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Reply #390 - Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:21pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 5:25pm:

I blame ethno-nationalism, but that's just me.

Define ethno-nationalism for us - is it an exclusively internal issue or is it also comprised of certain ethno-nationalistic groups seeking to bring in a foreign regime by stealth and force and to alter the pre-existing culture according to their own dictates?

Where does ethno-nationalism start and finish? With your White Aussie Surfer who has trouble with 'Bankies' at Cronulla and hits back, with your outright rabid Nationalist who is prepared to fight for the country, with those who continue to identify as their personal ethno-nationalist group after several generations or even one living in Australia?

The use of Australia as an example is an example - you do understand what example is? Or are you going to again argue perpetually about specific things within Oz without ever addressing the issue.... I do so hate to put people on the mat and ask them the hard questions, but still...

What IS your answer? and stand to attention until I tell you..............

How many times do you want it defined?

I've given you the definition a few times

No you haven't. Nor has karnal who mentioned it a couple of times, defining it only if lumping it together with some other terms is a definition (to idiots like you two, perhaps gesticulating in certain directions is the definition of your 'thoughts').

Abos are the supreme example ethno-nationalists - First Nation, don't you know? - but that is not what you mean. You don't know what you mean. Nobody does.

Oh yes I have.

Here it is again, direct from the report:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist
terrorist groups are motivated by
nationalism, ethnicity and/or religion.

"Separatist groups seek to carve out
a state for themselves from a larger
country, or annex a territory from one
country to that of another. Left- or
right-wing ideological elements are not
uncommon in these types of groups.

"The Irish Republican Army (IRA), the
Basque ETA, and the Kurdish PKK
organisations fall into this category."

Let me know when you need it again.

I'm only too happy to continue making you look like an absolute fool.

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #391 - Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:23pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 5:25pm:

I blame ethno-nationalism, but that's just me.

Define ethno-nationalism for us - is it an exclusively internal issue or is it also comprised of certain ethno-nationalistic groups seeking to bring in a foreign regime by stealth and force and to alter the pre-existing culture according to their own dictates?

Where does ethno-nationalism start and finish? With your White Aussie Surfer who has trouble with 'Bankies' at Cronulla and hits back, with your outright rabid Nationalist who is prepared to fight for the country, with those who continue to identify as their personal ethno-nationalist group after several generations or even one living in Australia?

The use of Australia as an example is an example - you do understand what example is? Or are you going to again argue perpetually about specific things within Oz without ever addressing the issue.... I do so hate to put people on the mat and ask them the hard questions, but still...

What IS your answer? and stand to attention until I tell you..............

How many times do you want it defined?

I've given you the definition a few times, and have posted the link to the report at least a dozen times.

Read the report: it's all in there.

Jihadist's only make up 16% of terrorist attacks in Europe.

They are in the minority.

What percentage of the body count?

I don't know.

read the report - the answer is probably there.

Now, back to the thread title:

- the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.

That fact has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

Maybe it's time to start a new thread about me.

I mean, it's been over a week now Grin

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #392 - Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 5:25pm:

I blame ethno-nationalism, but that's just me.

Define ethno-nationalism for us - is it an exclusively internal issue or is it also comprised of certain ethno-nationalistic groups seeking to bring in a foreign regime by stealth and force and to alter the pre-existing culture according to their own dictates?

Where does ethno-nationalism start and finish? With your White Aussie Surfer who has trouble with 'Bankies' at Cronulla and hits back, with your outright rabid Nationalist who is prepared to fight for the country, with those who continue to identify as their personal ethno-nationalist group after several generations or even one living in Australia?

The use of Australia as an example is an example - you do understand what example is? Or are you going to again argue perpetually about specific things within Oz without ever addressing the issue.... I do so hate to put people on the mat and ask them the hard questions, but still...

What IS your answer? and stand to attention until I tell you..............

How many times do you want it defined?

I've given you the definition a few times, and have posted the link to the report at least a dozen times.

Read the report: it's all in there.

Jihadist's only make up 16% of terrorist attacks in Europe.

They are in the minority.

Then what is your answer - I have better things to do than chose your answers across many pages....

16% of terrorist attacks resulting in massively the majority injuries and deaths - with countless more attacks prevented by early arrests...

Muslim Population Europe 6% - Muslim attacks 16%.

Let's make it simple so you can follow it - 2004-2017 are the glory days of Islamic terrorism in Europe when it comes to killing people:-

Come back, good buddy.... how many twists and turns are we to get now?

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #393 - Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:

Oh yes I have.

Here it is again, direct from the report:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist
terrorist groups are motivated by
nationalism, ethnicity and/or religion.

