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Dec 30th, 2017 at 9:12am
 
I take my doctor's advice and I also consider the dangers of an epidemic, but this point of view is worthy of consideration.

The flu shot is largely worthless and possibly dangerous

Every year the "gubment" inveighs us to get our flu shots. It's our civic duty!
  The only problem is, studies have shown that the flu shot is either worthless, or almost worthless.
On average, past flu vaccines have been about 42 percent effective, though that number can range anywhere from 10 to 60 percent in a given year.... [T]his year's flu shot may not be up to the task. It is the same formulation that was used during Australia's most recent flu season -- which typically sets a pattern for what the U.S. will face -- and it was only 10 percent effective there.

Ten percent! That sounds very low.
  Dr. Pardis Sabeti, a Harvard professor and infectious disease expert [says] "Even 10 percent effective is better than nothing."
  Wow, a Harvard professor says that even ten percent is better than nothing! Far be it from me to challenge a Harvard professor (something I used to do quite frequently), but where does this ten percent figure come from?
  Take a study which claimed a 67% effectiveness of the flu shot. One group of 5103 people got the flu shot, and 49 of those caught the flu (almost 1%); a control group of 2549 people took a placebo, and 74 people got the flu (3%).
  Based on a statistical analysis of the 1% who caught the flu who were vaccinated and the 3% who caught it when unvaccinated, statisticians concluded by analysis (you can read it here) that the flu shot had an "effectiveness" of 67%.
  However, most laymen would conclude that most people, whether vaccinated or not, did not catch the flu, and that the difference between those vaccinated and those unvaccinated was only 2%. In fact, due to standard deviations, it is possible that the gap between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is even smaller.
  The bottom line is that even if the flu vaccine is effective, it helps a very small number of people. That still might make it worthwhile to inoculate people for, if it were 100% safe. Unfortunately, that's not entirely clear, according to a scientist at Johns Hopkins:
Although the CDC implies that flu vaccines are safe... an Australian study that found one in every 110 children under the age of five had convulsions following vaccinations in 2009 for H1N1 influenza. Additional investigations found that the H1N1 vaccine was also associated with a spike in cases of narcolepsy among adolescents.
  Another doctor points out:
The mercury contained in vaccines is such a strong immune depressant that a flu shot suppresses immunity for several weeks. “This makes people highly susceptible to catching the flu,” he says. “They may even think the vaccine gave them the flu, but that’s not true — it depressed their immune system and then they caught the flu.”

Mercury overstimulates the brain for several years, says Dr. Blaylock, and that activation is the cause of Alzheimer’s and other degenerative diseases. One study found that those who get the flu vaccine for three to five years increase their risk of Alzheimer’s disease 10-fold.  Those who defend the flu shot point out that when the flu vaccine is made it's based on a variation of last year's flu, and that the flu virus mutates so they will never get a 100% match for next year's flu. But from the looks of these statistics they aren't coming anywhere close to 100%. They also claim that even if you do catch the flu, you will catch a less severe version of it if you have a flu shot. To that I offer a pill that, if taken, will cure most common colds within 1-2 weeks.
  Most people get the flu shot, and don't get the flu, and then falsely conflate correlation with causation, and keep getting the flu shot without questioning the efficacy of it. Given the marginal, at best, benefit of the flu shot and the possible risk, an inoculation program aimed at everyone, without regard to risk vs. benefit, makes no sense.

:Newsmachete via American Thinker
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Re: The flu shot
Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 9:13am
 
its not worthless ,

they're making a killing ..

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Reply #2 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 9:20am
 
Obviously that is not the sense in which it is being discussed.
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Reply #3 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 9:22am
 
I would suggest get educated in what you are shooting into your veins ..

you are effectively a puppet and cyborg for being poisoned with your drugs

so be at peace nobody is forcing you are they ?..

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Reply #4 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:17am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 30th, 2017 at 9:22am:
I would suggest get educated in what you are shooting into your veins ..

you are effectively a puppet and cyborg for being poisoned with your drugs

so be at peace nobody is forcing you are they ?..




