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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #15 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 8:24pm

crocodile wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 8:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:51pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:46pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:43pm:

A good start would be lower the company tax rate to align with competing countries, making HD parts should be a boutique industry we could do very well in but don't tell BS Shorten.

Lowering company taxes around the world is a race to the bottom.
It means workers will have to pay more taxes to keep our
system of hospitals, schools & social security.
Either that or we'll become more of a dog eat dog society.

Trump doesn't realise the harm he'll do to other countries who'll have to follow suit.

And Keeping high company takes rates does what ?
People like you never offer a counter view just bleat rubbish.

Trump is trying to equal Chinese tax rates where they have no
health and safety and get paid a bowl of rice per day.
That's not going to work for a society like ours.

Company tax is a strangler of productivity and hence an albatross on real wages growth. You have things arse a peeky.

Just a backdoor tax on wages anyway with double the deadweight loss.

Life in America is really tough -
it's dog eat dog and it will get worse under Trump.
Is that how you want Australia to be?

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crocodile

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #16 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 9:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 8:24pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 8:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:51pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:46pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:43pm:

A good start would be lower the company tax rate to align with competing countries, making HD parts should be a boutique industry we could do very well in but don't tell BS Shorten.

Lowering company taxes around the world is a race to the bottom.
It means workers will have to pay more taxes to keep our
system of hospitals, schools & social security.
Either that or we'll become more of a dog eat dog society.

Trump doesn't realise the harm he'll do to other countries who'll have to follow suit.

And Keeping high company takes rates does what ?
People like you never offer a counter view just bleat rubbish.

Trump is trying to equal Chinese tax rates where they have no
health and safety and get paid a bowl of rice per day.
That's not going to work for a society like ours.

Company tax is a strangler of productivity and hence an albatross on real wages growth. You have things arse a peeky.

Just a backdoor tax on wages anyway with double the deadweight loss.

Life in America is really tough -
it's dog eat dog and it will get worse under Trump.
Is that how you want Australia to be?

Capital productivity has been falling like a stone for nigh on twenty years. Keep taxing it all you want. Just stop whinging when your wages go backwards.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #17 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:10pm

What will the nation do without Hardly Ablesons with near no exhaust blasting by on a Sunday morning?

If business management is so poor they can't afford to pay taxes, the owners should get better managers or just leave the business entirely. Shifting to making Harley David-Sans will only chop off their own buyer market for motor cycles 'back home' and eventually choke them in their own bullshit.

Great capital productivity..... one day only the bikie drug kings will be able to afford Harleys.... nobody else will have any income, so we'd all be better off quitting the work force and going into crime for a living.....

BOTR......

Might buy a second house in Italy - for half the year..... got a couple in mind.... 6 deg today near Venice...... brrrr.. but Spring just around the corner...

Arrivederci....

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #18 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:39pm

lee wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:44pm:

All of the productive manufacturing jobs are disappearing under the conservatives only to be replaced with unproductive coffee shop and real estate agent jobs bought and all bought and paid for by massive amounts of debt Sad

Yep jobsungroth under the libbos Sad

I guess the Kansas closure was their fault as well. Nothing to do with sales at all. Wink

no... its all the Conservatives fault LW and RW Conservatives... nothing to do with sales, the bottom line or cheaper labour overseas etc, etc, etc...

Climate Change... all the Conservatives Fault.

Inflation Conservatives fault.

Stagnant wage growth Conservatives fault...

Pregnant women Conservatives fault...

The list is practically endless. Cheesy

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #19 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:42pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:10pm:

What will the nation do without Hardly Ablesons with near no exhaust blasting by on a Sunday morning?

If business management is so poor they can't afford to pay taxes, the owners should get better managers or just leave the business entirely. Shifting to making Harley David-Sans will only chop off their own buyer market for motor cycles 'back home' and eventually choke them in their own bullshit.

Great capital productivity..... one day only the bikie drug kings will be able to afford Harleys.... nobody else will have any income, so we'd all be better off quitting the work force and going into crime for a living.....

BOTR......

Might buy a second house in Italy - for half the year..... got a couple in mind.... 6 deg today near Venice...... brrrr.. but Spring just around the corner...

Arrivederci....

