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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44684	Re: Says it all Reply #75 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:00pm Funny, I don't think anybody has denied that, Moses. Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world.
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Reply #76 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

Funny, I don't think anybody has denied that, Moses.

Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world. Roll Eyes

Hehehe, narrow view. Would a narrow view include a stated inability to criticise Islam, an inability to describe the Sunni Shia schism as a blood lust? Grin

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Reply #77 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:15pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

Funny, I don't think anybody has denied that, Moses.

Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world. Roll Eyes

Hehehe, narrow view. Would a narrow view include a stated inability to criticise Islam, an inability to describe the Sunni Shia schism as a blood lust? Grin

Nope. I acknowledge that Islam can be critised by those with the knowledge to do so (what a shame few here have it) and that the Sunni-Sh'ia schism is about doctrinal differences. Never denied either of them. Your next waste of time point would be? Tsk, tsk.

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Reply #78 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:21pm

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Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world.

O.K. you've now run away from me asking you to show how Christ instructed his followers to kill people, you have now stated the Bible instructs Christians to kill people.

Now show us an instruction to Christians to kill people?

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Reply #79 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:15pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

Funny, I don't think anybody has denied that, Moses.

Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world. Roll Eyes

Hehehe, narrow view. Would a narrow view include a stated inability to criticise Islam, an inability to describe the Sunni Shia schism as a blood lust? Grin

Nope. I acknowledge that Islam can be critised by those with the knowledge to do so (what a shame few here have it) and that the Sunni-Sh'ia schism is about doctrinal differences. Never denied either of them. Your next waste of time point would be? Tsk, tsk.

Did you describe the blood letting from that schism as a blood lust or you reserve that emotive expression for Christian schisms.

I look forward to your future criticism of Islamist atrocities, it will be a change from your previously stated idiotic position of an inability to criticise and until now reflex apologism.

But I won't be holding my breath, I anticipate a continuation of your usual spineless apologism.

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JollyGreenGiant Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 152	Re: Says it all Reply #80 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:20pm What about the Burning Bush? Was Moses having an epiphany? Or was he suffering some sort of mental illness ... didn't his Mother and Father just die or something?
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Reply #81 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:27pm:

Moses, Moses, you deny so much of world history. Christians have killed other Christians. When you accept that and actually acknowledge that what drove them was religious doctrinal differences in their blood lust. Tsk, tsk, Roll Eyes

Little Muslim kids are currently living in fear of Russian and US rockets. Moses has always supported these bombardments and military action. When the little Muslim kids try to escape, Moses wants to send them back.

What did prophet Yeheshua say about the children?

Little Muslim kids are currently living in fear of Russian and US rockets.

So how else to you fight a bunch of well entrenched Muslim extremists?

Why, by propping up a dictator, of course.

As Mr Abbott said, there are baddies on both sides.

I'm sure Mr Trump will support Mr Putin on this. Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: Says it all Reply #82 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:29pm moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm: Classic examples of what I said. A couple of leftard apologists. Just can't bring themselves to be honest about muslim kids being put at risk because muhammad told muslims to kill other muslims. I'm most honest, Moses. Your turn. Did your prophet mean what he said?
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Reply #83 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:32pm

moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:21pm:

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Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world.

O.K. you've now run away from me asking you to show how Christ instructed his followers to kill people, you have now stated the Bible instructs Christians to kill people.

Now show us an instruction to Christians to kill people?

You've already quoted it, Moses. It's the bit where Yeheshua said to love thine enemy and pray for him.

Google: taqiyya.

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Reply #84 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:34pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:15pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

Funny, I don't think anybody has denied that, Moses.

Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world. Roll Eyes

Hehehe, narrow view. Would a narrow view include a stated inability to criticise Islam, an inability to describe the Sunni Shia schism as a blood lust? Grin

Nope. I acknowledge that Islam can be critised by those with the knowledge to do so (what a shame few here have it) and that the Sunni-Sh'ia schism is about doctrinal differences. Never denied either of them. Your next waste of time point would be? Tsk, tsk.

Did you describe the blood letting from that schism as a blood lust or you reserve that emotive expression for Christian schisms.

Yes, it could be described as "blood lust". The problem is Moses refuses to acknowledge that events in Christian history fit that "emotive expression" very well, indeed. Why aren't you attacking him for his ducking of Christian history or does he get a free pass 'cause he's an Islamophobe? Mmmmm? Roll Eyes

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I look forward to your future criticism of Islamist atrocities, it will be a change from your previously stated idiotic position of an inability to criticise and until now reflex apologism.

I'd love to see some details of this supposed "reflex apologism" that I am supposed to have engaged in. All I have asked is that innocent Muslims, who are thousands of kilometres from where Islamist atrocities have occurred, to be accorded the respect they and their beliefs deserve. Unlike like the Islamophobes, I do not condemn people who are innocent of any crimes. Do you? I was always taught that people were, "innocent until proven guilty". It appears that Islamophobes condemn Muslims simply for being, well, Muslims. Roll Eyes

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But I won't be holding my breath, I anticipate a continuation of your usual spineless apologism.

Well, when you and other Islamophobes produce evidence that individual Muslims are guilty of a crime, then I don't doubt you'll feel happy with my response. Islamophobia, however, I will continue to condemn for it's bigotry and mindless hatred. Roll Eyes

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Reply #85 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:38pm

moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:21pm:

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Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world.

O.K. you've now run away from me asking you to show how Christ instructed his followers to kill people, you have now stated the Bible instructs Christians to kill people.

Now show us an instruction to Christians to kill people?

