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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #75 - Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:27pm What about the Nazis who never committed a crime. Should we spinelessly apologise for them at every opportunity also?
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #76 - Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:32pm freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:27pm: What about the Nazis who never committed a crime. Should we spinelessly apologise for them at every opportunity also? Is there a direct link between Nazism and the acts they committed?? Yes. Is there a direct link between Islam (as a religion) and the acts of terrorism. No.
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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #77 - Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:32pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

No one has to tolerate anything that spawns world wide terrorism.

The global top 24 listed terrorist groups, are all devout followers of ???

And 30 years ago the global top listed Terrorist organisations were devout followers of which religion??? Roll Eyes

So? Now is now, Bwian, 30 years ago, 500 years ago was then. Why should we ignore what's happening NOW, just because something else was happening at some other time???

Your idiocy never ceases to astonish.

Your world is so limited, Soren. As the Bard once suggested, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." The world changes, political and religous views change. Threats change. 30 years ago it was CHRISTIAN Terrorists who were the threat. Today it is Muslims. Tomorrow? Who knows? Nothing is constant, despite your Islamophobic beliefs. Time you grew up and realised that. Roll Eyes

No reason to ignore or play down the PRESENT threat, my thick little pseudo-intellectual fraud.

You appear to believe you are more important than you actually are, Soren. You are such a big man, aren't you? In reality you are as insignificant as an ant is to an elephant. The world will continue if you are alive or dead, just as it will if the same fate occurs to me. Islamic Terrorism is but a passing phase in world history. Islamism will cease to be a danger in the near future. Time you recognised that you suffer from a phobia, Soren. You need help. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #78 - Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:34pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:

What about the Nazis who never committed a crime. Should we spinelessly apologise for them at every opportunity also?

Is there a direct link between Nazism and the acts they committed?? Yes.

Is there a direct link between Islam (as a religion) and the acts of terrorism. No.

Can you explain?

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Reply #79 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

No one has to tolerate anything that spawns world wide terrorism.

The global top 24 listed terrorist groups, are all devout followers of ???

And 30 years ago the global top listed Terrorist organisations were devout followers of which religion??? Roll Eyes

So? Now is now, Bwian, 30 years ago, 500 years ago was then. Why should we ignore what's happening NOW, just because something else was happening at some other time???

Your idiocy never ceases to astonish.

Your world is so limited, Soren. As the Bard once suggested, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." The world changes, political and religous views change. Threats change. 30 years ago it was CHRISTIAN Terrorists who were the threat. Today it is Muslims. Tomorrow? Who knows? Nothing is constant, despite your Islamophobic beliefs. Time you grew up and realised that. Roll Eyes

No reason to ignore or play down the PRESENT threat, my thick little pseudo-intellectual fraud.

You appear to believe you are more important than you actually are, Soren. You are such a big man, aren't you? In reality you are as insignificant as an ant is to an elephant. The world will continue if you are alive or dead, just as it will if the same fate occurs to me. Islamic Terrorism is but a passing phase in world history. Islamism will cease to be a danger in the near future. Time you recognised that you suffer from a phobia, Soren. You need help. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

SO ignoring Islamic terrorism is the correct response to Islamic terrorism, you stupid old fraud? Ignore global Islamic terrorism but get really hot under the collar about Australian party politics and Pauline Hanson??????

You stand alone, Bwian, as the idiot king of this wide brown land.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #80 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:50pm The correct response is to distinguish Islam (the religion) from Islamism the ideology. If we can do this, then we all get somewhere, both on the right and the left.
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Reply #81 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:55pm

Muslim terrorists expressly, avowedly commit their terrorist act in the name of Islam, supported and justified by islamic religious and political doctrines.

Other muslims glorify them as martyrs, again, on the basis of religious and political islamic ideology. Mohamedans and others like the clowns here and elsewhere - yes, you, Augie-bargy, Bwain the Disoriented, gandalf al-Mohammed, kernel Al-Pakistani, gweggy Al S-bend etc - argue about criticism of islamic terrorism on the basis of - the horror!!! - islamophobia.