It has precisely zero to do with poor management. It's really simple. Tax productivity and investment slows. Investment slows and so do acquired skills. No skills growth = no wages growth. Your ignorance regarding the effects of productivity performance is truly appalling.

Even your mates down at the ACTU have twigged and can see the link between labour and capital components to productivity and the effect on wages. For fukk sake, buy a textbook.

https://www.actu.org.au/media/1033223/actu-submission-2016-17-annual-wage-review...

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #20 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:52pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:39pm:

lee wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:44pm:

All of the productive manufacturing jobs are disappearing under the conservatives only to be replaced with unproductive coffee shop and real estate agent jobs bought and all bought and paid for by massive amounts of debt Sad

Yep jobsungroth under the libbos Sad

I guess the Kansas closure was their fault as well. Nothing to do with sales at all. Wink

no... its all the Conservatives fault LW and RW Conservatives... nothing to do with sales, the bottom line or cheaper labour overseas etc, etc, etc...

Climate Change... all the Conservatives Fault.

Inflation Conservatives fault.

Stagnant wage growth Conservatives fault...

Pregnant women Conservatives fault...

The list is practically endless. Cheesy

So what have the conservatives got to offer the battler ?

Trickle down effect ? Cheesy

LOL

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Marla Gold Member Offline I really hate you Posts: 12867 Colorado Gender:	Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go Reply #21 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 2:07am Awww, just like Trump's tax cuts have only benefited 2% of the population while major corporations continue to lay off workers.
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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #22 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 4:52am

An interesting different "politically correct" view from Boris.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2013321945622501&id=100008341441937

But any manufacturer faced with a decision to cut costs would exit SA at a fast pace mainly due to the excessively high costs and unreliable and unstable SA power supply.

And having to have a whopping great diesel in the back shed doesn't help either.

And the risk of having complex equipment damaged by the erratic unstable shoddy Secondary Power renewable rubbish SA power supply holds the exit door open too.

And being constantly harassed by hostile belligerent corrupt Commo union thugs being waved on by little squidgy Bull S. really helps to.

And Trumpy dropping company taxes thru the floor which is getting even a Chinese solar panel company moving to USA doesn't help either.

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #23 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 5:16am

The imposter SA Labor "govt" could not match Trumpy's lucrative offer that has companies all over the world clamoring to setup in the USA now after Trumpy cut company taxes.

And stodgy little Bull S. the Socialist drongo flatly refuses to cut company taxes here.

Harley-Davidson to close Adelaide plant
AAP AAP31 January 2018

Harley-Davidson to close Adelaide plant

More than 100 jobs will be lost with a decision by motorcycle manufacturer Harley-Davidson to close its New Castalloy factory in Adelaide in 2019.

South Australian Manufacturing Minister Kyam Maher said the state government was advised of the decision on Tuesday night.

He said it was no reflection on the profitability of the Adelaide operations or the quality of the work.

"This is a decision based on consumer preferences," he told reporters.

"The large-style motorcycles aren't being bought in the numbers that they have been in the past and the need for what's produced here has diminished."

New Castalloy was bought by Harley-Davidson in 2006 to secure its supply of wheels and hubs for some of its range of motorcycles.

The plant was threatened with closure in 2011 when Harley-Davidson announced plans to move its manufacturing operations to China.

But the Milwaukee-based group reversed its decision in 2013 and signed a new lease deal with the state government, which owns the site, to keep the plant open.

Since then, government support for New Castalloy has been worth about $500,000 a year.

Mr Maher said the government would offer New Castalloy workers the same level of support offered to other auto sector workers who lost their jobs in recent years, including those at Holden.

The South Australian opposition said the closure of New Castalloy was the result of the state government's high-tax, high-cost regime which was stifling business investment.

"Small businesses are really struggling and the costs of doing business in South Australia are stopping many companies from expanding and employing more people," industry spokesman Corey Wingard said.

But Mr Maher said the decision taken by Harley-Davidson in the US was totally out of the control of the SA government.

The New Castalloy plant at North Plympton had also been in the news recently as the focus of renewed investigations into the 1966 disappearance of the Beaumont children.

Police were preparing to conduct an excavation on the site amid speculation it's where the three children were buried.

https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/harley-davidson-close-adelaide-plant-051008702...

