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Reply #30 - May 14^th, 2018 at 4:28am

Frustrated normally ignored LostSnail is pumping the "posts".

Shows tremendous intelligence in copying another post and adding a bit of dribble.

But with enormous relief to get away from the humdrum of LostSnail and onto something actually factual and interesting.

Daniel Drummond
Answered Aug 3, 2017
The problem with any electric car, is that you cannot depend on it in a weather disaster. In 2005, for example, Houston suffered a hurricane, and some parts of town were out of power for weeks.

Some of my neighbors had electric cars. They ran out of charge quickly and became useless. Gas-powered cars had a dependability that was invisible until electricity was unavailable.

Also, I have yet to see an electric vehicle which is powerful enough to tow stalled cars, or which can handle high water areas, for that matter potholes. They are wonderful in optimal conditions … but you don’t always have optimal conditions.

Alberto Formenti, System Engeneer specialized in Microsoft Collaboration
Answered Jul 12, 2017
Well I’m definitely a big fan of fuel cell, and I think that Hydrogen fuel cell electric cars are the only true solution for the future. So I’m pretty skeptical about all battery powered cars…

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Reply #31 - May 14^th, 2018 at 4:37am

It will indeed be a relief when hydrogen cars finally make all electric obsolete (for the 2nd time).

Do electric cars cause cancer?
Federico A. Nazar, Prof. Updated Jan 7

“Without fail many malformations will be found on birds who had been living in the nest on the electrical transformer.”
Source: Mitch Rezman's answer to Do power lines affect the health of birds, when they perch on them?

Do you still want to sit on top of a carcinogenic power line many hours per day/week?

The carcinogenic effect of Electro-Magnetic Fields (EMFs) is related to:

Power: car engines must move near 1 ton (1000 kg, 2000 pounds), not a small household appliance.
Distance: damage decreases with the square of the distance (1/d2). That’s the reason in most countries you cannot build near high tension power lines (at least 100 meters/ 300 feet).

In an e-car, you are sitting right next to the engine/s and on top of a high voltage electric power line!

Insulation: it is possible to create shields (like the one on the door of your microwave oven) but they don’t eliminate EMFs, only reduce them. The fact that e-cars don’t have such a protection, makes us wonder if they are not effective considering the previous points or maybe the industry doesn’t want to
a) increase costs even if it costs your life or
b) raise consumer awareness on this issue, which could kill the industry.

Think about it: laptops do not comply with the guidelines from the World Health Organization… the recommendation is to place a metal layer beneath it to reduce the proven high carcinogenic effect.

Exposure: the time you spend near injuring EMFs is crucial. It is not the same if you drive 2 hours a day or if you are a professional driver of an e-bus or e-train, just as it is not the same to play the Russian roulette one time or a thousand times: you could get killed at the first time or never but epidemically, it will eventually show up.

Conclusions

Beg your politician to:

a) stop regulations artificially killing the combustion engine and

b) avoid promoting e-buses and e-cars and e-trams and e-trains

Epidemically, fuel combustion cars (f-cars) are the lesser evil. They generate carcinogenic fumes but they dissipate in the air, unless you live in terribly enclosed cities without winds like Santiago of Chile. Still, you are not directly injuring the passengers like with e-cars.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Tesla crash battery burns people alive Reply #32 - May 14^th, 2018 at 10:25am Just for YouLiar: https://medium.com/@elanf/on-the-tesla-model-3-6b5acabd8ff5
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Reply #33 - May 14^th, 2018 at 11:29am

Sir lastnail wrote on May 13^th, 2018 at 11:34pm:

or a figure contained in a bank computer database which also represents an amount of printed dollar bills with no intrinsic value ?? Is it not true you would wreck the planet because of this ? History is sure to treat you and you ilk quite harshly.

Still talking sh!t.

