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Reply #15 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars.

You misunderstand me. I have no ideological problems with EVs. My problems are very much pragmatic ones. Why would I - or anyone else for that matter - buy a car that costs twice as much as a regular car and yet cannot go as far or be as convenient? I wouldn't... and no one else does either - hence the 0.5% sales so far.

Why on earth should I consider a car which has such significant limitations? And I am seriously doubting how recharge time issues will ever be fixed and certainly not in a way that will ever compare to the convenience of petrol. The entire reasons we have petrol cars int he first place is that it is the world's densest energy source that is plentiful and easily transported. Simply, it works and works well.

If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines.

your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years.
Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep.

The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway.
Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject.
I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor
I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells.
So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well.
All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years.

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Reply #16 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:03pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars.

You misunderstand me. I have no ideological problems with EVs. My problems are very much pragmatic ones. Why would I - or anyone else for that matter - buy a car that costs twice as much as a regular car and yet cannot go as far or be as convenient? I wouldn't... and no one else does either - hence the 0.5% sales so far.

Why on earth should I consider a car which has such significant limitations? And I am seriously doubting how recharge time issues will ever be fixed and certainly not in a way that will ever compare to the convenience of petrol. The entire reasons we have petrol cars int he first place is that it is the world's densest energy source that is plentiful and easily transported. Simply, it works and works well.

If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines.

your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years.
Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep.

The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway.
Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject.
I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor
I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells.
So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well.
All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years.

RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders.

Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES.

Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all.

Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate.

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Reply #17 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:26pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but id say year after that its the first electric car is could afford with enough range to get here. A Model X is around $200000 here
The new Nissan is supposed to be here as well but until the 500k range comes in I wouldn't be interested.
I live about 200kms from work and even though a 250km vehicle would do the job knowing one could take me to work and back home again would be better.
The ice version of the kona tows 1500kg and I'm hoping for at least 1000kg so I can tow my old caravan around.
I live in Queensland and the government are making a charging station path for free along the coast, so if all goes well next year it will be done and I can camp up and down for free.
Well free isn't really the word the base 4wd ice is $30000 and the electric is said to be $50000
I was also thinking that with its 7kva onboard charger I can go from Caravan park to caravan park and recharge the kona at night.
At the moment my van is solar and I free camp but I pay for fuel, a hot shower at night and Aircon during summer for the same price a day is interesting.

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GENEVA MOTOR SHOW
HYUNDAI
KONA
This is the Hyundai Kona Electric. It is, somewhat predictably, a plug-in, zero-emission version of the little Kona crossover.

It launches with two different electric powertrains. A base version has a 186-mile range, 133bhp and a 0-62mph time of 9.3sec.

The one you probably want, though, is the ‘long-range’ version. As well as offering a claimed 292 miles between charges, it also has 201bhp and an almost hot hatch-like 7.6sec 0-62 sprint.

Mind, both have the same 291lb ft of torque (more than a Porsche 718 Cayman, or a 996 GT3) and their 104mph top speeds are identical. Naturally, the long-range version takes longer to charge, too; around 10 hours when it’s plugged into regular mains. The base Kona Electric can apparently gain 80 per cent of charge (so around 150 miles of driving) in an hour if you have a fast charger.
The Kona Electric looks suitably different to the standard Kona, so you’ll be able to shout about your eco credentials a bit. The grille is closed off and there are new 17in alloy wheels, though the regular car’s seeming infinite colour combinations are still available.

Inside, there’s a new centre console so account for the lack of a conventional gearbox, though there are paddleshifters behind the wheel, which are used to adjust how much energy the car recuperates under braking.

There’s loads more tech beneath the skin, too; there’s the bare bones of a self-driving car, with lane-keep assist, semi-autonomous cruise control and emergency braking with pedestrian detection. There’s also connection for every smartphone you can name, and you can pop your device onto a wireless charger if it’s new enough..............

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-little-...

that looks very good.

hard to take seriously an article that claims the EV Kona has more torque than a 718 Cayman when that isnt true. And comparing 9.3sec to 100km/hr and the caymans 4.9sec makes the claim even stupider.

