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Reply #255 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 7:56pm
 
Greenland melt has started, slowly:

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Only on the east coast so far.
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Reply #256 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 8:04pm
 
Arctic sea ice 1953—:

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Mean sea ice anomalies, 1953-2012: Sea ice extent departures from monthly means for the Northern Hemisphere. For January 1953 through December 1979, data have been obtained from the UK Hadley Centre and are based on operational ice charts and other sources. For January 1979 through December 2012, data are derived from passive microwave (SMMR / SSM/I). Image by Walt Meier and Julienne Stroeve, National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder.


From: http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html

So, Booby, an ice age with no ice or disappearing ice? No doubts, Dubyne has that strong a hold over you?

Hmmmm, and 1976 wasn’t that big a peak either.
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Reply #257 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 8:21pm
 
Booby acts like he is the Pope and ArchBishop of Canterbury rolled into one, thinks he can question or judge me according to a collection of fairy tiles called the bible.

Did not like being told to piss off   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Besides which Booby is in big trouble theologically, adoring a false god in Dubyne. At least insist on a golden calf, Boobhead!
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Reply #258 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 8:04pm:
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Mean sea ice anomalies, 1953-2012: Sea ice extent departures from monthly means for the Northern Hemisphere. For January 1953 through December 1979, data have been obtained from the UK Hadley Centre and are based on operational ice charts and other sources. For January 1979 through December 2012, data are derived from passive microwave (SMMR / SSM/I). Image by Walt Meier and Julienne Stroeve, National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder.


Isn't it marvellous what a reanalysis of data does? Grin Grin Grin Grin
lee wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 4:54pm:
original source -https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_full_report.pdf

page 217 of 414  Figure 7.20a only shown.

Note the anomalous high in 1979.


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And multiple proxies spliced. Different methodology, different uncertainties.
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Reply #259 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:18pm
 
From the link in my previous post:
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In recent years, satellite data have indicated an even more dramatic reduction in regional ice cover.


It gives a table I am not going to try to reproduce here!

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September Average Extents, 2002-2017: Calculated by Walt Meier and Julienne Stroeve, National Snow and Ice Data Center. All values in table estimated based on the NSIDC Sea Ice Index. Note that these figures show September average extents rather than minimum extents.


Definite big drop in sea ice:
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The Arctic sea ice September minimum extent reached a new record low in 2012 of 3.41 million square kilometers, 44 percent below the 1981-2010 average, and 16 percent below the previous record in 2007. Over the last 13 years, a new record was set four times (2002, 2005, 2007, and 2012) and several other years saw near-record lows, particularly 2008 and 2011. On September 10, 2016, Arctic sea ice extent dipped to 4.14 million square kilometers, reaching a statistical tie with the 2007 minimum for second-lowest in the satellite record. In 2017, extents were higher but still below the 1981-2010 average. The 10 lowest September ice extents over the satellite record have all occurred since 2007.

The spring and summer weather conditions play an important role in the minimum extent and the spatial distribution of ice at the end of summer, and help determine if a particular year will be a record low. For example, in 2007, persistent winds through the summer helped to contract the ice to a new minimum record. In 2012, conditions were less favorable to ice retreat through the summer, although a strong cyclone in early August helped break up the ice and enhance melt. Regardless of weather patterns, the Arctic September ice extent shows a consistent downward trend in extent and thickness over the satellite record.


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Arctic and Antarctic extents, 1979-2017: In early 2017, the Arctic sea ice maximum extent was the lowest on record. At the same time, the Antarctic minimum extent was the lowest on record, though the Antarctic had not shown a clear declining trend over time. Image adapted by Climate.gov from NSIDC's Charctic.
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Reply #260 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:29pm
 
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Reply #261 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm
 
Arctic ice has also decreased in thickness (same reference as my last 2 posts;)

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Arctic Sea Ice Thickness Comparisons: These graphs from Kwok and Rothrock 2009 compare sea ice thickness observations from submarine records and ICESat observations over time. The bar chart (left) compares sea ice thickness for six Arctic regions. The time series (right) shows submarine sonar measurements compiled in studies published 2008 and 2009 (designated as RA), and ICESat observations. Error bars on the February-March measurements appear as vertical blue bars.
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Reply #262 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:44pm
 
So Arctic ice is definitely is in retreat, both in extent and in thickness.

There is a positive feedback operating: as ice retreats sunlight hits dark ocean and is absorbed, warming the ocean which can then melt more ice. Because of this the Arctic is warming at least twice as fast as other parts of the globe. This has drastic consequences for world weather.
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Reply #263 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:50pm
 
Truth in advertising?
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Reply #264 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:54pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
as ice retreats sunlight hits dark ocean and is absorbed, warming the ocean which can then melt more ice.



This then enables the warmer water to lose heat to the atmosphere; as there is no ice blanket preventing that heat loss.

So causing a cooling of the ocean. A negative feedback.
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Reply #265 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:46am
 
The Arctic warming faster than any other part of the globe is called Arctic Amplification:

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Reply #266 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 11:56am
 
Slightly weird YouTube but may help some—and it is short  Smiley

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Reply #267 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:03pm
 
So, Arctic Amplification or the much more rapid warming of the Arctic compared to lower latitudes affects the Jet Stream. Here is a YouTube by Dr Jennifer Francis on how the Jet Stream is affected and how that affects weather in middle latitudes:

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Reply #268 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
Actual temperature increase in the Arctic:

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This image shows trends in mean surface air temperature over the period 1960 to 2011. Notice that the Arctic is red, indicating that the trend over this 50 year period is for an increase in air temperature of more that 2° C (3.6° F) across much of the Arctic, which is larger than for other parts of the globe. The inset shows linear trends over the period by latitude.

—Credit: NASA GISS


https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/arctic-meteorology/climate_change.html

We see the Antarctic has also warmed significantly but since it is a continent not an ocean it has not warmed as much as the Arctic. As it continues warming there will be major effects on SH weather.

Maybe Booby can explain why we are in an ice age when the poles are relatively warm and losing ice? Booby. . .?
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Reply #269 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Actual temperature increase in the Arctic:



So what are the temperatures. NOT the anomalies.
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