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Reply #30 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 6:54pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 6:29pm:

Not really, but it will do. It is a cop out excuse, and the person who said that was Morrison.

yep. I saw that and it applies to Labor as well. Politicians. You just can't trust them.

Politics - noun. Poli -many Ticks - blood sucking parasites.

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 6:29pm:

I still have not seen any cogent evidence (that Poll was not relevant) which suggests Shorten ought to have been alerted to this outrageous behaviour when he was the relevant Minister.

Ok. So you don't think in his plethora of office staff he tasks someone to review the papers each day. Especially polls which could impact the portfolio.

I guess that makes you very naive, at the very least. Wink

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 6:29pm:

I reckon that is a very dry well, and you are desperate to find some way to remove current responsibility, and for many years, from the LNP.

Nope. Current responsibility resides with both sides of Politics.

Did you notice one of my first responses went back to the 1980's.

lee wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 4:05pm:

But Labor’s Achilles heel is its fearful refusal to reappraise Labor’s dominant contribution to financial deregulation, and thus question the untouchable era of the gods Keating and Hawke.

Even while Labor was furthering the deregulation of the financial sector in the mid-1980s, the banking sector’s dysfunctionality was in evidence.

It goes waaaay back.

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Reply #31 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 6:57pm

The way I see it, the ALP proposed a Royal Commission into the banking sector at the last election which Malcolm Turnbull rejected as unnecessary....Turnbull introduced tougher penalties as a way to stave of the RC and still rejected any assertion that an enquiry was needed....Then a few rouge National MP's threatened to cross the floor and Malcolm had a change of heart and called a RC into the financial sector...Malcolm Turnbull has no credibility what so ever on this issue!!!

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 37710 Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Reply #32 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:01pm Lee......Sure, the Poll was there. Gee..it asked people if they reckon Bank fees were too high. Amazing they said, yes. "Are you paying too much in Bank fees?" Who is going to answer....'No.'
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Reply #33 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:29pm juliar wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 12:41pm: Polly Waffle's mindless SPAMMING continues. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/11/12/402F68F100000578-4495430-image-m-24... Polly's HERO the cheap bastard should go to my Taylor so that he can get a properly fitted Suit... ffs..
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16457 Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Reply #34 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:36pm *
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Reply #35 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:42pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:01pm:

Lee......Sure, the Poll was there. Gee..it asked people if they reckon Bank fees were too high. Amazing they said, yes.

"Are you paying too much in Bank fees?"

Who is going to answer....'No.'

You got the question wrong and the answer wrong.

lee wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 4:11pm:

Back in 2012 Essential asked voters how, specifically, they would like the banks to be controlled. Ninety per cent wanted the government to fix bank fees. Eighty-one per cent wanted the government to fix the salaries of bank CEOs. Seventy-four per cent wanted to forcefully peg interest rates to the Reserve Bank's monthly interest rate determinations.

You do understand the word "controlled"? It could have included the above terms and more.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57189 Here Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Reply #36 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:42pm Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Bill isn't at the wheel.
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Reply #37 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:50pm

lee wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:01pm:

Lee......Sure, the Poll was there. Gee..it asked people if they reckon Bank fees were too high. Amazing they said, yes.

"Are you paying too much in Bank fees?"

Who is going to answer....'No.'

You got the question wrong and the answer wrong.

lee wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 4:11pm:

Back in 2012 Essential asked voters how, specifically, they would like the banks to be controlled. Ninety per cent wanted the government to fix bank fees. Eighty-one per cent wanted the government to fix the salaries of bank CEOs. Seventy-four per cent wanted to forcefully peg interest rates to the Reserve Bank's monthly interest rate determinations.

You do understand the word "controlled"? It could have included the above terms and more.

So.....who is going to answer, "No."

Dumb Poll question. Got the outcome it wanted. Where is the evidence Shorten knew or ought to have known THEN that these pricks were up to the schit which is being revealed now?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57189 Here Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Reply #38 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 8:00pm lee wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:36pm: it doesn't appear in the promises list. http://past.electionwatch.edu.au/australia-2013/election-rewind/promises-registe... Maybe because 2013 wasn't the last election ?
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Reply #39 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 8:04pm

lee wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 4:11pm:

"Back in 2012 Essential asked voters how, specifically, they would like the banks to be controlled. Ninety per cent wanted the government to fix bank fees. Eighty-one per cent wanted the government to fix the salaries of bank CEOs. Seventy-four per cent wanted to forcefully peg interest rates to the Reserve Bank's monthly interest rate determinations."

"We can debate how heavily regulated companies should be, but surely we can agree that the regulation should be transparent.

Into that political void has fallen Bill Shorten and his royal commission into banks - an exercise that appears more about adverse publicity rather than a genuine desire for reform.

After all, if Shorten had any grand regulatory dreams for the sector he had ample opportunity to chase them in the three years he spent as Minister for Financial Services and Superannuation."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-19/berg-no-wonder-we-hate-the-banks/7336768

Still the ABC.

You think this means something.

Back in 2012 Australia was desperately trying to recover from the impact of the GFC it was all a bit of a mess. There would not be a worse possible time to have a go at the banking sector.

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Reply #40 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 8:54pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:50pm:

So.....who is going to answer, "No."

Poor little Aussie clinging grimly to his fantasy. Doesn't realise -

Fixing bank fees wouldn't CONTROL the banks.
Fixed salaries for Bank CEO's wouldn't CONTROL the banks.
Pegging interest rates wouldn't Control the banks.

What other questions were asked? I am not sure that those simple ones were the only ones. Only reporting those with a large measure of support.

I can't find the actual questions asked but I did find this -

"Yet, we also see enormous levels of support for bank regulation of various forms – from interest rates to salary caps to fee regulation, while even supporting a super profits tax on our banking sector. "

https://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2012/06/11/what-australians-believe/

As I said I remain unconvinced those simple questions were all that were asked.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16457 Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Reply #41 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 8:58pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 8:00pm: lee wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 7:36pm: it doesn't appear in the promises list. http://past.electionwatch.edu.au/australia-2013/election-rewind/promises-registe... Maybe because 2013 wasn't the last election ? That's why I deleted the post.
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Reply #42 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 9:02pm

Even if Labor had started a banking RC they would have stuffed it up as the unions would be up to their armpits in it trying to get money from the banks.

Labor had their hands full with a collapsing economy and an abortive collapsing NeverBuiltNetwork that they could not afford.

Polly Waffle what is a rtard ? Are you one of those ? What is your next abortive idea after your humiliating embarrassment with your 30th drubbing ?

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Reply #43 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 9:03pm

Piss off with the 'poor little Aussie' patronage. Lee......You aren't good enough to carry that off and get away with it by a very long shot. Marking your own homework as you do is not a good indicator, Lee.

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What other questions were asked? I am not sure that those simple ones were the only ones. Only reporting those with a large measure of support.

I can't find the actual questions asked but I did find this -

Yes.....and it does not stop you from shooting your mouth off.....in ignorance.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16457 Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten asleep at the wheel Reply #44 - Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 9:06pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2018 at 8:04pm: Back in 2012 Australia was desperately trying to recover from the impact of the GFC it was all a bit of a mess. Got a reference for that. I can't find one.
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