspects-in...

Good show. Your statistics show the number of Muslim terrorist crimes.

Do you have a similar statistic for separatist attacks?

FD won't say.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/746590/number-of-attacks-of-nationalist-and-...

A lot fewer, and as the Europol report states, decreasing and small-scale.

The 2014 Europol report I referenced says that there were NO 'right-wing' terrorist attacks in EU member states in 2013 while the Reveal report about the US is full of references to 'right-wing' terrorist.

Indeed. This highlights the problem of being selective with your years. Nationalist terrorism is on the rise in Europe, as every schoolboy knows.

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The number of jihadist terrorist attacks increased from 13 in 2016 to 33 in 2017, while ethno-nationalist and separatist attacks accounted for the largest proportion of the incidents, with 137.

The report said the violent right-wing extremist spectrum is expanding, "partly fuelled by fears of a perceived Islamisation of society and anxiety over migration".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/world/revealed-europe-faced...

You know it too. You blame Islam, no?

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #67 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:57pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Europe:

"In 2013, there were 152 terrorist attacks in the EU. Two of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2012, there were 219 terrorist attacks in EU countries, six of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2011, not one of the 174 terrorist attacks in EU countries in 2011 were “affiliated or inspired” by Islamist terrorist organizations.

"2010, 249 terrorist attacks, three of them were considered by Europol to be “Islamist.”

"In 2009, of 294 terrorist attacks, only one was related to Islamist militancy .”

Thanks, Greggery. I think that settles that.

The ThinkProgress (!!!!) hatchet job has been discredited as a complete ,misrepresentation of the Europol reports is supposedly based on.

Do you have any real basis for these claims? And why are you stopping at 2012?

It's 2018.

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Reply #68 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:07pm

Once again, for those with early onset dementia:

Quote:

More than 200 terrorist attacks took place, were foiled or failed in Europe last year, an official report has found.

Over half of the cases were recorded in the UK, according to figures compiled by Europol.

Nine member states reported a total of 205 terrorist attacks that were either stopped, failed or completed, the EU's law enforcement agency said - up from 142 in 2016.

...

The number of jihadist terrorist attacks increased from 13 in 2016 to 33 in 2017, while ethno-nationalist and separatist attacks accounted for the largest proportion of the incidents, with 137.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/world/revealed-europe-faced...

So yes, while the threat from jihadists is increasing, so are the ethno-nationalists.

Do you want them screened at the airport too, old boy?

They're British.

Quote:

The UK experienced the highest number with 107, which includes 88 security-related incidents in Northern Ireland, the EU terrorism situation and trend report said.

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Reply #69 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:13pm

Don't you worry, old boy. FD had to attend to an important errand. When he comes back, he'll prove the 2017 statistics false, you'll see.

Jihadists: 33. So-called "nationalists": 137. No graffiti, these were planned or implemented bombings, arsons or mass killings.

All a big mistake, I'm sure. When FD comes back, we'll be able to blame Islam again.

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Reply #70 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:25pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

Europe:

"In 2013, there were 152 terrorist attacks in the EU. Two of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2012, there were 219 terrorist attacks in EU countries, six of them were “religiously motivated.”

"In 2011, not one of the 174 terrorist attacks in EU countries in 2011 were “affiliated or inspired” by Islamist terrorist organizations.

"2010, 249 terrorist attacks, three of them were considered by Europol to be “Islamist.”

"In 2009, of 294 terrorist attacks, only one was related to Islamist militancy .”

Thanks, Greggery. I think that settles that.

For a reasonable person, yes.

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Reply #71 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:37pm

As usual in these things its informative to look a bit beyond the raw statistics which makes all events equal even those without fatalities.

If however you look at fatalities, and from 2001 in Europe the fatalities are from Islamist attacks, 597, right wing 87, of which 77 belonged to Anders Brevik and nationalist is 46.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe

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Reply #72 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:37pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:

Once again, for those with early onset dementia:

Quote:

More than 200 terrorist attacks took place, were foiled or failed in Europe last year, an official report has found.

Over half of the cases were recorded in the UK, according to figures compiled by Europol.

Nine member states reported a total of 205 terrorist attacks that were either stopped, failed or completed, the EU's law enforcement agency said - up from 142 in 2016.

...

The number of jihadist terrorist attacks increased from 13 in 2016 to 33 in 2017, while ethno-nationalist and separatist attacks accounted for the largest proportion of the incidents, with 137.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/world/revealed-europe-faced...

So yes, while the threat from jihadists is increasing, so are the ethno-nationalists.

Do you want them screened at the airport too, old boy?

They're British.

Quote:

The UK experienced the highest number with 107, which includes 88 security-related incidents in Northern Ireland, the EU terrorism situation and trend report said.

So the Irish are throwing bricks at each other every second day - SO MUSLIM TERRORISM is less of a problem in Europe coz they only drive buses into crowds 4 times a year and knife shoppers only once a month.

