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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #315 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 8:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 8:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 11:01pm:

From the official 2018 Europol Report:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

"Most terrorist attacks carried out in the EU in 2017 were specified as separatist attacks (137 out of 205)."

Failed, foiled or completed attacks by
affiliation in 2017:

- Separatist = 67%

- Jihadist = 16%

- Left-wing = 12%

- Right-wing = 3%

- N/S = 2%

Solid figures AND facts.

The thread title is correct.

Now we can all get some sleep.

Well, that's that - I was right all along.

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No, you weren't ...... LIST!! ... and listing to Port doesn't count....

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #316 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:17am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

No, it's not......

(the above comment written in advance of reading The Peccary Post, which we all know in advance will be arrant nonsense on this issue.... stick to industrial relations issues, greg - you're so much better there than getting in bed with lunatics like Karnival, who spends a lot of time skating over the thin ice of reality)......

No nonsense.

Just solid facts & figures, straight from Europol.

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #317 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:44am

.. and yet the European Parliament lists 33 religious inspired attacks causing 62 deaths in 2017... hmmm .... 705 arrests seems to be helping .....

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/security/20180703STO07125/terror...

The only extant figures for 2018 (today) are those I posted...... hands down win without a protest late run.....

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #318 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:45am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:17am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

No, it's not......

(the above comment written in advance of reading The Peccary Post, which we all know in advance will be arrant nonsense on this issue.... stick to industrial relations issues, greg - you're so much better there than getting in bed with lunatics like Karnival, who spends a lot of time skating over the thin ice of reality)......

No nonsense.

Just solid facts & figures, straight from Europol.

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

Define ethno-nationalist for us....... hmmm..... sounds like a scimitar that cuts more than one way to me..... a little bit of political influence there..... could be... could be....

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #319 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 10:45am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:44am:

.. and yet the European Parliament lists 33 religious inspired attacks causing 62 deaths in 2017... hmmm .... 705 arrests seems to be helping .....

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/security/20180703STO07125/terror...

The only extant figures for 2018 (today) are those I posted...... hands down win without a protest late run.....

Nobody said that there were no religious inspired attacks.

Everybody acknowledges that there were acts of Islamic terrorism.

However:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #320 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 10:52am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 9:17am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

No, it's not......

(the above comment written in advance of reading The Peccary Post, which we all know in advance will be arrant nonsense on this issue.... stick to industrial relations issues, greg - you're so much better there than getting in bed with lunatics like Karnival, who spends a lot of time skating over the thin ice of reality)......

No nonsense.

Just solid facts & figures, straight from Europol.

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."

Define ethno-nationalist for us....... hmmm..... sounds like a scimitar that cuts more than one way to me..... a little bit of political influence there..... could be... could be....

Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist groups are motivated by nationalism and ethnicity.

e.g. The Irish Republican Army (IRA), and the
Basque ETA.

"Most terrorist attacks carried out
in the EU in 2017 were specified as
separatist attacks (137 out of 205).

"France counted 42 attacks, Spain
experienced 7 attacks.

"There were 88 security-related incidents in Northern
Ireland, of which 58 were shooting and
30 were bombing incidents.

"The completed separatist attacks
were aimed at businesses and critical
infrastructure, but also at civilians and
the military.

"A total of 30 individuals
were arrested in Germany, Spain,
France, the Netherlands and Austria."

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge Reply #321 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am Greggery, where does the report mention graffiti?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146207 Gender:	Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge Reply #322 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:50am Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am: Greggery, where does the report mention graffiti? Good question. Grap?
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 88753 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge Reply #323 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:24pm Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am: Greggery, where does the report mention graffiti? I said that reported terrorist incidents (not acts) could be such as graffiti attacks...
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge Reply #324 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:25pm Do you have a list?
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 88753 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge Reply #325 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:50am: Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am: Greggery, where does the report mention graffiti? Good question. Grap? I've been building a deck - now write that out 100 times before sunrise or I'll cut your balls off...
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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #326 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:34pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

Do you have a list?

