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Reply #90 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:13pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 4:29pm:

moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

Classic examples of what I said.

A couple of leftard apologists.

Just can't bring themselves to be honest about muslim kids being put at risk because muhammad told muslims to kill other muslims.

I'm most honest, Moses.

Your turn. Did your prophet mean what he said?

Moses?

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Reply #91 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:37pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 6:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 9:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

Events in Christian history... Possibly .
But if we look at 2018
There's certainly no way you could say radical Christians are in the ascendancy
There's no way you could say they are involved in any reprehensible behaviour unless you consider being conservative as reprehensible.
And there is nowhere that Christianity hasn't sorted out the separation of church and state.
You could really only point to maybe one Muslim democracy that functions reasonably. And that would be turkey.
But even turkey is very shaken
Til the separation of church and state can be worked out, Muslims have a big problem

Appears you are making excuses for Christians, Acqua. If one Christian commits a crime, all Christians are guilty, using the logic that many Islamophobes use in judging Muslims. According to them, simply being a Muslim, makes them guilty of the crimes committed by all other Muslims. Do you think that is fair? I don't. If that is being an "apologist", then so be it. I do not believe in persecuting innocent people. What about you? Is persecuting peope because they worship a different god a good idea?

i cant see where i have been persecuting islam. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

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Where did I suggest you had made that claim, Acqua. I asked a question. You do know the difference between a statement and a question, don't you? Roll Eyes

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and you havent addressed the issue at all of the seperation of church and state or the model for a functional muslim democracy

Why am I being held to account for Islam and all Muslims, Acqua? I address the points that I feel need addressing, not everything you spout. Tsk, tsk, Roll Eyes

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Reply #92 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:43pm

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 1:46pm:

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The excuses keep coming to cover the fact that you failed to show one instruction telling Christians to kill people

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How about the instruction to kill the Gnostics and the Albigensians? Funny how you keep overlooking their fate, Moses. Roll Eyes

You continually accuse me of "lying" without presenting any proof. Tsk, tsk. When you address the points I made - honestly and without dissembling, then we might continue our little charade of a debate. Until then, bye-bye. Roll Eyes

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Reply #93 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:54pm

karnal wrote: Reply #90 - Today at 2:13pm

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Moses?

Yes.

I'd say He meant everything or He wouldn't have said it.

Now come on, lets go with your three word trick, you know: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc.

It's a favourite ploy of yours to say that people must obey certain 3 / 4 word quotes and totally ignore the other directives which say to shun evil, be honest and truthful, don't take stupid risks etc.

So come on, away you go and tell us how we must absolutely lie down and let evil people overrun and kill us, while we turn the other cheek and love our enemies.

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Reply #94 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:59pm

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 2:54pm:

karnal wrote: Reply #90 - Today at 2:13pm

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Moses?

Yes.

I'd say He meant everything or He wouldn't have said it.

Now come on, lets go with your three word trick, you know: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc.

Thanks, Moses, I agree. I think your prophet meant it too.

So you disagree with Him?

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Reply #96 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:03pm

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:01pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How about the instruction to kill the Gnostics and the Albigensians? Funny how you keep overlooking their fate, Moses.

I know of no such instructions in any of Christs' teachings.

That's true, Moses. Prophet Yeheshua never said to kill or hate anyone.

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Reply #97 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:09pm

karnal wrote

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So you disagree with Him?

Not as far as I know.

Is this the start of your three word trick, you know: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc.

It's a favourite ploy of yours to say that people must obey certain 3 / 4 word quotes and totally ignore the other directives which say to shun evil, be honest and truthful, don't take stupid risks etc.

So come on, away you go and tell us how we must absolutely lie down and let evil people overrun and kill us, while we turn the other cheek and love our enemies.

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Reply #98 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:16pm

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:01pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How about the instruction to kill the Gnostics and the Albigensians? Funny how you keep overlooking their fate, Moses.

I know of no such instructions in any of Christs' teachings.

And around we go again on the endless cycle of Moses denying reality. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Christ might not have instructed it but Christians definitely did in his name. Tsk, tsk, denying history, denying reality. Must be a real fun house inside your head, Moses. Roll Eyes

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Reply #99 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:21pm

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

karnal wrote

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So you disagree with Him?

Not as far as I know.

Is this the start of your three word trick, you know: love your enemies, turn the other cheek, etc.

It's a favourite ploy of yours to say that people must obey certain 3 / 4 word quotes and totally ignore the other directives which say to shun evil, be honest and truthful, don't take stupid risks etc.

So come on, away you go and tell us how we must absolutely lie down and let evil people overrun and kill us, while we turn the other cheek and love our enemies.

But Moses, you've just told Brian that your prophet said no such thing about hating and killing people. When Yeheshua and Paul said to shun evil, they meant to not do evil thyself. They did not mean to hate and kill evil-doers.