Now that we have established you would indeed use sea shells as a means of exchange; when the corn supplier says "I don't want shells; I want a knapped flint axe"; you would need to go through an intermediary who would hopefully settle a three way deal, depending on the days prices. Three sheep for one cow? Damn, sounds like we are getting back to a "stock" exchange. Grin

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Reply #34 - May 14^th, 2018 at 1:04pm

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 11:29am:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 13^th, 2018 at 11:34pm:

or a figure contained in a bank computer database which also represents an amount of printed dollar bills with no intrinsic value ?? Is it not true you would wreck the planet because of this ? History is sure to treat you and you ilk quite harshly.

Still talking sh!t.

Now that we have established you would indeed use sea shells as a means of exchange; when the corn supplier says "I don't want shells; I want a knapped flint axe"; you would need to go through an intermediary who would hopefully settle a three way deal, depending on the days prices. Three sheep for one cow? Damn, sounds like we are getting back to a "stock" exchange. Grin

So when the Federal Reserve banks prints its money you know they worked very hard for it don't you Cheesy

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30920 Gender:	Re: Tesla crash battery burns people alive Reply #35 - May 14^th, 2018 at 1:05pm juliar wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 4:37am: *It will indeed be a relief when hydrogen cars finally make all electric obsolete (for the 2nd time).* And especially when an electric truck company will be producing their own hydrogen and not buying any from your greedy mates LOL
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Reply #36 - May 14^th, 2018 at 1:07pm

juliar wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 4:37am:

Do you still want to sit on top of a carcinogenic power line many hours per day/week?

As opposed to a carcinogenic tailpipe emitting noxious gasses that we all breath in Sad

Give it a break socko. Now you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this cut and paste crap. Cheesy

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Reply #37 - May 14^th, 2018 at 1:12pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 10:25am:

Just for YouLiar:

https://medium.com/@elanf/on-the-tesla-model-3-6b5acabd8ff5

Hey socko did you read this ?? Tesla can't keep up with demand of its new Tesla Model 3. Unlike Holden and Ford which had to close its doors making old oily stuff nobody wanted.

Clunk, clunk, clunk, clunkety, clunk...clunk...burp...fart.... Cheesy

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla crash battery burns people alive Reply #38 - May 14^th, 2018 at 2:05pm LostSnail has become hysterical pumping out mindless dribble like it was going out of style. What a waste of space.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 23343 ACT Gender:	Re: Tesla crash battery burns people alive Reply #39 - May 14^th, 2018 at 2:15pm Usual nonsense from the Lib stooge idiot Juliar!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20684 Gender:	Re: Tesla crash battery burns people alive Reply #40 - May 14^th, 2018 at 2:24pm Sir lastnail wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 1:04pm: So when the Federal Reserve banks prints its money you know they worked very hard for it don't you You really believe a centralised common currency is bad? You are getting more stupid.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Tesla crash battery burns people alive Reply #41 - May 14^th, 2018 at 5:33pm Is that possible ?
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Reply #42 - May 14^th, 2018 at 5:48pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 14^th, 2018 at 1:12pm:

Tesla can't keep up with demand of its new Tesla Model 3.

"Over the last few weeks, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been showing a lot of confidence about fixing the problems that have created delays in the automaker’s Model 3 production ramp up.

The latest solution is apparently a hackathon to fix two problematic robot bottlenecks in the Model 3 production process.

Tesla originally planned for the Model 3 production to be the most automated production car program in the industry, but now Musk has admitted that they made some mistakes with the automation effort."

https://electrek.co/2018/05/13/tesla-hackathon-robots-model-3-production/

That wouldn't seem something to boast about. Wink

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Reply #43 - May 14^th, 2018 at 7:19pm

Why you would have to be masochistic to lumber yourself with an electric heap.

Damiano Celent
Answered Jun 27, 2017
Oh yes, there are many who regret buying a Tesla, you need to look no further than the Tesla forums where the people are not totally brainwashed(anymore), and people who actually bought the cars, not some fanboys who have drunken the Musk-Aide and will never get a Tesla.