"Separatist groups seek to carve out
a state for themselves from a larger
country, or annex a territory from one
country to that of another. Left- or
right-wing ideological elements are not
uncommon in these types of groups.

"The Irish Republican Army (IRA), the
Basque ETA, and the Kurdish PKK
organisations fall into this category."

Let me know when you need it again.

I'm only too happy to continue making you look like an absolute fool.

So Arabic/Ethnic ghettoism and demands for an Islamic State within national borders in Europe don't fit in there? They don't seek to isolate and annex territory and indeed entire societies?

Keep talking - it's not me you are making a fool of.

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #394 - Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:36pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 5:25pm:

I blame ethno-nationalism, but that's just me.

Define ethno-nationalism for us - is it an exclusively internal issue or is it also comprised of certain ethno-nationalistic groups seeking to bring in a foreign regime by stealth and force and to alter the pre-existing culture according to their own dictates?

Where does ethno-nationalism start and finish? With your White Aussie Surfer who has trouble with 'Bankies' at Cronulla and hits back, with your outright rabid Nationalist who is prepared to fight for the country, with those who continue to identify as their personal ethno-nationalist group after several generations or even one living in Australia?

The use of Australia as an example is an example - you do understand what example is? Or are you going to again argue perpetually about specific things within Oz without ever addressing the issue.... I do so hate to put people on the mat and ask them the hard questions, but still...

What IS your answer? and stand to attention until I tell you..............

How many times do you want it defined?

I've given you the definition a few times, and have posted the link to the report at least a dozen times.

Read the report: it's all in there.

Jihadist's only make up 16% of terrorist attacks in Europe.

They are in the minority.

Then what is your answer - I have better things to do than chose your answers across many pages....

16% of terrorist attacks resulting in massively the majority injuries and deaths - with countless more attacks prevented by early arrests...

Muslim Population Europe 6% - Muslim attacks 16%.

Let's make it simple so you can follow it - 2004-2017 are the glory days of Islamic terrorism in Europe when it comes to killing people:-

https://www.datagraver.com/thumbs/1300x1300r/2017-05/ter-we-isl-20170523.png

Come back, good buddy.... how many twists and turns are we to get now?

No twists. No turns.

My claim was that the majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.

The official reports from Europol show that I was 100% correct.

Why would I need to twist and/or turn?

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #395 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:34am

moses wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 5:50pm:

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Europol is referring to the popular fear caused by Jihadist attacks and the high number of casualties, despite their relatively low number of attacks.

Europol states categorically that the main concern is jihadist terrorism, they have an acute threat level.

Now I fully believe that they are saying that islamic terror is the number one terrorist threat in Europe.

Quote:

But I'm curious. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming majority of terrorist crimes?

As I said they must be of a lot lower significance.

Europol says that islamic terror is the major threat and causes the most fatalities and injured.

Why are you trying to dance around this stated fact?

Because I've read the report, Moses. It clearly does not state that the Muselman is the source of European terrorism, as every schoolboy who can read knows.

If you have an.alternative view, please post it here with a reference to your source. Europol is clear, dear. I'll give you some time to read its report and come back with your informed view.

I'll wait for your considered response.

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #396 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:46am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:

Oh yes I have.

Here it is again, direct from the report:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist
terrorist groups are motivated by
nationalism, ethnicity and/or religion.

"Separatist groups seek to carve out
a state for themselves from a larger
country, or annex a territory from one
country to that of another. Left- or
right-wing ideological elements are not
uncommon in these types of groups.

"The Irish Republican Army (IRA), the
Basque ETA, and the Kurdish PKK
organisations fall into this category."

Let me know when you need it again.

I'm only too happy to continue making you look like an absolute fool.

So Arabic/Ethnic ghettoism and demands for an Islamic State within national borders in Europe don't fit in there? They don't seek to isolate and annex territory and indeed entire societies?

Keep talking - it's not me you are making a fool of.

No, dear, Arab nationalism is confined to the Middle East. The Europol report is clear that the Islamicist threat to Europe comes from outside influences - i.e, al Qaida and ISI, with agents within. These are not European separatists like the IRA or ETA, but you knew that already, of course, from reading the report.

I'm sure you would never be so mendacious as to pretend that the Muselman is the source of ethno-nationalist terrorism here. FD and the old boy tried that one,, but that's not you, Grappler.

You have credibility, remember?

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #397 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 9:58am

Eyewash.
Belfast, Bilbao, Ankara are not European problems just because they are in Europe. They are very localised.
Islamic jihad, like the Red Brigades, are cross-border, international problems with additional localised grieavances added in just to nurture the jihadis victim mentality and justify their acting in supposed 'self-defence'.

