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Reply #540 - May 1st, 2018 at 2:58pm
 
Says the guy believing an obviously lying charlatan.

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Reply #541 - May 1st, 2018 at 3:00pm
 
Tell me, Booby, what were Arctic temperatures recovering from?

The Arctic was just coming out of winter!

Obviously, Dubyne lied to his dupes when he said the Arctic hadn’t warmed in the winter.

You agree or do you have an alternative explanation?

I pointed out some other lies and errors by Dubyne.
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Reply #542 - May 1st, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Looks like the Arctic is about to heat up again:

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It’s been consistently, abnormally, warm in the Arctic for about as long as any of us can remember. But during recent years, the changes — caused by a massive and ongoing accumulation of heat-trapping gasses in the Earth’s atmosphere — appear to be speeding up. . . .

This week, two major warm air invasions — one issuing from Siberia and another rising up through the Fram Strait and extending north of Greenland are expected to bring locally 10-20 C above normal temperatures and accelerate early season sea ice melt in an already reeling Arctic.



Greenland had an odd little bump of melting on the south east coast before the usual start of the melt season.

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Consistent Warmth, Record Low Sea Ice

The farthest north region of our world has just come out of a winter during which sea ice extents consistently entered never before seen daily low ranges. With the advent of spring, sea ice measures have rebounded somewhat from winter record lows. However, according to Japan’s Polar Research Division, we are presently experiencing the second lowest daily sea ice extents since consistent measurements began.


The sea ice extent is lower than the unusually low 2012 extent and the extent in Jan–Feb was the lowest seen:
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/Environment/Arctic-sea-ice-e...

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Major Spring Warm Air Invasion

Today, a wedge of above-freezing air is invading the Laptev Sea north of Central Siberia. Strong southerly winds issuing from Central Asia are running north into the Arctic Ocean. They bring with them 10 to 20 C above average temperatures for this time of year — which is enough to push readings as high as 35 degrees F (2 C) over what during the 20th Century would have been a solid fringe of the polar ice cap.

Over the next 24 hours, this leading edge of warm air will spiral on toward the East Siberian Sea — bringing above freezing temperatures and liquid precipitation with it.


https://robertscribbler.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/arctic-maximum-temperatures....
Image source: Climate Reanalyser

Wow! I was thinking that next NH winter would see more of this hot air entering the Arctic, didn’t think it would happen in spring!

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But the main warming event for the Arctic this week will occur in the region of the Fram Strait east of Greenland. A strong low pressure system near Iceland is expected to drive wave after wave of much warmer than normal air north into the Arctic. This warm air thrust will bring with it temperatures in some places that exceed 20 C above average. Overall, Arctic Ocean basin temperatures are expected to average more than 2.3 C warmer than normal for the entire first week of May. Such high temperature departures are particularly notable for this time of year — as Arctic thermal variance tends to moderate during spring and summer.

The system will push above freezing temperatures deep into the Arctic — generating a repeat of the strange flip-flop that has become so common recently where temperatures near the North Pole are much warmer than readings further south. Warmer than freezing temperatures will also over-ride coastal portions of northeastern Greenland in yet another odd aspect of the event.

Warm storm effects including gale force winds and waves of 8-12 feet will provide added effect to above freezing temperatures in impacting the sea ice throughout the Fram Strait and northeast Greenland region.


https://robertscribbler.com/2018/04/30/major-arctic-warming-event-predicted-over...


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Reply #543 - May 1st, 2018 at 3:09pm
 
Damn word limit!

If we are to get a bigger than normal Arctic spring sea ice melt and even a bigger than normal Greenland ice sheet melt and some ice at the Atlantic edge of the icesheet broken up by waves—what are the implications?

Sea level rise—a tiny nudge at least.

Gulf Stream—AMOC will that be slowed further?

Other? Like ancient disease microbes thawing out and carried out the Arctic by currents, tides, on icebergs or blown out the Arctic circle?
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Reply #544 - May 1st, 2018 at 3:48pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:03pm:
The farthest north region of our world has just come out of a winter during which sea ice extents consistently entered never before seen daily low ranges.



Even those mentioned in the Royal Society's minutes from 1817?

Even though it is higher that 2016?
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Reply #545 - May 1st, 2018 at 3:49pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:09pm:
Damn word limit!

If we are to get a bigger than normal Arctic spring sea ice melt and even a bigger than normal Greenland ice sheet melt and some ice at the Atlantic edge of the icesheet broken up by waves—what are the implications?

Sea level rise—a tiny nudge at least.

Gulf Stream—AMOC will that be slowed further?

Other? Like ancient disease microbes thawing out and carried out the Arctic by currents, tides, on icebergs or blown out the Arctic circle?


And IF we don't? oh well try again next year. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

BTW - The 2012 readings you were caterwauling about were near the median in 2012. Wink
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Reply #546 - May 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm
 
Care to venture an opinion on a bigger than normal spring melt, Lees?

One I forgot—a warmer Arctic means extreme weather in the upper US states.
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Reply #547 - May 1st, 2018 at 4:14pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Care to venture an opinion on a bigger than normal spring melt, Lees?

One I forgot—a warmer Arctic means extreme weather in the upper US states.


care to define "normal" spring melt?
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Reply #548 - May 1st, 2018 at 4:16pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:58pm:
Care to venture an opinion on a bigger than normal spring melt, Lees?

One I forgot—a warmer Arctic means extreme weather in the upper US states.


care to define "normal" spring melt?

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Doesn't seem like anything ABNORMAL there. Wink
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Reply #549 - May 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm
 
Just the lowest on record.

Can you venture an opinion, now I know AGW scares you shitless, but treat it as a hypothetical.

More melt from Greenland so. . .?

. . .sea level rise gets a nudge up. Anything else?
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Reply #550 - May 1st, 2018 at 5:00pm
 
Anybody game to step up and say what a big early spring melt might bring?

An end to the ice age nonsense? That would be nice.

Big flood on the US east coast? Very vulnerable with sea level rise and a slight sinking of parts of the coast.

Anything?

Booby, care to comment?
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Reply #551 - May 1st, 2018 at 5:11pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm:
Just the lowest on record.



Which particular organisation are you using for this bumpf?

NSIDC shows 2016 was lower than 2018 for April 29 the latest date they have.

lee wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 1:01pm:
So 2016 ice extent 13.213m sq km; 2018 sea ice extent 13.378m sq km.


Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 4:18pm:
Can you venture an opinion, now I know AGW scares you shitless, but treat it as a hypothetical.

More melt from Greenland so. . .?

. . .sea level rise gets a nudge up. Anything else?


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Reply #552 - May 1st, 2018 at 5:13pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 5:00pm:
Anybody game to step up and say what a big early spring melt might bring?

An end to the ice age nonsense? That would be nice.

Big flood on the US east coast? Very vulnerable with sea level rise and a slight sinking of parts of the coast.

Anything?

Booby, care to comment?



Even RCP 8.5 can't give you that. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #553 - May 1st, 2018 at 5:26pm
 
Booby?
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Reply #554 - May 1st, 2018 at 5:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 5:26pm:
Booby?



Monk,

When are you going to stop living with your Mummy and come out of the closet?  Roll Eyes
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