There are many reasons, here is a best of collection, or rather, the hall of shame:

Service centers too far away and not answering calls, parts not available, cars in shops for weeks, sometimes without resolutions
Doors not opening when the car is exposed to sunny and hot weather
AP1 does not get upgrades, it never will , AP2 is not even on par with AP1 yet, will never be.
Drive train failures
Some cars cannot be charged, CPU replacement does not work
Wheels falling off
Auto Pilot is a beta software, do you know what a beta software is? An unfinished product.
Battery unprotected on uneven roads, they sometimes wanna charge up to 45k usd to replace this
Lying and over promising sales people and staff
Wheels falling off, literally, totalling the cars in the process
Leaking windows
There are many more and the 91% happy customers is a total BS number, have a look at this link and tell me if that is 91% happy customers.

Michael of Los Angeles, CA Verified Reviewer
Original review: April 11, 2018
My wife and I ordered a Tesla Model X a couple months ago. Originally, the expected delivery date wasn’t until May ‘18 but to my surprise I received a call from them in early March saying my car was ready and asked that we pick it up by March 31, which not coincidentally is the last day of their fiscal quarter. From the very first day (mind you this was 1.5 weeks ago) we were having problems with the car from a strange rattling sound emanating from the vehicle and the sound of wind as we drove suggesting the doors weren’t properly screwed on. We obviously were disappointed that we were having problems from the get-go on a brand new very expensive car but it shouldn’t be a surprise given the reviews I’m now reading online and my friend’s own disastrous experience with the Model X (steering problems, inability to turn the vehicle on and gullwing door malfunction to name a few).

We were particularly worried whether the car was unsafe given I have a newborn (3-weeks old) and a 2 year old toddler that rides in the car with us. So when we took the car to the shop last week we were particularly shocked when the technician thought we may have a suspension problem given the noise... FYI I still don’t know what the actual problem is. After thinking for a bit, it sort of doesn’t surprise me. You see, I follow Tesla’s stock (and thus the company) so I know that given the company’s cash burn, inability to make Wall Street numbers, recent death of a Model X owner, etc. that the company was feeling the pressure to make consensus estimates for deliveries.

Press reports suggested a big push at the end of the quarter to “hit numbers” and what I suspect happened is that the quality control during production went down in the pursuit of pumping out car deliveries by the end of the quarter. My guess is I’m not the only one that was delivered a flawed Tesla vehicle. I just hope that safety wasn’t compromised in the process... After spending hours of our time dealing with Tesla, I would have to say the customer service sucks. They try to appease you by sounding nice but no one I spoke to wanted to take any responsibility and took multiple of the same conversation with different employees who just passed me onto another employee. Needless to say, this was a highly disappointing purchase from the get-go.

Vinod of Neasden, Other Verified Reviewer Verified Buyer
Original review: March 29, 2018 I have owned a Model S for just over a year, recently the ball joint broke on the front right hand wheel, Tesla were very quick to deny liability stating that the car must have been in a collision and that was the cause. Furthermore they sent me an estimate from one of their preferred body shops for just under £8000
Really!!! I'm no mechanic but that's a lot of money for a ball joint. Tesla seem to be selling a lot of cars but are lacking customer service. Great to drive but make sure you don't take it out of its comfort zone. Won't be buying another one of those in a hurry.

Eugene of San Francisco, CA Verified Reviewer Verified Buyer
Original review: Nov. 21, 2017
In 2016 my Tesla Model S delivered with paint defect (front hood), missing side panel, only the latter was addressed at delivery but the former requires full repainting of hood. Noted in delivery but was asked for accept delivery as-is. During 2017, multiple door seams started coming off from the sides and had to be repaired in the shop. While it was being repaired as part of the first annual service, service center staff damaged front side door leather panel (scratched and cut) and left dried glue on the back body.

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Reply #44 - May 14^th, 2018 at 8:00pm

And the self punishment continues.

Aruna of Mclean, VA Verified Reviewer
Original review: Oct. 29, 2017
Bought in May 2017 --- in shop for creaky motors, trunk does not open properly, creaks when braking. It was in the shop for all these reasons just a couple of months after purchase. When it came back, the trunk still did not open properly, the creaking lessened to a loud wheeze and then a new problem - the sensors in the doors are not ready for market - they are not smart - just robotic - so if I had something blocking me in spot A today, it sees spot A as someplace it won't open -- stupid application of what was originally a smart idea. The manual override works but not all the time. The creaky motor and the rest of the experiment that is Model X made me wonder if I had bought a LEMON for all of $125 K. I realized we had when I had my first experience of what is known as "Sudden Unintended Acceleration" as I was slowing to a halt very nonchalantly at a signal.