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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:17am
 
This thread contains fake news -
here is the truth:


https://www.livescience.com/24354-6-flu-vaccine-myths.html

There is a tiny amount of thiomerosal in the multidose bottles.
The preservative ensures that no bacteria will grow in the vaccine, Cunningham said.

The individual-dose bottles contain no thiomersal. (Mercury)

People concerned about the compounds effects can ask their provider for an individual dose.

The nasal spray form of the flu vaccine contains no thiomerosal, he noted.

Myth: Getting the flu can be a pain, but it's not really a serious disease, so vaccination isn't helpful.

"The flu is certainly a very serious disease," Cunningham said.

Every year, there are typically between 15 million and 60 million cases of the flu reported, Cunningham said.
More than 200,000 people with the flu are admitted to hospitals yearly.

Between 3,000 and 50,000 people in the U.S. die of the flu yearly.
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Reply #6 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:22am
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:17am:
This thread contains fake news -
here is the truth:


https://www.livescience.com/24354-6-flu-vaccine-myths.html

There is a tiny amount of thiomerosal in the multidose bottles.
The preservative ensures that no bacteria will grow in the vaccine, Cunningham said.

The individual-dose bottles contain no thiomersal. (Mercury)

People concerned about the compounds effects can ask their provider for an individual dose.

The nasal spray form of the flu vaccine contains no thiomerosal, he noted.

Myth: Getting the flu can be a pain, but it's not really a serious disease, so vaccination isn't helpful.

"The flu is certainly a very serious disease," Cunningham said.

Every year, there are typically between 15 million and 60 million cases of the flu reported, Cunningham said.
More than 200,000 people with the flu are admitted to hospitals yearly.

Between 3,000 and 50,000 people in the U.S. die of the flu yearly.


you simply produce corporate biased non factual material here sir bobby

are you on a commission ??

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Reply #7 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:23am
 
Bogard I'm disappointed that you would fall for the misinformation trotted out by the anti vax movement.

Vaccines used to contain Thiomersal (a safe compound that contained minute levels of Mercury) but they stopped using that around 2000, probably due to scaremongering by the anti vax movement. Even then the level of Mercury in the vaccine was less than the background level of Mercury in the environment.

No vaccine is 100% effective. That is why Herd immunity is so important to protect vulnerable members of the community such as the elderly, babies and people with compromised immune systems. The Flu vaccine is problematic because the virus is always mutating and that's why the last flu season we had was so bad. The vaccine was less than 40% effective. The very fact that vaccines arn't 100% effective is why getting them is so important. Herd immunity protects those who are vulnerable

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Today’s flu vaccines remain mediocre compared to those for measles or human papilloma virus, which offer 97% and 90% protection respectively. It’s normal for less than 60% of those vaccinated against the flu to develop a protective immune response.

In one study of the 2017 flu season a paltry 27% of Australians were vaccinated (73% weren’t), including just 6% of children. Among those vaccinated, 33% were effectively protected, though rates differed between the strains. The vaccine was 5-19% effective at protecting against H3N2 and 37% effective at protecting against H1N1 or flu B infections.

Flu vaccination doesn’t produce the same degree of immunity to flu viruses that wild infection does. But vaccine protection is much safer than getting the flu, and vaccination cannot give you the flu.
https://theconversation.com/heres-why-the-2017-flu-season-was-so-bad-86605


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Reply #8 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
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Reply #9 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
get educated here ..

someone has gone to a great extent to awaken many foolish people ..

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333413031
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Reply #10 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:26am
 
FDA admits in court case that vaccines still contain mercury

http://www.naturalnews.com/035432_vaccines_mercury_court_case.html
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/04/02/fda-admits-in-court-case-that-vaccin...


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It is a common myth today that the vaccines administered to children no longer contain the toxic additive thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative linked to causing permanent neurological damage. But a recent federal case involving the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has revealed that, contrary to this widely-held belief, thimerosal is actually still present in many batch vaccines, including in the annual influenza vaccine that is now administered to children as young as six months old.


