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Re: The futility of Renewables
Reply #45 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 3:53pm

The renewable rubbish is headed for a great fall as it has in Germany.

It is basically uneconomic WITHOUT the massive subsidies.

It cannot supply industry which requires non-stop power 24/7.

What the Greeny advocates always avoid is comparing like with like. They rattle about a tiny solar farm being able to replace a huge coal station.

The sheer many square kilometers area of treeless land required for both solar and wind is enormous if it is to be able to supply the huge power output of coal power station.

The catch with solar is that it doesn't work every day due to overcast weather and so the essential primary coal has to be ever ready to take over. Otherwise a blackout follows.

Similarly for wind.

Industry requires power day and night and so puts a constant load on the coal station which is ideal.

What Australia needs is MORE industry fed by cheap coal power.

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Reply #46 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 8:45pm

juliar wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

The renewable rubbish is headed for a great fall as it has in Germany.

It is basically uneconomic WITHOUT the massive subsidies.

It cannot supply industry which requires non-stop power 24/7.

What the Greeny advocates always avoid is comparing like with like. They rattle about a tiny solar farm being able to replace a huge coal station.

The sheer many square kilometers area of treeless land required for both solar and wind is enormous if it is to be able to supply the huge power output of coal power station.

The catch with solar is that it doesn't work every day due to overcast weather and so the essential primary coal has to be ever ready to take over. Otherwise a blackout follows.

Similarly for wind.

Industry requires power day and night and so puts a constant load on the coal station which is ideal.

What Australia needs is MORE industry fed by cheap coal power.

Really socko !! How much free renewable sunlight energy did you use today and how much did you pay for it ? Cheesy

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Reply #47 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:59pm

The village idiot troll VIRUS is annoyed at being repeatedly shown to be nothing more than a dumb dill. This exacerbates her neurotic inferiority complex. And she certainly is an inferior individual.

It is fun psycho analyzing the neurotic confusion of such specimens.

The penalty of mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ. Should not have mucked up so much while at school.

Perhaps the specimen being analyzed should follow her own advice and stay away ?

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30803 Gender:	Re: The futility of Renewables Reply #48 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 9:32pm You parrot the same words all of the time but have no idea of the meaning LOL
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Reply #49 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 7:56am

The village idiot troll VIRUS is annoyed at being repeatedly shown to be nothing more than a dumb dill. This exacerbates her neurotic inferiority complex. And she certainly is an inferior individual.

It is fun psycho analyzing the neurotic confusion of such specimens.

The penalty of mental inadequacy and poor education and low IQ. Should not have mucked up so much while at school.

Perhaps the specimen being analyzed should follow her own advice and stay away ?

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30803 Gender:	Re: The futility of Renewables Reply #50 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 9:15am You see. Repeats the same crap all of the time. Either copy and paste or accusing everyone of being a troll. Can't debate a single issue. Useless just like the rest of the conservatives.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: The futility of Renewables Reply #51 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 3:58pm The neurotic specimen is fixated on me because she admires and envies my superior ability so much that it makes her feel inferior which she is. This psycho analysis of the neurotic complexes of the dumb drongos is fun.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19756 Gender:	Re: The futility of Renewables Reply #52 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 4:13pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 9:15am: Repeats the same crap all of the time. Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 8:45pm: How much free renewable sunlight energy did you use today and how much did you pay for it ? You mean like this?
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Reply #53 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 5:26pm

Gee it is a full time job psycho analyzing the neurotic problems of the dingbat drongos.

Good to see Lee is rubbing the drongo's dial in their own smelly slime.

Electric vehicles? Cannot be fitted with a towbar as the extra weight overheats them and they catch fire this includes all Tesla cars. So how and when is Tesla going to pull a 35 tonne trailer for 300 miles to include hills with this truck ?

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Re: The futility of Renewables
Reply #54 - Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 10:31pm

juliar wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 5:26pm:

Gee it is a full time job psycho analyzing the neurotic problems of the dingbat drongos.

Good to see Lee is rubbing the drongo's dial in their own smelly slime.

Electric vehicles? Cannot be fitted with a towbar as the extra weight overheats them and they catch fire this includes all Tesla cars. So how and when is Tesla going to pull a 35 tonne trailer for 300 miles to include hills with this truck ?

