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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline In your damn fate Posts: 26738 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Premium unleaded at $1.70. Wow what a bargain !! Reply #15 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 3:41am That is kind of the point about my post saying that we should be using resources of our own land rather than that of the Middle East dictating to our terms of how much we pay.
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Reply #16 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:34am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 3:41am:

That is kind of the point about my post saying that we should be using resources of our own land rather than that of the Middle East dictating to our terms of how much we pay.

Sure. But electric cars are plain stupid in this country. We do not have the population density or other infrastructure required to make them economically feasible. And why would we go for electric when we have all this other cheap and almost non polluting energy source. Add to that battery replacement and disposal.

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Reply #18 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:43am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 8:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Whilst these lucky Tesla owners enjoy a free charge at the local shopping mall Wink

This is something you would never ever see at any fossil fool bowser Sad

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Supercharging

Below are additional program details which apply to Tesla vehicles under the Supercharger program.

Model S and X receive 400 kWh (~1,600 km) of Supercharger credits annually.

For usage above the complimentary annual credits provided, a small fee applies.

Model 3 does not receive annual Supercharger credits, and a small fee applies to Supercharge.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/support/supercharging

$120 K plus government charges for cheapest Tesla in Australia

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/brand-new/tesla/?sortby=~Price&offset=0&setype=...

Lithium batteries only last for around 2000 cycles then they need to be replaced which would be very expensive which is a fact idiots like rustynail ignore

Really f.ckface ?? After the 2000th charge they are completely dead ??

Youtube isn't a credible source ya dopey dim wit.

If lithium batteries last forever why have Apple, Samsung ,etc not figured this out with their lithium batteries for phones and computers, how long do lithium batteries last in phones and computers?

With your youtube nonsense does charging battery to 80% to make it last longer mean range is reduced by 20% on advertised range from Tesla?

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Reply #19 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:22pm

rhino wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 12:45am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 11:10pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 12:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Whilst these lucky Tesla owners enjoy a free charge at the local shopping mall Wink

This is something you would never ever see at any fossil fool bowser Sad

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/TeslaAtChadtsone_-_Copy__2_.jpg

No way in the world these charging stations are going to remain free. I can guarantee that as soon as there is a big changeover to electric it will cost the same as petrol to charge up. Let the suckers buy electric.

Would you rather see people charge their cars for the relative cost of what a petrol car would cost, just so that the Middle East gets off their smug arses and realise that the world does not rely on them any more?

I look forward to the day when I switch on the news and find out that the Middle East cannot fund their stupid wars because the oil industries can't fund the armies for the sake of who gets to live where over there.

Id rather see us use what we have abundant resources of and which is relatively non polluting. i.e.natural gas.

You do realize natural gas is a fossil fuel and also realeases lots of methane. It’s burns a little cleaner but it’s still just liquid gasoline. Wink

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Reply #20 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:26pm

rhino wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:34am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 3:41am:

That is kind of the point about my post saying that we should be using resources of our own land rather than that of the Middle East dictating to our terms of how much we pay.

Sure. But electric cars are plain stupid in this country. We do not have the population density or other infrastructure required to make them economically feasible. And why would we go for electric when we have all this other cheap and almost non polluting energy source. Add to that battery replacement and disposal.

Every house is a recharge station and when the batteries finally need replacing they are almost 100% recyclable.
Liquid petroleum gas is still petrol.............and all the effects to underground water really worth the hassle. Wink

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Reply #21 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:28pm

minarchist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

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Lithium batteries only last for around 2000 cycles then they need to be replaced which would be very expensive which is a fact idiots like rustynail ignore

In fairness, current lithium batteries have the ability to be charged at higher Depth of Discharge levels with little degradation to the battery. Someone who currently owns an EV that makes short trips and charges their vehicle every night could see their battery pack last for 20,000 cycles.

I think this answers your question lee about discharges Wink

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Reply #22 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:33pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 8:17am:

[quote author=thelastnail link=1528261960/0#0 date=1528261960]Whilst these lucky Tesla owners enjoy a free charge at the local shopping mall Wink

This is something you would never ever see at any fossil fool bowser Sad

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Supercharging

Below are additional program details which apply to Tesla vehicles under the Supercharger program.

Model S and X receive 400 kWh (~1,600 km) of Supercharger credits annually.

For usage above the complimentary annual credits provided, a small fee applies.

Model 3 does not receive annual Supercharger credits, and a small fee applies to Supercharge.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/support/supercharging

$120 K plus government charges for cheapest Tesla in Australia

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/brand-new/tesla/?sortby=~Price&offset=0&setype=...

Lithium batteries only last for around 2000 cycles then they need to be replaced which would be very expensive which is a fact idiots like rustynail ignore

Really f.ckface ?? After the 2000th charge they are completely

Youtube isn't a credible source ya dopey dim wit.

If lithium batteries last forever why have Apple, Samsung ,etc not figured this out with their lithium batteries for phones and computers, how long do lithium batteries last in phones and computers?