Although ive never really taken much account top gear has to say on any of it reviews

this one is better and for australia
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/hyundai-kona-electric-2019-confirmed-for-a...
still has a crap load of torque on it
this is the porsche webpage
https://www.porsche.com/australia/models/718/718-cayman-models/718-cayman/drive/...
the kona will have 10 nb more than the base range and 70kw less power, which makes sense ,electric motors will always have more torque(100% at 0 rpm) than a petrol motor

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Reply #18 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:54pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:26pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

It looks like the Hyundai Kona is coming to Australia soon, as soon as end of the year but .

Quote:

GENEVA MOTOR SHOW
HYUNDAI
KONA
This is the Hyundai Kona Electric. It is, somewhat predictably, a plug-in, zero-emission version of the little Kona crossover.

It launches with two different electric powertrains. A base version has a 186-mile range, 133bhp and a 0-62mph time of 9.3sec.

The one you probably want, though, is the ‘long-range’ version. As well as offering a claimed 292 miles between charges, it also has 201bhp and an almost hot hatch-like 7.6sec 0-62 sprint.

Mind, both have the same 291lb ft of torque (more than a Porsche 718 Cayman, or a 996 GT3) and their 104mph top speeds are identical. Naturally, the long-range version takes longer to charge, too; around 10 hours when it’s plugged into regular mains. The base Kona Electric can apparently gain 80 per cent of charge (so around 150 miles of driving) in an hour if you have a fast charger.
The Kona Electric looks suitably different to the standard Kona, so you’ll be able to shout about your eco credentials a bit. The grille is closed off and there are new 17in alloy wheels, though the regular car’s seeming infinite colour combinations are still available.

Inside, there’s a new centre console so account for the lack of a conventional gearbox, though there are paddleshifters behind the wheel, which are used to adjust how much energy the car recuperates under braking.

There’s loads more tech beneath the skin, too; there’s the bare bones of a self-driving car, with lane-keep assist, semi-autonomous cruise control and emergency braking with pedestrian detection. There’s also connection for every smartphone you can name, and you can pop your device onto a wireless charger if it’s new enough..............

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/hyundai-kona-electric-little-...

that looks very good.

hard to take seriously an article that claims the EV Kona has more torque than a 718 Cayman when that isnt true. And comparing 9.3sec to 100km/hr and the caymans 4.9sec makes the claim even stupider.

Although ive never really taken much account top gear has to say on any of it reviews

this one is better and for australia
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/hyundai-kona-electric-2019-confirmed-for-a...
still has a crap load of torque on it
this is the porsche webpage
https://www.porsche.com/australia/models/718/718-cayman-models/718-cayman/drive/...
the kona will have 10 nb more than the base range and 70kw less power, which makes sense ,electric motors will always have more torque(100% at 0 rpm) than a petrol motor

not sure what point you are trying to make other than the Kona is slower than the porsche. Other than that why are you trying to compare oranges with apples?

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Reply #19 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars.

You misunderstand me. I have no ideological problems with EVs. My problems are very much pragmatic ones. Why would I - or anyone else for that matter - buy a car that costs twice as much as a regular car and yet cannot go as far or be as convenient? I wouldn't... and no one else does either - hence the 0.5% sales so far.

Why on earth should I consider a car which has such significant limitations? And I am seriously doubting how recharge time issues will ever be fixed and certainly not in a way that will ever compare to the convenience of petrol. The entire reasons we have petrol cars int he first place is that it is the world's densest energy source that is plentiful and easily transported. Simply, it works and works well.

If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines.

your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years.
Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep.

The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway.
Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject.
I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor
I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells.
So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well.
All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years.

RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders.

Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES.

Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all.

Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate.

ohh u mean the failed attempt 13 years ago of BMW , the amount of hyrdogen is appaling
The six-litre V12 Hydrogen 7 can cover a range of about 200km on its 8kg tank of liquid hydrogen
a mira fuel cell car uses 2 litres for 200kms and when it costs about $15 a litre. so mira cost $15 for 100kms, the camry is about $10 and a Model 3 tesla is about $7 in electricity. That BMW would be $60 for 100kms, so as i said lots more engineering to get it going..... one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

well 80% of the population live in the cities, so the average distance a car does in Australia is 14000kms a year, some less some more. I'm in the bush and why I want the kona so I know not everyone does 40kms a day however our second car only does 10000kms a year so we could easily get a ev when they r affordable.
once u mentioned hydrogen I though we where getting into make believe so I mentioned the wireless chargers and they r as viable as hydrogen just not very practical ....yet.

end of the year new teslas will have 1000kms range and thair semis have 800km range.
13 years ago when the bmw u like was realesed ev's where only golf carts, now the bmw is still the only one made and ev's are becoming the new standard for cars.