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Mercury-Based Vaccine Preservative Lives On

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/23/44979.htm

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The Food and Drug Administration is not liable for approving a mercury-based vaccine preservative because more expensive, mercury-free vaccines are available upon request, a federal judge ruled.
     Thimerosal is a mercury-based compound that is FDA-approved as a vaccine preservative. Organizations such as the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs, however, have expressed concern about the preservative.


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Mercury is the second most toxic element on earth to plutonium. Toxicity of mercury has been linked to many different diseases, including autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, depression, and bipolar disorder. The amount of mercury found in one mercury thermometer is enough to pollute a small lake.

Health effects of mercury toxicity have been a concern because of the potential for it to act as a poison. Toxic doses of mercury can cause developmental effects in the fetus, as well as affecting the kidney and the nervous system in children and adults. Mercury exists in a number of different chemical forms, each one consisting of different levels of toxicity. The forms of mercury can also be converted from one to another in the environment and in the body, so symptoms caused by mercury poisoning depends on the precise chemical forms involved.

Mercury can be toxic when inhaled, eaten, or when placed on the skin. Low concentrations of mercury may appear to have no effect but signs of toxicity can develop later or become more noticeable with continued exposure. When toxicity in humans takes place loss of feeling or a burning sensation in arms and legs, psychological effects, loss of memory, loss of vision, loss of hearing, paralysis, congenital malformations, kidney toxicity, and death may occur. Prenatal toxicity can result in a child with normal appearance at birth but who later exhibits a developmental delay in the ability to walk and/or talk. Because of the long latent period for observable effects, the need for treatment may be recognized too late.

Health effects vary according to the amount of mercury exposure is taken into the body. The health risks of mercury at low levels of exposure remain uncertain, but this continues to be a highly debatable topic with ongoing scientific investigation. Fetuses, infants and small children appear to be particularly sensitive to mercury because their brains are still developing. Vaccines with mercury have been considered to contribute to autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s Disease, and other neurological conditions, and an FDA review conducted in 1998 determined that, at the time, children who received the full complement of childhood vaccines were potentially exposed to levels of mercury that were sometimes 30 to 50 times the acceptable levels established by the EPA.

High-level exposures to mercury can cause serious effects or even be lethal. Several historical examples of epidemic mercury poisonings in other parts of the world provide classic examples of investigative epidemiology and toxicology and serve to highlight the reasons why regulators are concerned about mercury. Effects on the brain and nervous system are frequently seen with high-level exposures to mercury and can be quite severe.
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Re: The flu shot
Reply #11 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:39am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:22am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:17am:
This thread contains fake news -
here is the truth:


https://www.livescience.com/24354-6-flu-vaccine-myths.html

There is a tiny amount of thiomerosal in the multidose bottles.
The preservative ensures that no bacteria will grow in the vaccine, Cunningham said.

The individual-dose bottles contain no thiomersal. (Mercury)

People concerned about the compounds effects can ask their provider for an individual dose.

The nasal spray form of the flu vaccine contains no thiomerosal, he noted.

Myth: Getting the flu can be a pain, but it's not really a serious disease, so vaccination isn't helpful.

"The flu is certainly a very serious disease," Cunningham said.

Every year, there are typically between 15 million and 60 million cases of the flu reported, Cunningham said.
More than 200,000 people with the flu are admitted to hospitals yearly.

Between 3,000 and 50,000 people in the U.S. die of the flu yearly.


you simply produce corporate biased non factual material here sir bobby

are you on a commission ??

you are forgiven so be at peace

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Dear sir master Light,
you have good intentions but your theories are based on foolish conspiracy theories.

About the author of the link I gave:

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Karen Rowan, Health Editor

    Karen came to LiveScience in 2010, after writing for Discover and Popular Mechanics magazines, and working as a correspondent for the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. She holds an M.S. degree in science and medical journalism from Boston University, as well as an M.S. in cellular biology from Northeastern Illinois University. Prior to becoming a journalist, Karen taught science at Adlai E. Stevenson High School, in Lincolnshire, Ill. for eight years.