With your youtube nonsense does charging battery to 80% to make it last longer mean range is reduced by 20% on advertised range from Tesla?

what it means if a Tesla has a 600 km range and you need to drive every day 100 km u only have it topped up to 480 km range ( which is 80%) then if u need the full range , that night fill it to full. Wink

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Reply #23 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:38pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 8:17am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Whilst these lucky Tesla owners enjoy a free charge at the local shopping mall Wink

This is something you would never ever see at any fossil fool bowser Sad

Quote:

Supercharging

Below are additional program details which apply to Tesla vehicles under the Supercharger program.

Model S and X receive 400 kWh (~1,600 km) of Supercharger credits annually.

For usage above the complimentary annual credits provided, a small fee applies.

Model 3 does not receive annual Supercharger credits, and a small fee applies to Supercharge.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/support/supercharging

$120 K plus government charges for cheapest Tesla in Australia

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/brand-new/tesla/?sortby=~Price&offset=0&setype=...

Lithium batteries only last for around 2000 cycles then they need to be replaced which would be very expensive which is a fact idiots like rustynail ignore

Really f.ckface ?? After the 2000th charge they are completely dead ??

Youtube isn't a credible source ya dopey dim wit.

If lithium batteries last forever why have Apple, Samsung ,etc not figured this out with their lithium batteries for phones and computers, how long do lithium batteries last in phones and computers?

With your youtube nonsense does charging battery to 80% to make it last longer mean range is reduced by 20% on advertised range from Tesla?

Then refute what he has said with evidence to the contrary or STFU !!

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Reply #24 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:39pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 8:17am:

[quote author=thelastnail link=1528261960/0#0 date=1528261960]Whilst these lucky Tesla owners enjoy a free charge at the local shopping mall Wink

This is something you would never ever see at any fossil fool bowser Sad

Quote:

Supercharging

Below are additional program details which apply to Tesla vehicles under the Supercharger program.

Model S and X receive 400 kWh (~1,600 km) of Supercharger credits annually.

For usage above the complimentary annual credits provided, a small fee applies.

Model 3 does not receive annual Supercharger credits, and a small fee applies to Supercharge.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/support/supercharging

$120 K plus government charges for cheapest Tesla in Australia

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/brand-new/tesla/?sortby=~Price&offset=0&setype=...

Lithium batteries only last for around 2000 cycles then they need to be replaced which would be very expensive which is a fact idiots like rustynail ignore

Really f.ckface ?? After the 2000th charge they are completely

Youtube isn't a credible source ya dopey dim wit.

If lithium batteries last forever why have Apple, Samsung ,etc not figured this out with their lithium batteries for phones and computers, how long do lithium batteries last in phones and computers?

With your youtube nonsense does charging battery to 80% to make it last longer mean range is reduced by 20% on advertised range from Tesla?

what it means if a Tesla has a 600 km range and you need to drive every day 100 km u only have it topped up to 480 km range ( which is 80%) then if u need the full range , that night fill it to full. Wink

The libbos brain dead argument is that the batteries will always be fully depleted each day doing the full 600 km range Cheesy

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Reply #25 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 2:04pm

Yeah it’s easy to ignore that it costs a quarter the price to use electricity than petrol for the same distance.
Tesla say that thair drivetrain and battery will last 1.6 million kms but even if only 2000 cycles it’s 1.2 million kms
Electric cars can be charged over night so no need for gas stations ever again unless it’s a long trip over 600 kms in a day....
Almost no servicing for the life of the car.
No fumes and quiet ,
The biggest thing is getting rid of crude oil from the Middle East
Still plenty against Evs but the positives r stacking up

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Reply #26 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 2:54pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

minarchist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

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Lithium batteries only last for around 2000 cycles then they need to be replaced which would be very expensive which is a fact idiots like rustynail ignore

In fairness, current lithium batteries have the ability to be charged at higher Depth of Discharge levels with little degradation to the battery. Someone who currently owns an EV that makes short trips and charges their vehicle every night could see their battery pack last for 20,000 cycles.

I think this answers your question lee about discharges Wink

You do understand the word "could"?

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Reply #27 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 5:30pm

lee wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 2:54pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

minarchist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

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Lithium batteries only last for around 2000 cycles then they need to be replaced which would be very expensive which is a fact idiots like rustynail ignore

In fairness, current lithium batteries have the ability to be charged at higher Depth of Discharge levels with little degradation to the battery. Someone who currently owns an EV that makes short trips and charges their vehicle every night could see their battery pack last for 20,000 cycles.

I think this answers your question lee about discharges Wink

You do understand the word "could"?

so it show's that lots of partial cycles doesn't hurt the battery like you where suggesting Lee... wouldn't it be terrible if it COULD only do 19000 Mini cycles...... Wink

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Reply #28 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 5:46pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 5:30pm:

so it show's that lots of partial cycles doesn't hurt the battery like you where suggesting Lee... wouldn't it be terrible if it COULD only do 19000 Mini cycles....

Any EVIDENCE of that?

I see they claim 20,000 cycles for lithium titanate batteries. I see no evidence of their use in EV's. But possibly Powerwalls.

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Reply #29 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:08pm

lee wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 11:40am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 7^th, 2018 at 1:33pm:

a Tesla does 600kms a cycle so that's 1.200.000 km on a battery.

That's only if you do 600km's before you recharge. If as stated elsewhere you recharge overnight, every night, that brings it right down.

Proof Lee ? Wink

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