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go Reply #24 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:49am And the glerky little union puppet Bull S. has the "solution" with his technically unmanageable 50% taxpayer funded unreliable unstable renewable rubbish.
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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #25 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:59am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 8:24pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 8:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:51pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:46pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:43pm:

A good start would be lower the company tax rate to align with competing countries, making HD parts should be a boutique industry we could do very well in but don't tell BS Shorten.

Lowering company taxes around the world is a race to the bottom.
It means workers will have to pay more taxes to keep our
system of hospitals, schools & social security.
Either that or we'll become more of a dog eat dog society.

Trump doesn't realise the harm he'll do to other countries who'll have to follow suit.

And Keeping high company takes rates does what ?
People like you never offer a counter view just bleat rubbish.

Trump is trying to equal Chinese tax rates where they have no
health and safety and get paid a bowl of rice per day.
That's not going to work for a society like ours.

Company tax is a strangler of productivity and hence an albatross on real wages growth. You have things arse a peeky.

Just a backdoor tax on wages anyway with double the deadweight loss.

Life in America is really tough -
it's dog eat dog and it will get worse under Trump.
Is that how you want Australia to be?

Actually its getting better but don't let facts effect your views.

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #26 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:03am

crocodile wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 8:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:51pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:46pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:43pm:

A good start would be lower the company tax rate to align with competing countries, making HD parts should be a boutique industry we could do very well in but don't tell BS Shorten.

Lowering company taxes around the world is a race to the bottom.
It means workers will have to pay more taxes to keep our
system of hospitals, schools & social security.
Either that or we'll become more of a dog eat dog society.

Trump doesn't realise the harm he'll do to other countries who'll have to follow suit.

And Keeping high company takes rates does what ?
People like you never offer a counter view just bleat rubbish.

Trump is trying to equal Chinese tax rates where they have no
health and safety and get paid a bowl of rice per day.
That's not going to work for a society like ours.

Company tax is a strangler of productivity and hence an albatross on real wages growth. You have things arse a peeky.

Just a backdoor tax on wages anyway with double the deadweight loss.

The lack of logic is astounding, no point having a high company tax rate if business is slowing down that is diminishing returns. We need to be at least globally competitive ..... lefties seem to forget this country was built on foreign investment.

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #27 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:32am

RSF,

the malingering WELFARE dependent Lefties don't care about jobs as they have their permanent positions at CentreLink.

They have no idea how their unproductive wasteful WELFARE will be paid for and they don't care just so long as it NEVER stops.

Trump's speech to the Nation was absolutely MAGNIFICENT.

USA is advancing in leaps and bounds with jobs galore and companies moving to USA from all over the world even from China.

Of course the local Greeny drongos are horrified at the idea that Australia will follow the USA success.

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #28 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:38am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:52pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:39pm:

lee wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:56pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:44pm:

All of the productive manufacturing jobs are disappearing under the conservatives only to be replaced with unproductive coffee shop and real estate agent jobs bought and all bought and paid for by massive amounts of debt Sad

Yep jobsungroth under the libbos Sad

I guess the Kansas closure was their fault as well. Nothing to do with sales at all. Wink

no... its all the Conservatives fault LW and RW Conservatives... nothing to do with sales, the bottom line or cheaper labour overseas etc, etc, etc...

Climate Change... all the Conservatives Fault.

Inflation Conservatives fault.

Stagnant wage growth Conservatives fault...

Pregnant women Conservatives fault...

The list is practically endless. Cheesy

So what have the conservatives got to offer the battler ?

Trickle down effect ? Cheesy

LOL

LOL
You are clueless
keep pumping out the propaganda...

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Re: Harley-Davidson To Close Factory 120 Jobs To Go
Reply #29 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:39am

juliar wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:32am:

RSF,

the malingering WELFARE dependent Lefties don't care about jobs as they have their permanent positions at CentreLink.

They have no idea how their unproductive wasteful WELFARE will be paid for and they don't care just so long as it NEVER stops.

Trump's speech to the Nation was absolutely MAGNIFICENT.

USA is advancing in leaps and bounds with jobs galore and companies moving to USA from all over the world even from China.

Of course the local Greeny drongos are horrified at the idea that Australia will follow the USA success.

NO ONE IN THE RIGHT MIND WANTS TO LIVE OFF WELFARE PARTICULARLY THE PITIFUL NEWSTART THAT ALLOWS YOU TO LIVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE.
YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT?

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