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Reply #20 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 5:52pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars.

If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines.

your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years.
Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep.

The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway.
Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject.
I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor
I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells.
So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well.
All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years.

RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders.

Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES.

Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all.

Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate.

ohh u mean the failed attempt 13 years ago of BMW , the amount of hyrdogen is appaling
The six-litre V12 Hydrogen 7 can cover a range of about 200km on its 8kg tank of liquid hydrogen
a mira fuel cell car uses 2 litres for 200kms and when it costs about $15 a litre. so mira cost $15 for 100kms, the camry is about $10 and a Model 3 tesla is about $7 in electricity. That BMW would be $60 for 100kms, so as i said lots more engineering to get it going..... one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

well 80% of the population live in the cities, so the average distance a car does in Australia is 14000kms a year, some less some more. I'm in the bush and why I want the kona so I know not everyone does 40kms a day however our second car only does 10000kms a year so we could easily get a ev when they r affordable.
once u mentioned hydrogen I though we where getting into make believe so I mentioned the wireless chargers and they r as viable as hydrogen just not very practical ....yet.

end of the year new teslas will have 1000kms range and thair semis have 800km range.
13 years ago when the bmw u like was realesed ev's where only golf carts, now the bmw is still the only one made and ev's are becoming the new standard for cars.

Look, you mindless dimwit. Let me see if it is possible to permeate your zealot brain. it is not about what EVs can DO... it is about what they CANNOT DO.

EVs are NOT the new standard of cars because almost no one buys them and the reason is because they are horrendously expensive and take too long to recharge.

A clever person - ie not a zealot - would see that plugin hybrids are the way to go. You get the best of both worlds and dont have to drive little tin cans and plan your 2000km trip over 7 days.

We have been promised electric cars for DECADES now and its only now that the technology even makes them feasible. But they are still a long long way away from replacing petrol cars, especially in low density countries like Australia.

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Reply #21 - May 1^st, 2018 at 6:54am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 5:52pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

I have range and recharge anxiety, but I'm also aware that those problems wont be solved if we use them as excuses never to develop or buy electric cars.

If we had any brains we would be using hydrogen as a fuel such as the BMW trial. it is emissions free and is effectively an electrical storage device that is actually refillable quickly and relatively easily. And the entire range of existing cars can use it with minimal change to engines.

your right, if we could get a electric car in Australia its more expensive and probable will be for a few more years.
Charging wont be a issue, a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia , 40kms average a day and those that do own a ev love that they never need to goto a gas station as they charge the car when they sleep.

The charging times and size of batteries r getting better and better and now they r trailing wireless charging, basically charge your vehicles as it goes along the highway.
Hydrogen might be good one day but its still has a lot of engineering to get good now. that could be a whole other subject.
I think your mistaking hydrogen gas added to normal fuel Like HITek in California r doing where they get 30% fuel decrease injecting hydrogen into a existing motor
I hydrogen fuel cell car is a whole other beast and no existing motors can use that technology they run on the fuel cells.
So far the only efficient way of getting hydrogen is using LPG so it kind of dumb and u need I think the gas pressurized to 6000 pounds and its a corrosive gas as well.
All I think fixable with engineering ,but will take years.

RE Hydrogen... Check out the BMW hydrogen project. They have quite successfully been able to reun existing cars on hydrogen compressed into super-safe cylinders.

Your claim about "a very small part of the population do big km's in Australia" is ludicrous. EVERYONE in rural australia does big kms. And most people in cities also like to go on holidays where they tend to.... DRIVE LONG DISTANCES.

Averages are pointless in this discussion because that's where EVs fail and fail badly. Most distances travelled are relatively short but when I want to do long distances, I can. Easily. EVs require careful planning at best or more likely, cant be done at all.

