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Reply #195 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 12:01pm
 
"Wild weather: Record cold, snow for central, eastern U.S.; Pineapple Express to soak West"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/wild-weather-record-cold-snow-for-central-easter...

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Reply #196 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:11pm
 
Man’s burning of fossil fuels has seen the CO2 content of the atmosphere increase from 280ppm in 1850 to 410ppm now, nearly a 50% increase.

That is causing all sorts of problems now, warming by 1.2°C, faster warming in the Arctic causing severe weather, sea level rise from melting ice sheets and glaciers and thermal expansion, increase in very high precipitation in some areas, drought in others like the southern half of Australia.

Scientists have theorised about the greenhouse effect since 1820. Observations now show H2O, CO2, CH4, N2O, O3 etc do prevent some thermal IR from escaping the planet, causing warming at the surface and lower atmosphere.
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Reply #197 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:25pm
 
[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1522361272/196#196 date=1523596293]Man’s burning of fossil fuels has seen the CO2 content of the atmosphere increase from 280ppm in 1850 to 410ppm now, nearly a 50% increase.
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Closer to 40%. If the old figures can be justified. And that is ice core figures. Very problematic.

[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1522361272/196#196 date=1523596293]faster warming in the Arctic causing severe weather,[/quote]


Which of course has NEVER happened before? ;)

[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1522361272/196#196 date=1523596293]sea level rise from melting ice sheets and glaciers and thermal expansion[/quote]


Since the LIA? Who knew?

[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1522361272/196#196 date=1523596293] increase in very high precipitation in some areas, drought in others like the southern half of Australia. [/quote]


Climate didn't change before CO2 rise?

[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1522361272/196#196 date=1523596293]warming by 1.2°C[/quote]

Reference?

NASA says 0.9C above 1880. That would mean from 1850 - 1880 he earth warmed  by 0.3°C in only 30 years.
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Reply #198 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 4:50pm
 
Booby says he isn’t biased!


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Reply #199 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 5:15pm
 
JM says he only proclaims the truth.

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Reply #200 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
It runs North–South along the 100th meridian:

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John Wesley Powell, in the nineteenth century, introduced the notion that the 100th meridian divides the North American continent into arid western regions and humid eastern regions. This concept remains firmly fixed in the national imagination. It is reexamined in terms of climate, hydrology, vegetation, land use, settlement, and the agricultural economy. It is shown there is a stark east–west gradient in aridity roughly at the 100th meridian that is well expressed in hydroclimate, soil moisture, and “potential vegetation.” The gradient arises from atmospheric circulations and moisture transports. In winter, the arid regions west of the 100th meridian are shielded from Pacific storm-related precipitation and are too far west to benefit from Atlantic storms. In summer, the southerly flow on the western flank of the North Atlantic subtropical high has a westerly component over the western plains, bringing air from the interior southwest, but it also brings air from the Gulf of Mexico over the eastern plains, generating a west–east moisture transport and precipitation gradient. The aridity gradient is realized in soil moisture and a west-to-east transition from shortgrass to tallgrass prairie. The gradient is sharp in terms of greater fractional coverage of developed land east of the 100th meridian than to the west. Farms are fewer but larger west of the meridian, reflective of lower land productivity. Wheat and corn cultivation preferentially occur west and east of the 100th meridian, respectively. The 100th meridian is a very real arid–humid divide in the physical climate and landscape, and this has exerted a powerful influence on human settlement and agricultural development.