List - who needs lists? We're talking about ACTS and I've listed those..... no need to list every trivial incident....

It's like OH & S - for every five incidents there is one accident.....

If you look at the figures for the European Parliament (nice work if you can get it alongside your national parlie, eh? Nice job for one of the old mate's club that is...) 2017 had 33 ACTS and 705 arrests....

That's ... ummmmm.... 705/33 = 21.4 something incidents and acts combined for every act...... not a bad strike rate for the security services... and not all were Mussos... buggar it.... hang on - the EP said Mussos.. buggar... that throws the scenario out to buggary....

2018, so far, is showing a different story.....

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #327 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:41pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

Greggery, where does the report mention graffiti?

I said that reported terrorist incidents (not acts) could be such as graffiti attacks...

Yet, the report doesn't mention graffiti at all (do a word search and see for yourself).

"Improvised explosive devices, firearms and
improvised weapon, such as knives and vehicles,
are the weapons of choice with which recent
attacks were carried out."

In regard to 'incidents':

"There were 88 security-related incidents in Northern Ireland, of which 58 were shooting and
30 were bombing incidents."

And:

"Consistently with previous years,
modi operandi employed by leftwing
and anarchist terrorist groups
included predominantly the use of
improvised explosive devices (IEDs)."

No graffiti here either:

"Five foiled, failed or completed
terrorist attacks attributed to rightwing
extremists (RWE) were reported
for 2017: all of them by the UK. On
19 June one person died and 10
were injured after a van was driven
deliberately into a crowd of Muslim
worshippers in North London by a
man who had previously expressed
hatred of Muslims. Four days later,
on 23 June, a known supporter of the
far-right party Britain First drove a
vehicle into an Indian restaurant in
London, injuring several people. Prior
to the attacks, he was caught on CCTV
making Nazi salutes.

"In addition to attacks classified as
terrorism, other violent incidents took
place in 2017 motivated by RWE, for
example on 15 April two men with a
proven affinity with National Socialism
threw incendiary devices at an asylum
hostel in Germany."

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #328 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:59pm

Are there any Christian V Muslim (bear in mind Christian only meaning a church going religious nutters putting religion first and dictating their way of life, imposing that way of life on their children and treating others as infidels and remaining silent when acts of atrocity such as one of their flock blows up teenagers at a concert type and not just being white) terrorist attack statistics.

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Re: Most terror attacks in Europe, non-moslem - gregge
Reply #329 - Oct 4^th, 2018 at 1:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:41pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

Greggery, where does the report mention graffiti?

I said that reported terrorist incidents (not acts) could be such as graffiti attacks...

Yet, the report doesn't mention graffiti at all (do a word search and see for yourself).

"Improvised explosive devices, firearms and
improvised weapon, such as knives and vehicles,
are the weapons of choice with which recent
attacks were carried out."

In regard to 'incidents':

"There were 88 security-related incidents in Northern Ireland, of which 58 were shooting and
30 were bombing incidents."

And:

"Consistently with previous years,
modi operandi employed by leftwing
and anarchist terrorist groups
included predominantly the use of
improvised explosive devices (IEDs)."

No graffiti here either:

"Five foiled, failed or completed
terrorist attacks attributed to rightwing
extremists (RWE) were reported
for 2017: all of them by the UK. On
19 June one person died and 10
were injured after a van was driven
deliberately into a crowd of Muslim
worshippers in North London by a
man who had previously expressed
hatred of Muslims. Four days later,
on 23 June, a known supporter of the
far-right party Britain First drove a
vehicle into an Indian restaurant in
London, injuring several people. Prior
to the attacks, he was caught on CCTV
making Nazi salutes.

"In addition to attacks classified as
terrorism, other violent incidents took
place in 2017 motivated by RWE, for
example on 15 April two men with a
proven affinity with National Socialism
threw incendiary devices at an asylum
hostel in Germany."

So Grap, as you can see, the 'incidents' they're talking about are shootings and bombings.

Hang on - maybe they were paint bombs, and that's where you're getting 'graffiti' from? Undecided

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