Should we believe her or you?
What are your medical qualifications?
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Reply #12 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:42am
 
Never had it and don't intend on getting it.
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Reply #13 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 11:02am
 
Had it a few times when the employer paid for it....The only time I ever got the flu???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #14 - Dec 30th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:39am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:22am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 30th, 2017 at 10:17am:
This thread contains fake news -
here is the truth:


https://www.livescience.com/24354-6-flu-vaccine-myths.html

There is a tiny amount of thiomerosal in the multidose bottles.
The preservative ensures that no bacteria will grow in the vaccine, Cunningham said.

The individual-dose bottles contain no thiomersal. (Mercury)

People concerned about the compounds effects can ask their provider for an individual dose.

The nasal spray form of the flu vaccine contains no thiomerosal, he noted.

Myth: Getting the flu can be a pain, but it's not really a serious disease, so vaccination isn't helpful.

"The flu is certainly a very serious disease," Cunningham said.

Every year, there are typically between 15 million and 60 million cases of the flu reported, Cunningham said.
More than 200,000 people with the flu are admitted to hospitals yearly.

Between 3,000 and 50,000 people in the U.S. die of the flu yearly.


you simply produce corporate biased non factual material here sir bobby

are you on a commission ??

you are forgiven so be at peace

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Dear sir master Light,
you have good intentions but your theories are based on foolish conspiracy theories.

About the author of the link I gave:

Quote:
Karen Rowan, Health Editor

    Karen came to LiveScience in 2010, after writing for Discover and Popular Mechanics magazines, and working as a correspondent for the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. She holds an M.S. degree in science and medical journalism from Boston University, as well as an M.S. in cellular biology from Northeastern Illinois University. Prior to becoming a journalist, Karen taught science at Adlai E. Stevenson High School, in Lincolnshire, Ill. for eight years.



Should we believe her or you?
What are your medical qualifications?


yes she is " the science " the government points to ..

she is a paid shill for the vaccine companies essentially saying

that vaccines are good..

you are blind yet fear not

for in your ignorant stupor you are forgiven

so be at peace as you explain this

FDA admits in court case that vaccines still contain mercury

http://www.naturalnews.com/035432_vaccines_mercury_court_case.html
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/04/02/fda-admits-in-court-case-that-vaccin...


Quote:
It is a common myth today that the vaccines administered to children no longer contain the toxic additive thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative linked to causing permanent neurological damage. But a recent federal case involving the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has revealed that, contrary to this widely-held belief, thimerosal is actually still present in many batch vaccines, including in the annual influenza vaccine that is now administered to children as young as six months old.


__________________________

Mercury-Based Vaccine Preservative Lives On

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/23/44979.htm

Quote:
The Food and Drug Administration is not liable for approving a mercury-based vaccine preservative because more expensive, mercury-free vaccines are available upon request, a federal judge ruled.
     Thimerosal is a mercury-based compound that is FDA-approved as a vaccine preservative. Organizations such as the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs, however, have expressed concern about the preservative.


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[quote]Mercury is the second most toxic element on earth to plutonium. Toxicity of mercury has been linked to many different diseases, including autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, depression, and bipolar disorder. The amount of mercury found in one mercury thermometer is enough to pollute a small lake.

Health effects of mercury toxicity have been a concern because of the potential for it to act as a poison. Toxic doses of mercury can cause developmental effects in the fetus, as well as affecting the kidney and the nervous system in children and adults. Mercury exists in a number of different chemical forms, each one consisting of different levels of toxicity. The forms of mercury can also be converted from one to another in the environment and in the body, so symptoms caused by mercury poisoning depends on the precise chemical forms involved.

Mercury can be toxic when inhaled, eaten, or when placed on the skin. Low concentrations of mercury may appear to have no effect but signs of toxicity can develop later or become more noticeable with continued exposure. When toxicity in humans takes place loss of feeling or a burning sensation in arms and legs, psychological effects, loss of memory, loss of vision, loss of hearing, paralysis, congenital malformations, kidney toxicity, and death may occur. Prenatal toxicity can result in a child with normal appearance at birth but who later exhibits a developmental delay in the ability to walk and/or talk. Because of the long latent period for observable effects, the need for treatment may be recognized too late.

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