It all confirms, loud and clear, that islamic terrorism and it's defenders and excusers, are all gathered on the common ground of iSLAM, nothing else. Take islam out of the discussion and there is nothing left. Critics and defenders both speak about islam. So we must conclude that islamic terrorism, as the name suggests, has everything to do with islam.

This is higher-order reasoning for most islamists and their defenders but plain and obvious to the sane population.

Carry on with the circus, clowns.

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Reply #82 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:58pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

The correct response is to distinguish Islam (the religion) from Islamism the ideology.

If we can do this, then we all get somewhere, both on the right and the left.

Muslims do not, expressly do not, do this. They do not WANT to do this. Whole way of life and all that, plus caliphatye and ummah.

You are not as ignorant as to be unaware of the impossibility of separating religion and the rest of existence within Islamic thought and practice, are you?

Alas, you are.

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Reply #83 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:58pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:55pm:

Muslim terrorists expressly, avowedly commit their terrorist act in the name of Islam, supported and justified by islamic religious and political doctrines.

Other muslims glorify them as martyrs, again, on the basis of religious and political islamic ideology. Mohamedans and others like the clowns here and elsewhere - yes, you, Augie-bargy, Bwain the Disoriented, gandalf al-Mohammed, kernel Al-Pakistani, gweggy Al S-bend etc - argue about criticism of islamic terrorism on the basis of - the horror!!! - islamophobia.

It all confirms, loud and clear, that islamic terrorism and it's defenders and excusers, are all gathered on the common ground of iSLAM, nothing else. Take islam out of the discussion and there is nothing left. Critics and defenders both speak about islam. So we must conclude that islamic terrorism, as the name suggests, has everything to do with islam.

This is higher-order reasoning for most islamists and their defenders but plain and obvious to the sane population.

Carry on with the circus, clowns.

So, you are interpreting religion devoid of all spiritual components?? That makes an Islamist. Islam also has a concept of Heaven and Hell and of divine punishment.

Don't you think that the idea of a heaven and hell implicitly indicates restraint on a earthly level?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #84 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 7:01pm Quote: So, you are interpreting religion devoid of all spiritual components?? That makes an Islamist. Crap. Islamists are into the spiritual carpet riding BS just as much as slaughtering the infidel. Where do you think the 72 virgins are? Heaven, or down at the local kindy?
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Reply #85 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 7:05pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 7:01pm:

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So, you are interpreting religion devoid of all spiritual components?? That makes an Islamist.

Crap. Islamists are into the spiritual carpet riding BS just as much as slaughtering the infidel. Where do you think the 72 virgins are? Heaven, or down at the local kindy?

The 72 virgins is not a Quranic concept, but a Hadith concept.

Unless of course, you are implying that God prescribed killing for the Muslim, and left Hell to those who the Muslims 'couldn't get around to killing'.

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Reply #86 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 7:13pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 6:10pm:

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

No one has to tolerate anything that spawns world wide terrorism.

The global top 24 listed terrorist groups, are all devout followers of ???

And 30 years ago the global top listed Terrorist organisations were devout followers of which religion??? Roll Eyes

So? Now is now, Bwian, 30 years ago, 500 years ago was then. Why should we ignore what's happening NOW, just because something else was happening at some other time???

Your idiocy never ceases to astonish.

Your world is so limited, Soren. As the Bard once suggested, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." The world changes, political and religous views change. Threats change. 30 years ago it was CHRISTIAN Terrorists who were the threat. Today it is Muslims. Tomorrow? Who knows? Nothing is constant, despite your Islamophobic beliefs. Time you grew up and realised that. Roll Eyes

No reason to ignore or play down the PRESENT threat, my thick little pseudo-intellectual fraud.