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Reply #398 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:19pm

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Eyewash.
Belfast, Bilbao, Ankara are not European problems just because they are in Europe. They are very localised.
Islamic jihad, like the Red Brigades, are cross-border, international problems with additional localised grieavances added in just to nurture the jihadis victim mentality and justify their acting in supposed 'self-defence'.

Ankara is in Turkey, dear boy. It is not in the EU, as every schoolboy knows.

Belfast is in Europe. Just like jolly old Denmark, no?

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Reply #400 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:25pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Eyewash.
Belfast, Bilbao, Ankara are not European problems just because they are in Europe. They are very localised.
Islamic jihad, like the Red Brigades, are cross-border, international problems with additional localised grieavances added in just to nurture the jihadis victim mentality and justify their acting in supposed 'self-defence'.

Ankara is in Turkey, dear boy. It is not in the EU, as every schoolboy knows.

Belfast is in Europe. Just like jolly old Denmark, no?

Year 9 geography, innit?

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Reply #401 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:25pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Eyewash.
Belfast, Bilbao, Ankara are not European problems just because they are in Europe. They are very localised.
Islamic jihad, like the Red Brigades, are cross-border, international problems with additional localised grieavances added in just to nurture the jihadis victim mentality and justify their acting in supposed 'self-defence'.

Ankara is in Turkey, dear boy. It is not in the EU, as every schoolboy knows.

Belfast is in Europe. Just like jolly old Denmark, no?

You brought up the Kurds, mong, as Europeans.

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Reply #402 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:34pm

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

Abos are the supreme example ethno-nationalists. Are their crimes and riots in the name of Aboriginality counted in the Australian stats as etho-nationalist terrorism, which is what they are.

No, dear boy. Your Abo is not fighting for a separate nation. Nor is he fighting - unless you count graffiti in your definition.

Still, a good attempt to steer the discussion back to the tinted races. If you can't finger the Muselman, go for the Boong.

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Reply #403 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:39pm

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 12:19pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

Eyewash.
Belfast, Bilbao, Ankara are not European problems just because they are in Europe. They are very localised.
Islamic jihad, like the Red Brigades, are cross-border, international problems with additional localised grieavances added in just to nurture the jihadis victim mentality and justify their acting in supposed 'self-defence'.

Ankara is in Turkey, dear boy. It is not in the EU, as every schoolboy knows.

Belfast is in Europe. Just like jolly old Denmark, no?

You brought up the Kurds, mong, as Europeans.

I most certainly did not, dear boy. The Europol report uses them as an example of militant separatism. Presumably, some of their action reaches Europe.

We can't say the same for you though, old chap. You're on your way to becoming an assimilated Australian.

Leave all that stool business behind you. And if you can't do that, blame the Boong.

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Reply #404 - Oct 10^th, 2018 at 1:41pm

karnal: Reply #395 - Today at 12:34am

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Because I've read the report, Moses. It clearly does not state that the Muselman is the source of European terrorism, as every schoolboy who can read knows.

If you have an.alternative view, please post it here with a reference to your source. Europol is clear, dear. I'll give you some time to read its report and come back with your informed view.

I'll wait for your considered response.

A nice bit of useless information regarding the actual terror threat in Europe

Once again for your good self:

EUROPOL TERRORISM

Terrorism

The overall terrorist threat to the security of the EUremains acute.

The main concern of Member States is jihadist terrorism and the closely related phenomenon of foreign terrorist fighters who travel to and from conflict zones.

Recent attacks in the EU demonstrate the intent and capability of jihadist terrorists to inflict mass casualties on urban populations in an effort to induce a high state of well-publicised terror.

The carefully planned attacks continue to demonstrate the elevated threat to the EU from an extremist minority, operationally based in the Middle East, combined with a network of people born and raised in the EU, often radicalised within a short space of time, who have proven willing and able to act as facilitators and active accomplices in terrorism.

Of the 12 trends identified in the latest TE-SAT, most related to jihadist terrorism. While there was a large number of terrorist attacks not connected with jihadism, the latter accounts for the most serious forms of terrorist activity as nearly all reported fatalities and most of the casualties were the result of jihadist terrorist attacks.

Categorically states:

1/. the threat level is acute.

2/. the main concern is jihadist terror.

3/. jihadis' consist of foreign and local jihadists.

4/. the highest number of fatalities and casualties are the result of jihadist terror attacks.

So your smokescreens consisting of ineffectual information regarding European terror, can never hide the fact that the European people have the most to fear from islamic terror.

Nice try but no banana, islamic terror, overwhelmingly is the principal terror threat in Europe.

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