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Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:31am
 
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/29/sydney-activates-new-tesla-battery-storage-...
The city of Sydney, Australia, has set a goal of obtaining 50% of the electricity it consumes from renewable sources by 2030. As part of that program, it has recently activated a 1,600 solar power installations coupled with a 500 kWh of Tesla Powerpack battery installations, according to the Sydney Morning Herald. The solar panels are installed on the roof of the city’s Alexandra Canal transport depot (see below).
While the solar installation isn’t the city’s largest — Sydney Markets in Flemington is powered by nearly 8,600 solar panels — it is the first to combine solar with large-scale batteries similar to Tesla’s massive battery unit in South Australia. At the commissioning ceremony on Wednesday, Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore said the project was part of the city’s wider push towards greater sustainability and fighting climate change. Many parts of Sydney are located on the shores of its famous harbor and could be significantly affected by rising ocean levels.

Be interesting to see figures on how long this set up will take to pay for itself.
Until batteries get cheaper it might be individual factories that ease the burden of poisoning Australia with FF's Wink Wink
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Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:40am
 
Be nice if ordinary people could have solar panels and not go through the gouging companies at all

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Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:53am
 
https://electrek.co/2018/05/11/tesla-giant-battery-australia-reduced-grid-servic...
A new report now shows that it reduced the cost of the grid service that it performs by 90% and it has already taken a majority share of the market. ii




When an issue happens or maintenance is required on the power grid in Australia, the Energy Market Operator calls for FCAS (frequency control and ancillary services) which consists of large and costly gas generators and steam turbines kicking in to compensate for the loss of power.
Electricity rates can be seen reaching $14,000 per MW during those FCAS periods.

“In the first four months of operations of the Hornsdale Power Reserve (the official name of the Tesla big battery, owned and operated by Neoen), the frequency ancillary services prices went down by 90 per cent, so that’s 9-0 per cent. And the 100MW battery has achieved over 55 per cent of the FCAS revenues in South Australia. So it’s 2 per cent of the capacity in South Australia achieving 55 per cent of the revenues in South Australia.”


Various estimates have put the cost savings to consumers from the FCAS market alone at around $35 million, just in the first four months of its operation.
That’s a pretty good bang for the buck for the estimated $50 million investment by the South Australia government.
South Australia is the only state that has experienced a decline in FCAS(frequency control and ancillary services)  prices over the past few months.


Wow the battery saved SA consumers 35 million in the first 4 months and only cost them 50 million and it will last at least 10 years and more realistically 15-20 years  Wink Wink

we need one in every state, instant top up instead of a slow response from gas turbines and coal plants... looks like its one investment from SA govt that is working Smiley Wink Wink
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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:55am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Be nice if ordinary people could have solar panels and not go through the gouging companies at all

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I'm not sure what u mean... the installers ? Wink Wink
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Reply #4 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:01am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:55am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Be nice if ordinary people could have solar panels and not go through the gouging companies at all

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I'm not sure what u mean... the installers ? Wink Wink


I mean the governments make it so hard and so expensive that people can't do it. It would get the price of electricity down though because of competition.

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Reply #5 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:34am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:01am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:55am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Be nice if ordinary people could have solar panels and not go through the gouging companies at all

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I'm not sure what u mean... the installers ? Wink Wink


I mean the governments make it so hard and so expensive that people can't do it. It would get the price of electricity down though because of competition.

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actually the government help to make home solar very affordable... $3500 for 6kwh installed now, and many different ways to pay for that as well, so really no excuse for anyone in Australia to not have solar on their own homes.  some companies putting the solar panels in , then taking over the power bill , the home owner keeps paying the same price , so no initial outlay.
It is one thing the Australian government is doing right. Wink Wink
A few start ups r even finding solutions for rental properties, where the owner gets a little more rent and the renter gets the lower electricity bill  Wink Wink
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Reply #6 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:42am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:01am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:55am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Be nice if ordinary people could have solar panels and not go through the gouging companies at all

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I'm not sure what u mean... the installers ? Wink Wink


I mean the governments make it so hard and so expensive that people can't do it. It would get the price of electricity down though because of competition.

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actually the government help to make home solar very affordable... $3500 for 6kwh installed now, and many different ways to pay for that as well, so really no excuse for anyone in Australia to not have solar on their own homes.  some companies putting the solar panels in , then taking over the power bill , the home owner keeps paying the same price , so no initial outlay.
It is one thing the Australian government is doing right. Wink Wink
A few start ups r even finding solutions for rental properties, where the owner gets a little more rent and the renter gets the lower electricity bill  Wink Wink


Well it must have changed because that's not the experience of people I know who have got solar panels. There was a mountain of paperwork and all kinds of delays and it was made very hard for them to get installed.

Paying the same you would for normal grid electricity is a big scam. What's the point?

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Reply #7 - Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:53am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:42am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:34am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:01am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:55am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:40am:
Be nice if ordinary people could have solar panels and not go through the gouging companies at all

Spot

I'm not sure what u mean... the installers ? Wink Wink


I mean the governments make it so hard and so expensive that people can't do it. It would get the price of electricity down though because of competition.

Spot

actually the government help to make home solar very affordable... $3500 for 6kwh installed now, and many different ways to pay for that as well, so really no excuse for anyone in Australia to not have solar on their own homes.  some companies putting the solar panels in , then taking over the power bill , the home owner keeps paying the same price , so no initial outlay.
It is one thing the Australian government is doing right. Wink Wink
A few start ups r even finding solutions for rental properties, where the owner gets a little more rent and the renter gets the lower electricity bill  Wink Wink


Well it must have changed because that's not the experience of people I know who have got solar panels. There was a mountain of paperwork and all kinds of delays and it was made very hard for them to get installed.

Paying the same you would for normal grid electricity is a big scam. What's the point?

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I got my solar in QLD about 3 years ago and I think I signed one bit of paperwork for the company to let the provider know I was doing it. The company did the rest. It really wasn't hard...
It sounds like it was a dodgy company that they where dealing with  Sad

U pay the same amount on your power bill until the panels r paid for , then u take over ownership and get the benefits yourself. So costs u nothing to get the panels and 4-5 years later u get the benefits.
Either way you don't see a benefit for the first few years. Wink Wink
Except the satisfaction of knowing your r suppling your own energy. Smiley
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