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Reply #15 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:21am
 
juliar wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:17am:
Paw freediver has dived in and hit his head on a snag!!!


He has a weird attitude for some one self proclaiming political credentials very preachy and consistently inaccurate ..... he should just join the greens, they are the experts at that style.
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Reply #16 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 2:18pm
 
What 'myths' am I perpetuating Fred?
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Reply #17 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 10:26am
 
Don't you want to talk about it any more Fred?
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Reply #18 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 10:40am
 
Squeezing more people into the cities will not work. It causes problems with congestion as more people squeeze into the infrastructure than its design capacity. It's not just roads becoming congested. Public transport becomes overcrowded, water supply may not have enough water pressure, the sewers may not have enough capacity. Fixing the infrastructure will be extremely expensive.
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Reply #19 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 11:22am
 
The policy says nothing at all about more or less people in the cities. Though more is pretty much inevitable.

If more people live within walking distance of the office, obviously you will have less congestion than if they have to commute 20km.
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Reply #20 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 11:22am:
The policy says nothing at all about more or less people in the cities. Though more is pretty much inevitable.

If more people live within walking distance of the office, obviously you will have less congestion than if they have to commute 20km.

I think it's worthwhile to explore alternatives.

Australia is the sixth-largest country in the world. The population density is three people per square kilometre, or about 12 people per square kilometre if we ignore the desert areas. Yet we're trying to squeeze half the population into less than half of one percent of the landmass.

Some of these areas are not well designed for high-density development. You only have to go into any area where large numbers of houses on quarter-acre blocks have been demolished and replaced with units or blocks of flats. Local streets all over the country are groaning under the weight of traffic that they were not designed to handle.

Instead of imposing high-density urbanisation onto suburban areas that were not designed for high-density living, we need to look at alternatives. Regional areas should be considered. Develop regional areas and connect them to the cities with reliable high-speed rail. Encourage businesses to relocate to regional areas with relocation subsidies. That will take the pressure off housing prices in a way that high-density development cannot.

There's no reason why we can't pursue both approaches.
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Reply #21 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:17pm
 
No-one is forcing these people to live in cities. They choose to. And they could do it a lot easier if the government stopped interfering with their choices. I am not proposing the government go from banning high rises 5km from the CBD to forcing developers to only build high rises. They should be able to build whatever they think people want to live in.
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Reply #22 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 10:15am:
Designated park areas are to be assigned where residents or council may plant food trees. These differ from conventional 'community gardens' in that they are intended to be for trees rather than intensively managed vegetable patches, are intended to be close to people's houses so that they do not have to drive to them, and are intended to be mixed use open space, not fenced off. Council may limit the number of each species of tree, may limit the permitted species to short ones, or may trim the trees to limit height and size (to make fruit such as mangoes easier and safer to access, and to prevent dominance of one tree over a large area). The trees are to remain communal property and no limitations are to apply as to who may pick the fruit, though guidelines may be applied to the quantity taken, and the fruit may not be sold or passed on to a different household. Any expectation of personal ownership or reward for effort is to be discouraged. Use of some fruit may be restricted to immediate, onsite consumption in order to promote sharing or more popular food. However, this is not intended to prevent the picking of unripe fruit such as mangoes - this is in fact encouraged to prevent waste and pest incursions. The parks are to provide a space for the dumping of green waste to be used as mulch.

Councils are encouraged to use the parks as an opportunity to inform the public of the range of food trees that can be grown in the area and to supply seeds for planting at home (eg, with clear labeling of trees). The inclusion of species that are not well known locally or unpopular commercially due to transport and handling difficulties is particularly encouraged. A 'use it or lose it' policy may be applied, whereby trees are removed if the food is left to rot. The food parks are intended to provide an opportunity for social interaction as well as food. Authority and management responsibility may be handed over to local clubs, provided that these basic guidelines are complied with.

This is an interesting idea, but it may be infeasible in many urban areas due to contamination of the soil. Lead is a particular problem. The past use of leaded petrol has spread lead contamination all around our urban areas and this has contaminated the soil. Food grown in urban areas may have lead levels that are too high for safe consumption. Other contaminants may also be present.

Any urban area that is to be used for food production must have the soil tested for the presence of these kinds of contaminants.
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Reply #23 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:19pm
 
I think lead only contaminates food via dust getting onto fruit. It does not get soaked up by the plant internally.
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Reply #24 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:21pm
 
Is FD running , what's your IR policy ?
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Reply #25 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:24pm
 
We are still a long way from running a candidate. No IR policy at the moment.
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Reply #26 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:34pm
 
Embrace the poor man's libtard , be the poor man's libtard , those crustaceans are lucky to have a job , trickle down for life
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Reply #27 - Mar 23rd, 2018 at 5:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:19pm:
I think lead only contaminates food via dust getting onto fruit. It does not get soaked up by the plant internally.

It depends on the compound. Most lead (II) salts are insoluble in water but lead (II) nitrate is an important exception.
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Reply #28 - Mar 23rd, 2018 at 11:10pm
 
I've had a look around and lead in suburban food does not appear to be a significant problem.
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Reply #29 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 9:17am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 23rd, 2018 at 11:10pm:
I've had a look around and lead in suburban food does not appear to be a significant problem.

It's significant enough that soil testing should be considered. Most urban areas do not have unsafe levels of lead and other heavy metals in the soil, but a few do. Areas most likely to be problematic are those near major roads, where lead paint has been used or that have been previously zoned as industrial.

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