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Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:47pm
 
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NOAA Report Destroys Global Warming Link To Extreme Weather

Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have demolished claims by global warming activists that global warming caused or worsened many extreme weather events last year.

According to NOAA’s new publication, Explaining Extremes of 2013 from a Climate Perspective, there is no discernible connection between global warming and 2013 extreme weather events such as the California drought, Colorado floods, the UK’s exceptionally cold spring, a South Dakota blizzard, Central Europe floods, a northwestern Europe cyclone, and exceptional snowfall in Europe’s Pyrenees Mountains.

The California drought provides a good example of global warming activists making false and irresponsible claims regarding global warming to deliberately mislead people who aren’t familiar with scientific studies and evidence. The liberal Center for American Progress and its media allies such as the Washington Post, San Jose Mercury News, Associated Press, and others have all published stories claiming global warming caused or worsened the ongoing California drought. Scientists, however, say just the opposite. “[F]or the California drought, which was investigated by three teams from the United States, human factors were found not to have influenced the lack of rainfall,” NOAA reported in an accompanying press release.

Adding additional emphasis to the NOAA publication’s findings, scientists reported in the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that natural factors such as ocean current cycles and varying wind patterns caused most of the warming along the U.S. West Coast since 1900.

The next time you hear politicians and global warming activists claim global warming is causing or worsening extreme weather events, know that the objective science shows they are telling self-serving lies.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/10/09/noaa-destroys-global-warming...
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Re: NOAA report destroys climate change idiots BS
Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm
 
Nice find Baron.
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Nice find Baron.


Have you checked with the snake oil salesman to see if this is also relevant to the alleged coming Ice Age of yours?

Come on messenger, get to it.  Message!
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:59pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Nice find Baron.


Thanks Bobby

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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:23pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Nice find Baron.


Have you checked with the famous David DuByne to see if this is also relevant to the alleged coming Ice Age of yours?

Come on messenger, get to it.  Message!



I told David DuByne.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDSmWmpE6HU

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Good video David.
Please watch this video - it explains quite a lot about feedback loops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDErDwXqhc
Some discussion is here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464603949/4230#4232
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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:23pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Nice find Baron.


Thanks Bobby

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Keep up the good work.  Smiley
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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
read the report, don't rely on this dishonest assessment of a small part of it.

You do know that these guys are funded by Exxon Mobil ?
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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:59pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Nice find Baron.


Have you checked with the famous David DuByne to see if this is also relevant to the alleged coming Ice Age of yours?

Come on messenger, get to it.  Message!



I told David DuByne.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDSmWmpE6HU

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Good video David.
Please watch this video - it explains quite a lot about feedback loops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDErDwXqhc
Some discussion is here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464603949/4230#4232


Really.....and you reckon you are Moderator material.....sneakily altering what people post....(in this case....me.)  Nah.  Not on Bobby.

No Moderator post for you!
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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:08pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
You do know that these guys are funded by Exxon Mobil ?



Is that the same Exxon-Mobil that published their research into climate change? over 50 papers.

http://cdn.exxonmobil.com/~/media/global/files/energy-and-environment/climate_pe...

Did you see the latest?

"Exxon Mobil launched a legal counterattack Monday against seven cities in California that want state courts to force the oil company to pay for infrastructure improvements to help them adapt to climate change.

The oil giant argued that it and other Texas-based energy firms have become the target of a “conspiracy” among liberal state attorneys general and other officials seeking to blame it for driving up emissions that are causing the earth’s temperature to rise.

“ExxonMobil finds itself directly in that conspiracy’s crosshairs,” the company’s attorneys explained in legal documents filed in a Texas state district court Monday night.

“Even though it has long acknowledged the risks presented by climate change, supported the Paris climate accords, and backed a revenue-neutral carbon tax, ExxonMobil has nevertheless been targeted by state and local governments for pretextual investigations and litigation intended to cleanse the public square of alternative viewpoints,” Exxon argued."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/exxon-launches-counterattack-against-californi...

This follows some of the Democrat Attorney's General starting so-called RICO investigations into Exxon-Mobil, supported by Greenpeace et al. The Attorney's Generals backtracked fast when Exxon-Mobil fought back.

Is it that same Exxon-Mobile? Perhaps you have some evidence you want to provide?
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Reply #9 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:31pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Nice find Baron.


Have you checked with the famous David DuByne to see if this is also relevant to the alleged coming Ice Age of yours?

Come on messenger, get to it.  Message!



I told David DuByne.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDSmWmpE6HU

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Sir Bobby
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Good video David.
Please watch this video - it explains quite a lot about feedback loops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDErDwXqhc
Some discussion is here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464603949/4230#4232


Really.....and you reckon you are Moderator material.....sneakily altering what people post....(in this case....me.)  Nah.  Not on Bobby.

No Moderator post for you!



OK - in future - I will just point out your disrespect for attacking David DuByne as a snake oil salesman.

Otherwise - I'll just ignore your nasty trolling posts.

Once again - Aussie attacks the man not the message.
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Reply #10 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:41pm
 
Nothing justifies you changing my posts Bobby, nothing.  I doubt you ever had the slightest chance of being made Mod of this Forum, but whatever that chance is/was, you just blew it.

Dubyne IS a snake oil salesman.  Gawd, that last video I began to watch started off with some images of a bakery somewhere in Africa, (I guess he stole them from somewhere) and went on to other totally unrelated (except by him) stuff.

