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Reply #225 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Not only is the ice melting, Booby, the permafrost is thawing out.



Do you think that happened in the Holocene Optimum when it was warmer? Wink
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Reply #226 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 7:13pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 7:06pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
Not only is the ice melting, Booby, the permafrost is thawing out.



Do you think that happened in the Holocene Optimum when it was warmer? Wink


Lee, did you vote in the Poll?  If so....what was your vote?
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Reply #227 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
Sensible post addressed to Bobby:

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Here is the flaws with your graph. You cannot simply just search up and utilise one graph from one university. The data needs to be examined in conjunction with others. When you ask for someones opinion you don't just ask one person, without the expectation of bias. Simply the data shows over a year the ice has increased but the trend line over a longer period of time disproves what could be denoted as an outlier.
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Reply #228 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:25pm
 
2016 was a major El Nino, 2017 was ENSO neutral but did not suffer a huge drop in temperatures when the El Nino ended.

2018 was initially a weak La Nina but back to neutral now.

But the 2017/2018 Arctic winter was so warm there was a lot of icemelt. The Arctic air got pushed out by warm air and we got the Beast from the East.
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Reply #229 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:29pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
2016 was a major El Nino, 2017 was ENSO neutral but did not suffer a huge drop in temperatures when the El Nino ended.

The 2016 El Nino did not magically stop 31 December 2016.Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
But the 2017/2018 Arctic winter was so warm there was a lot of icemelt.



You have heard of the AMOC overturning?

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Reply #230 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:09am
 
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Findlay believes that it will be farmers who end up absorbing the extra costs, rather than consumers. But this puts them at the mercy of the markets, and poor prices for their lambs later in the year could see some producers call it a day. “It’s been the worst and most challenging time that I can remember,” Findlay said. “It really started last summer, which was very wet and quite cool, and the autumn and winter have generally been very wet. Sheep can stand cold weather and they can stand wet weather but when there is a prolonged period of both, it really pulls them down. We would normally expect to lose 1% of the ewe flock in this winter period and we’ve probably lost 3% to 4%, despite our best efforts.”

What the farmers are experiencing first-hand accords with what scientists are finding. Ed Hawkins, professor of climate science at NCAS-Climate, University of Reading, who helps run http://www.WeatherRescue.org (https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/edh/weather-rescue/ risen by around 1.5 degrees in the last 150 years.

“It’s basic physics: warmer air can hold more moisture so, as the atmosphere warms, it means, when it does rain heavily, we get more rain than we would otherwise have done from the same storm 100 years ago.”

In the short term, farmers like Smith hope that the coming week’s warmer, drier conditions are going to stretch through April. In the longer term, he believes that the first three months of 2018 should sound alarm bells.

“We need to remember that it’s reckless to take food production for granted,” he said.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/14/farmers-crops-livestock-turm...

So the Beast from the East delayed the start of the sowing season (and asparagus harvesting season) but British farmers get more rain in shorter periods and then have longer drier periods—longer term problems.)

Beast from the East was Arctic air pushed out of the Arctic by warm air pushing in—a trend that seems to be developing in Arctic winters. It may not happen next year although the trend got a boost this last NH winter. Odd that more ice melts in Arctic winters than in summers yet that is what appears to be happening.
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Reply #231 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:59am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:09am:
Beast from the East was Arctic air pushed out of the Arctic by warm air pushing in—a trend that seems to be developing in Arctic winters. It may not happen next year although the trend got a boost this last NH winter.



Ooh; a recessive trend. Wink
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Reply #232 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
A trend that seems to be establishing this century.

There were some years it happened but years in between it did not. 2016/7 and 2017/8 are winters where it did happen back to back. The engine driving it, AGW, is still powering along so the trend to warm arctic winters/cold winters in the lands around the Arctic will likely be established before very long.
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Reply #233 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 2:19pm
 
I am getting dudded out of this mini ice age.  Schitts me.

Sunshine Coast Daily:

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Think it's been a hot April? You're absolutely right
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by Francesca Mcmackin
16th Apr 2018 10:00 AM

IT MAY be mid-April but it will feel more like mid-summer on the Sunshine Coast today and tomorrow, as temperatures approach historic records.

Bureau of Meteorology forecaster David Crock said the Sunshine Coast Airport reached 31.4C yesterday, just 2.1C from breaking recent April weather records for the data-gathering site, which was set on April 4, 2006 at 33.5C.

The historic April maximum temperature record for the area is 34.4C, recorded in 1938.

Yesterday's temperature even beat February's hottest day at the site of 31.5C.

After Sunday, Saturday's maximum of 29.3C and Friday's 28.8C rounded out the top three hottest days of April so far this year.

Mr Crock said a westerly air stream and high humidity had been driving temperatures up, and the hotter-than-usual weather would continue through Tuesday.

"Today and tomorrow it will be 4-5C above average, particularly inland away from the sea breezes,” he said.

Mr Crock described April as a "cut-off month” when the summer warmth would usually give way to the first cool changes or cold snaps of the year, but said there was no sign of dramatic changes in temperature for at least the next 10 days.

Tuesday is forecast to reach 30C in Maroochydore, while minimum temperatures for the coming days will remain between 19-21C.

This morning's early fog gave way to sunny skies that will likely continue until Wednesday, when forecasters have predicted a 60 per cent chance of showers.


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You better DuByne know Bobby.  He can put it in his next You Tube masterpiece.
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Reply #234 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:01pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 2:19pm:
I am getting dudded out of this mini ice age.  Schitts me.



Yet another who confuses weather with climate.
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Reply #235 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:02pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:24pm:
A trend that seems to be establishing this century.



Oh this century ? 18 years? Weather. Wink

So what is the trend from 1997 when NOAA reported it was 62.45ºF? Wink

Still only weather of course.
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Reply #236 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:05pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 2:19pm:
I am getting dudded out of this mini ice age.  Schitts me.



Yet another who confuses weather with climate.


Is one of the 'others' you refer to David Debyne?
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Reply #237 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:15pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
Is one of the 'others' you refer to David Debyne?



See above. Wink
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Reply #238 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:18pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
Is one of the 'others' you refer to David Debyne?



See above. Wink


I did, and found no answer to my question.

Is one of the 'others' you refer to David Debyne?

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Reply #239 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:50pm
 
Antarctic ice loss five times faster than thought:

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Grounding lines are a key indicator of ice-sheet instability, because changes in their position reflect imbalance with the surrounding ocean and affect the flow of inland ice. Although the grounding lines of several Antarctic glaciers have retreated rapidly due to ocean-driven melting, records are too scarce to assess the scale of the imbalance. Here, we combine satellite altimeter observations of ice-elevation change and measurements of ice geometry to track grounding-line movement around the entire continent, tripling the coverage of previous surveys. Between 2010 and 2016, 22%, 3% and 10% of surveyed grounding lines in West Antarctica, East Antarctica and at the Antarctic Peninsula retreated at rates faster than 25 m yr−1 (the typical pace since the Last Glacial Maximum) and the continent has lost 1,463 km2 ± 791 km2 of grounded-ice area. Although by far the fastest rates of retreat occurred in the Amundsen Sea sector, we show that the Pine Island Glacier grounding line has stabilized, probably as a consequence of abated ocean forcing. On average, Antarctica’s fast-flowing ice streams retreat by 110 metres per metre of ice thinning.

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