The car SUDDENLY accelerated to a spooky pace and crashed into the Toyota truck in front. There was less than a car length between the 2 cars and the acceleration while dangerous resulted in a collision and nonlife threatening injuries. Tesla of course denies anything wrong with the car. They obviously can't admit anything wrong with their experiment. Both my husband and I have changed our cars. We both had Teslas. Mine is in the shop but we don't plan to get behind that wheel again. We may buy an electric car when it is tried and tested by a real car manufacturer and the technology is set in. No one wants to be in a car that just accelerates on its own. My first accident and it is NOT of my doing. Where are the institutions that are supposed to insist on better quality control and testing! I want my money back. I was sold a LEMON and this car is a public menace. Drivers beware!

Manish of Visalia, CA Verified Reviewer
Original review: Oct. 28, 2017
Bought my Tesla S on September 30th 2017. Have not driven it much since I got it. Had problems installing my charger. So drive it for 300 miles and noticed the passenger front door and back passenger door did not line up. Then the passenger door behind the driver side the door handle stayed in unlock position while in the drive mode. Kept on hearing a grinding noise. Noticed the door handle was popped open. When placed in park, the door just pops open. It happened like this more than once. Then water moisture built up between the two doors. I called service and no one responded until a week past. Then it was too late and drove it to where I bought the car. No service manager or store manager on duty. Dropped off my car and they called me in a day that the car was ready. Not happy with car. Still have to pick it up and inspect it.

Jean of Randolph, NJ Verified Reviewer
Original review: March 9, 2017
Model S - Prior to the purchase - I thought I had done all my homework. But after recently reading and viewing photos of some Tesla vehicles in minor accidents -- I now realize that the car is anything but durable as so many posters unknowingly here refer to it as. Durable means strong and long-lasting. What they don't know is that the chassis is made of Aluminum, which is very light weight compared to Steel, (outdoor painted aluminium will eventually fade) and when your vehicle hits or is hit by something, even a very minor rear-end tap may cause the liftgate, liftgate window, both rear panels and the bumper to crumple into an awesome mess, which is extremely costly to repair.

And since Tesla makes their own parts, and is busy making the parts to meet their new delivery numbers - a simple 1 month accident repair with another car -- can and does take up to 6 months for Tesla to supply the parts to their own authorized Body Shops; you can only use their authorized Body Shop. So now I'm more worried than the average person of becoming involved in an accident. And that takes all the fun of owning a Tesla.

Arif of Laguna Niguel, CA Verified Reviewer
Original review: Feb. 27, 2017
I have purchased a total of 4 Tesla's (3 Model S and 1 model X), after the first car the sales support has become a nightmare. They don't give a crap about fixing your problems. Example... 1 week after we got the Model X the window was leaking. We called them and they gave us a date 1 MONTH later to bring our car. After me talking to the management they finally moved the date.

I just bought a P100D 3 months ago, they messed up on the price of the Auto Pilot, 4 weeks after we took delivery they called and informed me that I owed them money and if I don't pay it they will remotely remove the feature... which would be a safety issue. There was no remorse from any of their employees. I even talked with the District Manager. Their basic response was... "screw you. We don't care if you are a customer, pay the $ or we will shut off the feature." Mind you I paid them whatever they wanted at the time of delivery.

Also, we paid for the additional $8600 two weeks ago, we called them today to inquire why our number plates had not arrived and their answer "We did not submit your rego until you paid the extra $8600 for the auto pilot. WTF!!! I paid them over $120,000 and they held the rego hostage. These people are ** thugs. DON'T BUY A TESLA FROM COSTA MESA. THEY WILL SCREW YOU!!! These people are arrogant and treat you like CRAP once you buy the car. I WILL NEVER BUY A TESLA AGAIN!

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