Wireless charging on highways is perhaps the biggest fantasy you have raised yet. The infrastructure cost would be beyond massive and absolutely impractical bordering on the impossible. And wireless charging is pretty easy for a phone, but an entirely different matter for thousand times the charge rate.

ohh u mean the failed attempt 13 years ago of BMW , the amount of hyrdogen is appaling
The six-litre V12 Hydrogen 7 can cover a range of about 200km on its 8kg tank of liquid hydrogen
a mira fuel cell car uses 2 litres for 200kms and when it costs about $15 a litre. so mira cost $15 for 100kms, the camry is about $10 and a Model 3 tesla is about $7 in electricity. That BMW would be $60 for 100kms, so as i said lots more engineering to get it going..... one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

well 80% of the population live in the cities, so the average distance a car does in Australia is 14000kms a year, some less some more. I'm in the bush and why I want the kona so I know not everyone does 40kms a day however our second car only does 10000kms a year so we could easily get a ev when they r affordable.
once u mentioned hydrogen I though we where getting into make believe so I mentioned the wireless chargers and they r as viable as hydrogen just not very practical ....yet.

end of the year new teslas will have 1000kms range and thair semis have 800km range.
13 years ago when the bmw u like was realesed ev's where only golf carts, now the bmw is still the only one made and ev's are becoming the new standard for cars.

Look, you mindless dimwit. Let me see if it is possible to permeate your zealot brain. it is not about what EVs can DO... it is about what they CANNOT DO.

EVs are NOT the new standard of cars because almost no one buys them and the reason is because they are horrendously expensive and take too long to recharge.

A clever person - ie not a zealot - would see that plugin hybrids are the way to go. You get the best of both worlds and dont have to drive little tin cans and plan your 2000km trip over 7 days.

We have been promised electric cars for DECADES now and its only now that the technology even makes them feasible. But they are still a long long way away from replacing petrol cars, especially in low density countries like Australia.

Yes chuck a little tanny and call me names if the arguments don't work, there r so many things ive said u haven't answered, just new crap and insults.
Now u bring in hybrids...... not even mentioned before...
then u say EV's r feasible, and ohh and Australia's population is very dense because everyone lives in cities.

2000km trip in 7 days
well unless u own a Tesla or if u buy any of the new EV's being made.

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Reply #23 - May 1^st, 2018 at 9:36am

miketrees wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 8:30am:

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars.

What will heating and cooling do to the range?

Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models
fun to play with.

Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

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Reply #24 - May 1^st, 2018 at 10:03am

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:36am:

miketrees wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 8:30am:

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars.

What will heating and cooling do to the range?

Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models
fun to play with.

Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do.

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Reply #25 - May 1^st, 2018 at 12:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:03am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:36am:

miketrees wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 8:30am:

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars.

What will heating and cooling do to the range?

Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models
fun to play with.

Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do.

there there weeken it will be ok.....
140000 zealots bought ev's last month.

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Re: Fanally a electric car in Aus i could use
Reply #26 - May 1^st, 2018 at 3:39pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:03am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:36am:

miketrees wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 8:30am:

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars.

What will heating and cooling do to the range?

Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models
fun to play with.

Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do.

there there weeken it will be ok.....
140000 zealots bought ev's last month.

out of 4 million cars last month. Your point? Particularly since none of them are YOUR purchase.

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Re: Fanally a electric car in Aus i could use
Reply #27 - May 1^st, 2018 at 5:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:03am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:36am:

miketrees wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 8:30am:

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars.

What will heating and cooling do to the range?

Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models
fun to play with.

Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do.

there there weeken it will be ok.....
140000 zealots bought ev's last month.

out of 4 million cars last month. Your point? Particularly since none of them are YOUR purchase.

Ohh that’s 3.5% of all cars for the year
No I haven’t. How about something else besides I don’t own one, it’s boring.
If u haven’t noticed this tread is about the electric vehical I want to get.

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Re: Fanally a electric car in Aus i could use
Reply #28 - May 1^st, 2018 at 6:29pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 12:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:03am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 9:36am:

miketrees wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 8:30am:

I think I would get aircon anxiety with electric cars.

What will heating and cooling do to the range?

Tesla actually have a temperature control in their main page , you can change the outside temperature and have either a heater or air con going and how it affects the range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models
fun to play with.

Air cons effect range of ice cars too, the smaller the vehicle the worse it seams.

But you wont buy an EV, will you? Zealots never do.

there there weeken it will be ok.....
140000 zealots bought ev's last month.

out of 4 million cars last month. Your point? Particularly since none of them are YOUR purchase.

Ohh that’s 3.5% of all cars for the year
No I haven’t. How about something else besides I don’t own one, it’s boring.
If u haven’t noticed this tread is about the electric vehical I want to get.

You might as well start a thread on the Ferrari I want because I wont get that either.

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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Fanally a electric car in Aus i could use Reply #29 - May 1^st, 2018 at 6:46pm Well please do. I wish u well.
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