Just rubbish, and you, because you are a looney fringe dweller just like Light, lap it up as Holy Writ.  Sorry, Bobby, I'm not a fool.
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Reply #11 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:46pm
 
Why do posters take the easy way out-
just put labels on someone they don't like?

Call them a snake oil salesman - don't say why -
that would be too intellectually difficult.

Think of any form of abuse -
argumentum ad hominem.


From Ozpolitics own guidelines:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem


ad hominem


"You are an idiot, therefore you are wrong."

An ad hominem (short for argumentum ad hominem) is a personal attack. It is by far the most common logical fallacy encountered in online forums. It carries the assumption that by discrediting your opponent, you are also discrediting their argument. However, this would lead to the absurd situation that an argument is correct if one person uses it, and false if another uses it. Inexperienced debaters often fall for this and feel the need to defend their reputation against a troll, otherwise it will invalidate the point they are trying to make in the eyes of others.

An ad hominem is not always a logical fallacy. For example, if someone claims that their point of view on a technical issue carries more weight because they are a scientist then it would be reasonable to point out that they did not complete their PhD. It would not be reasonable to point out that they are divorced, or a socialist.

Merely insulting someone is not technically an ad hominem unless it is done in a way that discredits their argument – however, it is still inappropriate.

The opposite fallacy to ad hominem is ‘appeal to authority,’ claiming that the good qualities of a person making an argument support that argument.
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 8:50am
 
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Attribution of extreme events is a challenging science and one that is currently undergoing considerable evolution.

In this paper, 20 different research groups explored the causes of 16 different events that occurred in 2013. The findings indicate that human-caused climate change greatly increased the risk for the extreme heat wavesassessed in this report. How human influence affected other types of events such as droughts, heavy rain events, and storms was less clear, indicating that natural variability likely played a much larger role in these extremes.

Multiple groups chose to look at both the Australian heat waves and the California drought, providing an opportunity to compare and contrast the strengths and weaknesses of various methodologies. There was considerable agreement about the role anthropogenic climate change played in the events between the different assessments.

This year three analyses were of severe storms and none found an anthropogenic signal. However, attribution assessments of these types of events pose unique challenges due to the often limited observational record. When human-influence for an event is not identified with the scientific tools available to us today, this means that if there is a human contribution, it cannot be distinguished from natural climate.


http://www2.ametsoc.org/ams/assets/File/publications/BAMS_EEE_2013_Full_Report.p...

The date of this paper is Sep 2014, the science has moved on from then! Event attribution to AGW is a fast growing area in climate research. For example read:

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060069847

In any case, the science was clear that anthropogenic causes (our reckless emission of greenhouse gases) led to extreme heat events.

That anthropogenic causes lie behind more and more extreme precipitation causing floods is easy to see in general: as the seas and the atmosphere warm up there is more evaporation followed in due course by more precipitation, e.g. Hurricane Harvey dumping 52" of rain on Houston in just one week. But attributing AGW to particular storms presented difficulties in 2014.
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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 10:56am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 12th, 2018 at 8:50am:
That anthropogenic causes lie behind more and more extreme precipitation causing floods is easy to see in general: as the seas and the atmosphere warm up there is more evaporation followed in due course by more precipitation, e.g. Hurricane Harvey dumping 52" of rain on Houston in just one week. But attributing AGW to particular storms presented difficulties in 2014.



Yes. And it still does.

California - 200 year drought -  before AGW. So plenty of natural variation.

Claims of AGW for Cyclone Harvey - but Harvey stalled over Houston for 4 days, constantly being replenished. But it was AGW "wot dunnit".

From your link -

"Today, scientists still generally agree that it's impossible to attribute any individual weather phenomenon solely to climate change. Storms, fires, droughts and other events are influenced by a variety of complex factors. And they're all acting at once, including both natural components of the climate system and sometimes unrelated human activities. For instance, a wildfire may be made more likely by hot, dry weather conditions, and by human land-use practices."

"New scientific data debunks the hyperventilating journalists suggesting the latest hurricanes to hit the United States, Harvey and Irma, were the cause of man-made Climate Change.

As explained by environmental analyst Nicholas Loris — who cites findings and analysis from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration and the National Hurricane Center — "Man-made warming did not cause Harvey and Irma."

"As carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions have increased, there have been no trends in global tropical cycle landfalls," states Loris. "Before Harvey and Irma, with a little bit of luck, the United States was in a 12-year hurricane drought. More importantly, the average number of hurricanes per decade reaching landfall in the U.S. has fallen over the past 160 years." "
https://www.dailywire.com/news/21289/study-no-hurricanes-harvey-and-irma-were-no...

And then there were the claims that the four hurricanes at one time was confirmation of AGW. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Damn JM you are getting sillier and sillier.
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Reply #14 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
Nothing justifies you changing my posts Bobby, nothing.  I doubt you ever had the slightest chance of being made Mod of this Forum, but whatever that chance is/was, you just blew it.

Dubyne IS a snake oil salesman.  Gawd, that last video I began to watch started off with some images of a bakery somewhere in Africa, (I guess he stole them from somewhere) and went on to other totally unrelated (except by him) stuff.

Just rubbish, and you, because you are a looney fringe dweller just like Light, lap it up as Holy Writ.  Sorry, Bobby, I'm not a fool.

you are a fool and now you can go away- a long way away
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