If you look at any of the Europl reports you will see that jihadi terrorism is a much bigger concern to the EU than 'ethno-nationalist terrorism because the latter is very localised and very small scale whereas the Muslim threat is widespread and deadly and NOT about any local issues but is motivated by an imported ideology.

By your and Turd's idiotic reasoning, rape and murder are much less of a concern because there is a lot FEWER of them than traffic offences or petty thefts. As if one crime is the same as another crime and only the numbers matter.
This is typical Turd/Bwian mindset. And he will repeat it forever, just to make sure nobody has any doubt about just what a stupid, dishonest ijit he really is. And the Paki kibitzer is there to grin and clap and egg him on.i

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Reply #73 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:40pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:17pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:05pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 6:53am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

Quote:

They've been posted in this forum a hundred times.

You have posted some kind of evidence a few times. You got laughed off the board every time. So now you just repeat the claim but are afraid to produce the evidence.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims.

You are afraid of being laughed at when you trot out some new "evidence" to back up your claims, because you know the old evidence you presented doesn't really help your argument.

But feel free to prove me wrong. You've done it hundreds of times already, apparently.

I'm not afraid of anything.

Least of all Muslims, or jellyfish.

We're all scared of jellyfish, Greggery, but don't you worry. FD will come back with a credible source, you'll see. He's quite keen to prove your 2% theory to be no more than rigged apologist figures - a pathetic hack-job perpetrated for no other reason than to make the Muselman seem okay.

As for the death count, FD will show how this was caused by nothing more than a bit of harmless graffiti. You know, just a bit of healthy, white supremacist self-expression. All good, clean fun.

FD's probably collating his evidence as we speak. He'll be back. FD'll wipe that grin off your face, don't you worry about that.

It's Greg's claim, not mine. If he is too scared to back it up, that's good enough for me.

He has backed it up, FD.

He 'backed it up' with a single reference to Beenish Ahmed's story in the ThinkProgress (natch) Cheesy

Cheesy

) and I have shown how Ahmed completely misrepresented the Europol reports on which her 'report' was supposedly based. She also restricts herself to 2012-13 to slant her defence of her fellow Muslims.
The rest of Turd's quotes are not backed up and I expect the same sort of distortion and misrepresentation for of them as with the Ahmed nonsense.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/746578/number-of-arrested-terror-suspects-in...

Good show. Your statistics show the number of Muslim terrorist crimes.

Do you have a similar statistic for separatist attacks?

FD won't say.

A lot fewer, and as the Europol report states, decreasing and small-scale.

The 2014 Europol report I referenced says that there were NO 'right-wing' terrorist attacks in EU member states in 2013 while the Reveal report about the US is full of references to 'right-wing' terrorist.

Decreasing. Perhaps you could explain the EU's reported increase, old boy.

If you can't, it may be worth conceding the actual facts, rather than exercising the sort of backward, tribal, superstitious balderdash you accuse the Muselman of.

Or are porkies progressive?

FD won't say.

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Reply #74 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:50pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:

Once again, for those with early onset dementia:

Quote:

More than 200 terrorist attacks took place, were foiled or failed in Europe last year, an official report has found.

Over half of the cases were recorded in the UK, according to figures compiled by Europol.

Nine member states reported a total of 205 terrorist attacks that were either stopped, failed or completed, the EU's law enforcement agency said - up from 142 in 2016.

...

The number of jihadist terrorist attacks increased from 13 in 2016 to 33 in 2017, while ethno-nationalist and separatist attacks accounted for the largest proportion of the incidents, with 137.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/world/revealed-europe-faced...

So yes, while the threat from jihadists is increasing, so are the ethno-nationalists.

Do you want them screened at the airport too, old boy?

They're British.

Quote:

The UK experienced the highest number with 107, which includes 88 security-related incidents in Northern Ireland, the EU terrorism situation and trend report said.

So the Irish are throwing bricks at each other every second day - SO MUSLIM TERRORISM is less of a problem in Europe coz they only drive buses into crowds 4 times a year and knife shoppers only once a month.

If you look at any of the Europl reports you will see that jihadi terrorism is a much bigger concern to the EU than 'ethno-nationalist terrorism because the latter is very localised and very small scale whereas the Muslim threat is widespread and deadly and NOT about any local issues but is motivated by an imported ideology.

By your and Turd's idiotic reasoning, rape and murder are much less of a concern because there is a lot FEWER of them than traffic offences or petty thefts. As if one crime is the same as another crime and only the numbers matter.
This is typical Turd/Bwian mindset. And he will repeat it forever, just to make sure nobody has any doubt about just what a stupid, dishonest ijit he really is. And the Paki kibitzer is there to grin and clap and egg him on.

Is see. So ethno-nationalist attacks are greater in number and on the rise, but they're not a concern, eh?

Cunning. So let's see. You've tried FAKE news, the old switcheroo and now, it's okay, they're one of us. They grew here.

One strategy you haven't used yet is no-speaka-da-English. Try that one, old boy.

But I'm curious. Given your own white supremacism is also imported (you flew here), can you see how some of us might take it as a bit of a threat?

You can translate that into Danish if it makes it any easier to understand.

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