Yeheshua's directive to love all as thyself was His most fundamental teaching. As St Paul said, if Ye hath not love, Ye are nothing. Faith, power and good works mean nothing without love.

So I'll ask you again, do you disagree with this, or are you so stuck in hate that you can't find a way out?

I'm curious. Your prophet is always there to help, you know. Knock, and the door shall be answered. Would you like to find love, brother?

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Reply #100 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:52pm

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But Moses, you've just told Brian that your prophet said no such thing about hating and killing people.

O.K you're trying to say that little girls should love and lie down for the Sian Kingi or Anita Cobby murderers?

You truly are a sick twisted person in your defence of islamic terrorism at any cost, karnal.

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So I'll ask you again, do you disagree with this

I'll say again I agree with the teachings espoused by Christ.

I totally reject your crap that girls should love and submit to the Sian Kingi or Anita Cobby murderers.

Once again you're sick in the head karnal..

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Reply #101 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:54pm

1st lie by B.R.
Reply #75 - Yesterday at 3:00pm
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Unlike you though, who refuses to admit that the Bible instructs Christians to kill people.

Challenged by me to show such instructions. He changes tack by posting:

Reply #92 - Today at 2:43pm
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How about the instruction to kill the Gnostics and the Albigensians?

O.K. so what's he talking about?

Well it turns' out that

Albigensian Crusade fought between 1209 and 1229.
The Albigensian Crusade or the Cathar Crusade (1209–1229; French: Croisade des albigeois, Occitan: Crosada dels albigeses) was a 20-year military campaign initiated by Pope Innocent III to eliminate Catharism in Languedoc, in southern France.

A military directive from a pope is now an instruction in the bible, according to our resident board liar.

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Reply #102 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 4:13pm

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:52pm:

karnal wrote:
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But Moses, you've just told Brian that your prophet said no such thing about hating and killing people.

O.K you're trying to say that little girls should love and lie down for the Sian Kingi or Anita Cobby murderers?

You truly are a sick twisted person in your defence of islamic terrorism at any cost, karnal.

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So I'll ask you again, do you disagree with this

I'll say again I agree with the teachings espoused by Christ.

I totally reject your crap that girls should love and submit to the Sian Kingi or Anita Cobby murderers.

Once again you're sick in the head karnal..

I don't know who Sian Kingi is, dear, but your prophet was clear when he asked who among us can cast the first stone.

Prophet Yeheshua said that he came not to abolish the law but to fulfil it. This means he still respected law and justice: render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. I believe that fulfilling the law refers to faith in God.

James 5:9:

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Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.

James 4:12:
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There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?

Corinthians 4:5:
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Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God.

Yeheshua was consistent, brother. This is not just 3 or 4 words, it's the message of the entire New Testament.

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Reply #103 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 6:15pm

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:54pm:

A military directive from a pope is now an instruction in the bible, according to our resident board liar.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Erecting a strawman argument, Moses? I suppose its the only sort of argument you have a chance of winning, right?

I have suggested that there are numerous instructions in The Bible for Christians to kill other people. However, it takes a Christian to read and obey them. In the case you're dredged up, the instruction came from the Pope - the leading Christian and the ultimate earthy authority on the religion and it's teaching - someone who'd we expect to understand what Christ was talking about and yet, he told his fellow Christians to kill the Albigensians. It is good that you've finally faced your demons and admit that Christians kill people, Moses. Do you feel cleansed by your confession? Roll Eyes

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Reply #104 - Jul 12^th, 2018 at 7:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

moses wrote on Jul 12^th, 2018 at 3:54pm:

A military directive from a pope is now an instruction in the bible, according to our resident board liar.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Erecting a strawman argument, Moses? I suppose its the only sort of argument you have a chance of winning, right?

I have suggested that there are numerous instructions in The Bible for Christians to kill other people. However, it takes a Christian to read and obey them. In the case you're dredged up, the instruction came from the Pope - the leading Christian and the ultimate earthy authority on the religion and it's teaching - someone who'd we expect to understand what Christ was talking about and yet, he told his fellow Christians to kill the Albigensians. It is good that you've finally faced your demons and admit that Christians kill people, Moses. Do you feel cleansed by your confession? Roll Eyes

Yes, Brian, but I believe Moses is saying Christians are justified in killing people they don't like in an attempt to steer clear of evil. Moses is saying he is perfectly entitled to hate Muslims and their apologists because they annoy him.

More than entitled, Moses believes his prophet Yeheshua decrees this, despite multiple records by multiple disciples documenting Yeheshua saying something else entirely.

Judge not, hate not, kill not in revenge. Let the Father deliver justice. Love all, including thy enemy.

Including those turbaned tinted races you've never met who bother you ever so.

Yes, Moses does not believe his prophet told him to turn the other cheek when the Muselman gets him all hot under the collar. Moses does not believe his prophet instructed him not to judgeth the apologists who get him all cranky, are sick and twisted, and make him lie down like a little girl.

Remember, Brian, if you have not hate, you are nothing, no?

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