I have, numerous times, Moses. You have always denied the passages I have quoted. Funny that, hey, Moses? You are a zealot. The Bible consists of far more than just the New Testament, you realise? Tsk, tsk, so much for your belief in Christianity. Roll Eyes

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Reply #86 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 7:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:34pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:15pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

Funny, I don't think anybody has denied that, Moses.

Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people. Tsk, tsk. Living in your head must be a real problem, it's such a narrow view of the world. Roll Eyes

Hehehe, narrow view. Would a narrow view include a stated inability to criticise Islam, an inability to describe the Sunni Shia schism as a blood lust? Grin

Nope. I acknowledge that Islam can be critised by those with the knowledge to do so (what a shame few here have it) and that the Sunni-Sh'ia schism is about doctrinal differences. Never denied either of them. Your next waste of time point would be? Tsk, tsk.

Did you describe the blood letting from that schism as a blood lust or you reserve that emotive expression for Christian schisms.

Yes, it could be described as "blood lust". The problem is Moses refuses to acknowledge that events in Christian history fit that "emotive expression" very well, indeed. Why aren't you attacking him for his ducking of Christian history or does he get a free pass 'cause he's an Islamophobe? Mmmmm? Roll Eyes

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I look forward to your future criticism of Islamist atrocities, it will be a change from your previously stated idiotic position of an inability to criticise and until now reflex apologism.

I'd love to see some details of this supposed "reflex apologism" that I am supposed to have engaged in. All I have asked is that innocent Muslims, who are thousands of kilometres from where Islamist atrocities have occurred, to be accorded the respect they and their beliefs deserve. Unlike like the Islamophobes, I do not condemn people who are innocent of any crimes. Do you? I was always taught that people were, "innocent until proven guilty". It appears that Islamophobes condemn Muslims simply for being, well, Muslims. Roll Eyes

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But I won't be holding my breath, I anticipate a continuation of your usual spineless apologism.

Well, when you and other Islamophobes produce evidence that individual Muslims are guilty of a crime, then I don't doubt you'll feel happy with my response. Islamophobia, however, I will continue to condemn for it's bigotry and mindless hatred. Roll Eyes

Events in Christian history... Possibly .
But if we look at 2018
There's certainly no way you could say radical Christians are in the ascendancy
There's no way you could say they are involved in any reprehensible behaviour unless you consider being conservative as reprehensible.
And there is nowhere that Christianity hasn't sorted out the separation of church and state.
You could really only point to maybe one Muslim democracy that functions reasonably. And that would be turkey.
But even turkey is very shaken
Til the separation of church and state can be worked out, Muslims have a big problem

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Reply #87 - Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:08pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Events in Christian history... Possibly .
But if we look at 2018
There's certainly no way you could say radical Christians are in the ascendancy
There's no way you could say they are involved in any reprehensible behaviour unless you consider being conservative as reprehensible.
And there is nowhere that Christianity hasn't sorted out the separation of church and state.
You could really only point to maybe one Muslim democracy that functions reasonably. And that would be turkey.
But even turkey is very shaken
Til the separation of church and state can be worked out, Muslims have a big problem

Appears you are making excuses for Christians, Acqua. If one Christian commits a crime, all Christians are guilty, using the logic that many Islamophobes use in judging Muslims. According to them, simply being a Muslim, makes them guilty of the crimes committed by all other Muslims. Do you think that is fair? I don't. If that is being an "apologist", then so be it. I do not believe in persecuting innocent people. What about you? Is persecuting peope because they worship a different god a good idea?

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Reply #88 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 6:08am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Events in Christian history... Possibly .
But if we look at 2018
There's certainly no way you could say radical Christians are in the ascendancy
There's no way you could say they are involved in any reprehensible behaviour unless you consider being conservative as reprehensible.
And there is nowhere that Christianity hasn't sorted out the separation of church and state.
You could really only point to maybe one Muslim democracy that functions reasonably. And that would be turkey.
But even turkey is very shaken
Til the separation of church and state can be worked out, Muslims have a big problem

Appears you are making excuses for Christians, Acqua. If one Christian commits a crime, all Christians are guilty, using the logic that many Islamophobes use in judging Muslims. According to them, simply being a Muslim, makes them guilty of the crimes committed by all other Muslims. Do you think that is fair? I don't. If that is being an "apologist", then so be it. I do not believe in persecuting innocent people. What about you? Is persecuting peope because they worship a different god a good idea?

i cant see where i have been persecuting islam. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

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and you havent addressed the issue at all of the seperation of church and state or the model for a functional muslim democracy

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Reply #89 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 1:46pm

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O.K. you've now run away from me asking you to show how Christ instructed his followers to kill people, you have now stated the Bible instructs Christians to kill people.

Now show us an instruction to Christians to kill people?

The board liar wrote:Reply #85 - Yesterday at 4:38pm
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I have, numerous times, Moses. You have always denied the passages I have quoted. Funny that, hey, Moses? You are a zealot. The Bible consists of far more than just the New Testament, you realise? Tsk, tsk, so much for your belief in Christianity.

The excuses keep coming to cover the fact that you failed to show one instruction telling Christians to kill people

You have repeatedly lied with your reference to ancient Hebrew writings, which date back approximately 2000 years before a Christian set foot on this earth.

You have repeatedly been defeated, by the citing of Christian doctrine which shows that these Mosaic laws were all fulfilled by the crucifixion of Christ.

You cannot stand to face the fact that:

muslims who slaughter people are obeying the teachings of muhammad.

Anyone who commits human rights atrocities are directly disobeying the teachings of Christ.

You deliberately lie on a debate site to protect and excuse islamic terror in the 21st century, you cower at the thought of being honest about the evil in the qur'an which engenders islamic terrorism..

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