You appear to believe you are more important than you actually are, Soren. You are such a big man, aren't you? In reality you are as insignificant as an ant is to an elephant. The world will continue if you are alive or dead, just as it will if the same fate occurs to me. Islamic Terrorism is but a passing phase in world history. Islamism will cease to be a danger in the near future. Time you recognised that you suffer from a phobia, Soren. You need help. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

SO ignoring Islamic terrorism is the correct response to Islamic terrorism, you stupid old fraud? Ignore global Islamic terrorism but get really hot under the collar about Australian party politics and Pauline Hanson??????

You stand alone, Bwian, as the idiot king of this wide brown land

Who suggested it should be "ignored", Soren?

Concern about it should be placed in proportion. Islamist Terrorism is a minor problem for the overwhelming majority of the world's population. You are in greater danger from being struck by lightning than you are of being killed by an Islamist Terrorist.

If Western Governments were to address the root causes of Islamism and it's Terrorists, it would largely disappear, Soren. Your hatred and intolerance is one of it's driving forces. Your refusal to tolerate moderate, mainstream Islam shows how short sighted you are, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamophobe’s Logic
Reply #87 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 8:05pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 6:55pm:

Muslim terrorists expressly, avowedly commit their terrorist act in the name of Islam, supported and justified by islamic religious and political doctrines.

Other muslims glorify them as martyrs, again, on the basis of religious and political islamic ideology. Mohamedans and others like the clowns here and elsewhere - yes, you, Augie-bargy, Bwain the Disoriented, gandalf al-Mohammed, kernel Al-Pakistani, gweggy Al S-bend etc - argue about criticism of islamic terrorism on the basis of - the horror!!! - islamophobia.

It all confirms, loud and clear, that islamic terrorism and it's defenders and excusers, are all gathered on the common ground of iSLAM, nothing else. Take islam out of the discussion and there is nothing left. Critics and defenders both speak about islam. So we must conclude that islamic terrorism, as the name suggests, has everything to do with islam.

This is higher-order reasoning for most islamists and their defenders but plain and obvious to the sane population.

Carry on with the circus, clowns.

So, you are interpreting religion devoid of all spiritual components?? That makes an Islamist. Islam also has a concept of Heaven and Hell and of divine punishment.

Don't you think that the idea of a heaven and hell implicitly indicates restraint on a earthly level?

You are a looney, that's what i think.

One minute you are strict about 'Oh, but it's not in thee koran'. The next minute you carry on about spiritual components. You are an idiot, except you are too simple even to be an idiot. You are a mouthy simpleton unaware of your limitations.

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Reply #88 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 8:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

Who suggested it should be "ignored", Soren?

Concern about it should be placed in proportion. Islamist Terrorism is a minor problem for the overwhelming majority of the world's population. You are in greater danger from being struck by lightning than you are of being killed by an Islamist Terrorist.

If Western Governments were to address the root causes of Islamism and it's Terrorists, it would largely disappear, Soren. Your hatred and intolerance is one of it's driving forces. Your refusal to tolerate moderate, mainstream Islam shows how short sighted you are, Soren. Roll Eyes

If Western governments address the root causes of Islamism - Islam - you squeal like a stuck pig about Islamophobia.

You are a stupid, white supremacist git, Bwian.
It is now up to the white man - Western Governments - to educate and guide thee unruly, out of hand brown musulmans about correct behaviour and because the white man is not guiding nature's wild musulman children, the white man's hand is bitten by said wild brown musulmans.

You are so blinkered and stupid that you do not see just how racist and supremacist your very stand is - musulmans would not be thee way they are if only white people were behaving differently. You present mohammedans as unable to make choices and so they are mere automaton who blow his way or that simply because thee white man.

You are an idiot of unique standing, Bwian. Carry on, fool, let us see what other shite is churning in what you are pleased to call your mind.

If Western governments address the root causes of Islamism - Islam - you squeal like a stuck pig about Islamophobia.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 52831 Gender:	Re: Islamophobe’s Logic Reply #89 - Jun 27^th, 2018 at 8:19pm Gus, Bwian, fold your arms into each others and walk down the road singing dirges about Islamophobia.
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