U do realize the Tesla x can tow 2 tonnes.... and the 2 Tesla semi’s have been used for the last year and towing quite well.........if u have real stuff to say instead of rubbish fire away jules
Ohh and 800 cars catch on fire everyday in the USA....... go on hand pick a few Tesla’s again Wink

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Reply #56 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:06am

Term Dog wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Fuel cells prolly be better.

Yes 1 day in the future......... today’s technology they just aren’t viable yet.
Biggest problem atm is for bulk use they use lpg to make it so basically still a fossil fuel and they need to pump it up to 10000 psi to be usable so very inefficient.
Also With a battery electric vehical every one with a power point has a filling station, where a hydrogen filling station to power a car costs around 1.5 million dollars instead of $500 for a car wall charger.

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Reply #57 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:10am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:06am:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Fuel cells prolly be better.

Yes 1 day in the future......... today’s technology they just aren’t viable yet.
Biggest problem atm is for bulk use they use lpg to make it so basically still a fossil fuel and they need to pump it up to 10000 psi to be usable so very inefficient.
Also With a battery electric vehical every one with a power point has a filling station, where a hydrogen filling station to power a car costs around 1.5 million dollars instead of $500 for a car wall charger.

The Power required to fuel say a few million clean electric cars will require more of the only fuel that can feasibly meet the demand ie............

Power is generated at your wall socket.

See the problem?

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Reply #58 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:17am

Term Dog wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:06am:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Fuel cells prolly be better.

Yes 1 day in the future......... today’s technology they just aren’t viable yet.
Biggest problem atm is for bulk use they use lpg to make it so basically still a fossil fuel and they need to pump it up to 10000 psi to be usable so very inefficient.
Also With a battery electric vehical every one with a power point has a filling station, where a hydrogen filling station to power a car costs around 1.5 million dollars instead of $500 for a car wall charger.

The Power required to fuel say a few million clean electric cars will require more of the only fuel that can feasibly meet the demand is ............

See the problem?

Well the thing is even if we usd 100% fossil fuels to run the vehicals, battery electric vehicals bev’s for short are so much more efficient than combustion motors that u will use about a quarter of the fuel to power the BEVs. Start putting in renewable energy and the real big thing is no reliance for overseas oil it starts to add up using electric. Also even if it is a coal plant powering 1 million cars the pollution can be away from the city and not a million exhaust pipes in the city poisoning everyone.

In Australia we have so much coal we could sever the Middle East entirely and as renewable get cheaper and better the air will get better to breath. Wink

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Re: The futility of Renewables
Reply #59 - Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:28am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:17am:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:10am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:06am:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 10:36pm:

Fuel cells prolly be better.

Yes 1 day in the future......... today’s technology they just aren’t viable yet.
Biggest problem atm is for bulk use they use lpg to make it so basically still a fossil fuel and they need to pump it up to 10000 psi to be usable so very inefficient.
Also With a battery electric vehical every one with a power point has a filling station, where a hydrogen filling station to power a car costs around 1.5 million dollars instead of $500 for a car wall charger.

The Power required to fuel say a few million clean electric cars will require more of the only fuel that can feasibly meet the demand is ............

See the problem?

Well the thing is even if we usd 100% fossil fuels to run the vehicals, battery electric vehicals bev’s for short are so much more efficient than combustion motors that u will use about a quarter of the fuel to power the BEVs. Start putting in renewable energy and the real big thing is no reliance for overseas oil it starts to add up using electric. Also even if it is a coal plant powering 1 million cars the pollution can be away from the city and not a million exhaust pipes in the city poisoning everyone.

In Australia we have so much coal we could sever the Middle East entirely and as renewable get cheaper and better the air will get better to breath. Wink

Having 24/7 free or cheap public transport in cities I believe without proof a better option than the urban population having electric cars would take some planning tho.

I doubt many Greenies would agree that burning more coal to provide power for electric cars would be met warmly.

It's like water, the ost gains are made improving efficiency, improving efficiency of power is smarter right now than talk of replacement. Older eg most power generators run around 30℅ efficiency. They can be improved a lot now and is more prudent to do so than replacing them with renewables that absolutely can not meet demand at this point.

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