And it is moving east, just like Goyder’s line is moving south:
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The 100th meridian bisects the Great Plains of the United States and effectively divides the continent into more arid western and less arid eastern halves and is well expressed in terms of vegetation, land hydrology, crops, and the farm economy. Here, it is considered how this arid–humid divide will change in intensity and location during the current century under rising greenhouse gases. It is first shown that state-of-the-art climate models from phase 5 of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project generally underestimate the degree of aridity of the United States and simulate an arid–humid divide that is too diffuse. These biases are traced to excessive precipitation and evapotranspiration and inadequate blocking of eastward moisture flux by the Pacific coastal ranges and Rockies. Bias-corrected future projections are developed that modify observationally based measures of aridity by the model-projected fractional changes in aridity. Aridity increases across the United States, and the aridity gradient weakens. The main contributor to the changes is rising potential evapotranspiration, while changes in precipitation working alone increase aridity across the southern and decrease across the northern United States. The “effective 100th meridian” moves to the east as the century progresses. In the current farm economy, farm size and percent of county under rangelands increase and percent of cropland under corn decreases as aridity increases. Statistical relations between these quantities and the bias-corrected aridity projections suggest that, all else being equal (which it will not be), adjustment to changing environmental conditions would cause farm size and rangeland area to increase across the plains and percent of cropland under corn to decrease in the northern plains as the century advances.


An article in a Yale bulletin summarises the two studies:
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Studying rainfall and temperature data since 1980, Seager and his colleagues found this climatic boundary has already shifted east about 140 miles so that it now sits closer to the 98th meridian. And it will continue to move east as warming global temperatures increase evaporation from the soil and change precipitation patterns, they concluded.

According to a press release by Columbia University’s Earth Institute, “Seager predicts that as drying progresses, farms further and further east will have to consolidate and become larger in order to remain viable. Unless farmers turn to irrigation or otherwise adapt, they will have to turn from corn to wheat or some other more suitable crop. Large expanses of cropland may fail altogether, and have to be converted to western-style grazing range. Water supplies could become a problem for urban areas.”


https://e360.yale.edu/digest/a-north-american-climate-boundary-has-shifted-140-m...
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Reply #201 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:19pm
 
Climate changes? Roll Eyes
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Reply #202 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 2:14pm
 
[quote author=leeforward link=1522361272/197#197 date=1523597134]
Very problematic.

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It always makes me laugh when lee says that.
What it means is that lee doesn't have an argument against it so he just says it's "problematic" to try and add some confusion and ambiguity
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Reply #203 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 2:22pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 2:14pm:
It always makes me laugh when lee says that.
What it means is that lee doesn't have an argument against it so he just says it's "problematic" to try and add some confusion and ambiguity
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"I used to read peer reviewed papers on the use of ice cores to determine past CO2 concentrations.  One thing that I noticed was that from the beginning the scientists involved mentioned difficulties and uncertainties with the process and sought ways to reduce the uncertainties.  For example, for a number of reasons the ages of the trapped bubbles and the ages of the ice where the bubbles are trapped are not identical.  Ways to adjust for the differences were developed.

As the process matured, errors were found and corrected and uncertainties were reduced.  It's an ongoing process."

https://www.quora.com/I-can-think-of-3-serious-problems-with-ice-cores-being-use...

So you can tell us about how certain they are, as opposed to uncertainties?
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Reply #204 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:26pm
 
It seems the Gulf Stream is weakening:

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The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC)—a system of ocean currents in the North Atlantic—has a major impact on climate, yet its evolution during the industrial era is poorly known owing to a lack of direct current measurements. Here we provide evidence for a weakening of the AMOC by about 3 ± 1 sverdrups (around 15 per cent) since the mid-twentieth century. This weakening is revealed by a characteristic spatial and seasonal sea-surface temperature ‘fingerprint’—consisting of a pattern of cooling in the subpolar Atlantic Ocean and warming in the Gulf Stream region—and is calibrated through an ensemble of model simulations from the CMIP5 project. We find this fingerprint both in a high-resolution climate model in response to increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations, and in the temperature trends observed since the late nineteenth century. The pattern can be explained by a slowdown in the AMOC and reduced northward heat transport, as well as an associated northward shift of the Gulf Stream. Comparisons with recent direct measurements from the RAPID project and several other studies provide a consistent depiction of record-low AMOC values in recent years.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0006-5

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Reply #205 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:26pm:
We find this fingerprint both in a high-resolution climate model



Oh a model?

"Until recently, the only direct measurements of the circulation’s strength have been from ship-based surveys and a set of moorings anchored to the ocean floor in the mid-latitudes. Willis’ new technique is based on data from NASA satellite altimeters, which measure changes in the height of the sea surface, as well as data from Argo profiling floats. The international Argo array, supported in part by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, includes approximately 3,000 robotic floats that measure temperature, salinity and velocity across the world’s ocean.

With this new technique, Willis was able to calculate changes in the northward-flowing part of the circulation at about 41 degrees latitude, roughly between New York and northern Portugal. Combining satellite and float measurements, he found no change in the strength of the circulation overturning from 2002 to 2009. Looking further back with satellite altimeter data alone before the float data were available, [Josh] Willis found evidence that the circulation had sped up about 20 percent from 1993 to 2009. This is the longest direct record of variability in the Atlantic overturning to date and the only one at high latitudes. "

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/atlantic20100325.html

What to believe the model or the observations? Wink
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Reply #206 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:10pm
 
A HUGE development—wind turbine blades longer than football fields (gridiron footy fields I assume:)

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These huge new wind turbines are a marvel. They’re also the future.
The latest model has blades longer than football fields. . . .

But especially in Europe, wind power is increasingly moving out to sea. And out in the ocean, with land barely in sight, the only limitation on size is engineering. Consequently, offshore turbines today are vaulting up even faster than onshore turbines have over the past decade.

A vivid example of this trend popped up in early March, when GE Renewable Energy announced that it will be investing $400 million to develop a new monster turbine: the Haliade-X, which will be (at least until the next big announcement) the biggest, tallest, and most powerful in the world. The first units are expected to ship in 2021.

It will be impressive as an engineering feat, but the significance of growing turbine size goes well beyond that. Bigger turbines harvest more energy, more steadily; the bigger they get, the less variable and more reliable they get, and the easier they are to integrate into the grid. Wind is already outcompeting other sources on wholesale energy markets. After a few more generations of growth, it won’t even be a contest anymore.



https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/3/8/17084158/wind-turbine-power-...

Wind turbines in the open sea are the way to go: the wind is stronger and more constant than over land and as we see in the article bigger blades can be used: ships can carry items too long for road transport.
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Reply #207 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:19pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:10pm:
A HUGE development—wind turbine blades longer than football fields (gridiron footy fields I assume:)



Yes. And of course the salty environment does wonders for the turbines and the support structures.

And then of course the old ones are estimated to cost between $2 - 4 m in site cleanup costs.
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Reply #208 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:31am
 
In the comments to the snake oil seller’s silly videos a thread runs through them about “Nibiru” a planet hurtling towards Earth that all the worlds astronomers are conspiring to keep secret:

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Meanwhile, the existence of Planet X, sometimes known as Nibiru, has been repeatedly debunked. Astronomers are searching for a possible Earth-size world in the outer solar system that they sometimes call "Planet X" or "Planet Nine," but this is not the same Planet X described by conspiracy theorists. In the conspiracy view, NASA is hiding the existence of a rogue planet that is hurtling toward Earth, ready to spark all manner of tsunamis and earthquakes as it zings by.

Nibiru originated from doomsday theorist Nancy Lieder. On her website, Lieder channels aliens called Zetas and peddles a complex web of interrelated conspiracy theories. Lieder first floated the idea of Nibiru in the 1990s and predicted its passage by Earth in 2003. Since then, the rogue planet has become the bogeyman of multiple doomsday predictions, including the 2012 Maya apocalypse, which was based on the supposed end of the ancient Maya calendar.    


https://www.livescience.com/62293-bogus-doomsday-april-23.html

As sensible a belief as thinking we are heading to an ice age despite ice at both poles disappearing  Grin
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Reply #209 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 12:01pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:31am:
As sensible a belief as thinking we are heading to an ice age despite ice at both poles disappearing



Antarctic

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Doesn't look like it.
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