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Reply #15 - Dec 27th, 2017 at 6:44pm
 
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 11:18am:
They are paid at the market rate. End of story.


A CEO has not been paid at a rate relevant to any market in many decades.

It is very much a corrupt you scratch my back I'll scratch your back process.
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Reply #16 - Dec 27th, 2017 at 10:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 11:18am:
They are paid at the market rate. End of story.


A CEO has not been paid at a rate relevant to any market in many decades.

It is very much a corrupt you scratch my back I'll scratch your back process.


Could you show us your source for this please. Would love to read and analyse it.

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Reply #17 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 1:16am
 
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 11:18am:
They are paid at the market rate. End of story.


A CEO has not been paid at a rate relevant to any market in many decades.

It is very much a corrupt you scratch my back I'll scratch your back process.


Could you show us your source for this please. Would love to read and analyse it.



You want a source for what is generally known?

Better still - demand a full survey.... then let us see the results......
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Reply #18 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 6:46am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 1:16am:
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 11:18am:
They are paid at the market rate. End of story.


A CEO has not been paid at a rate relevant to any market in many decades.

It is very much a corrupt you scratch my back I'll scratch your back process.


Could you show us your source for this please. Would love to read and analyse it.



You want a source for what is generally known?

Better still - demand a full survey.... then let us see the results......


What's generally known. The fact that a handful of CEOs are well paid or that there is some corruption involved.

Sorry Grapples but I don't know of any corruption. If there is, it needs exposure.
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Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 7:18am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 11:18am:
They are paid at the market rate. End of story.


A CEO has not been paid at a rate relevant to any market in many decades.

It is very much a corrupt you scratch my back I'll scratch your back process.


some of these CEO's are managing many lawsuits for their companies , they are responsible for teams doing diverse things, they have to provide direction to the organisation, they have to travel extensively, they have to maintain relationships in multiple countries, they have to keep on top of the technology, they have competitors whose sole function in life is to take them down.

they are

off the chart in conscientousness
off the chart in IQ
off the chart in resistance to stress.

when we can pay an elite athlete millions of dollars, i have NO problem with a CEO being paid millions of dollars.
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Reply #20 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 7:56am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 7:18am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 6:44pm:
crocodile wrote on Dec 27th, 2017 at 11:18am:
They are paid at the market rate. End of story.


A CEO has not been paid at a rate relevant to any market in many decades.

It is very much a corrupt you scratch my back I'll scratch your back process.


some of these CEO's are managing many lawsuits for their companies , they are responsible for teams doing diverse things, they have to provide direction to the organisation, they have to travel extensively, they have to maintain relationships in multiple countries, they have to keep on top of the technology, they have competitors whose sole function in life is to take them down.

they are

off the chart in conscientousness
off the chart in IQ
off the chart in resistance to stress.

when we can pay an elite athlete millions of dollars, i have NO problem with a CEO being paid millions of dollars.



And they laugh all the way to the bank.

Even if they send their company broke they still get a golden handshake for $millions.
Nice work if you can get it.
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Reply #21 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 7:58am
 
Australian CEOs continue receiving fat bonuses, ACSI asks what they've done to deserve it

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Posted 24 Aug 2017, 11:33am


Some of Australia's top chief executives might be receiving bonuses they don't necessarily deserve.   Sad
Key points:

    86 per cent of ASX 100 chief executives collected a fat bonus
    Only 18 per cent of CEOs received less than half of their potential bonus
    Report also confirmed the dominance of male chief executives in the ASX 100

A survey by the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors (ACSI) shows that, on average, CEO fixed pay has not changed substantially since the global financial crisis, mainly due to shareholder pressure.

But the study of 2016 remuneration showed 86 per cent of ASX 100 chief executives collected a fat bonus, raising questions about whether bosses were jumping a high enough bar to boost their base pay.   Sad

ACSI chief executive Louise Davidson questioned why only 18 per cent of CEOs received less than half of their potential bonus, given dissatisfaction about some corporate performances.

"Investors reasonably assume that bonuses will only be awarded for exceptional performance over and above normal expectations," Ms Davidson said.

    "But we're seeing it's pretty hard to miss out on a bonus if you're a CEO.

"The prevalence of CEO bonuses at consistently high levels raises serious questions about the way performance hurdles are being designed and applied."

While Ms Davidson welcomed the move by a small number of boards to reduce CEO bonuses, she pointed to the lacklustre performance of some companies.

"We can't help wondering why these executives would have qualified for any payments in the first place,   Sad
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Reply #22 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:36am
 
As others have pointed out, it all comes down to value - what service you're providing, what income the company makes and what your employer is willing to pay. In terms of CEOs reported in the media, the "obscene" wages" of CEOs in question are mostly in reference to Top 100 ASX companies, which have more workers and entail a greater level of responsibilty in the decisions the CEO makes. If you looked at the wages CEOs were earning in the Top 1000 or 10000 companies in Australia, you'd probably find as you went further down the list that their wages would be below $1,000,000 PA, to the point that they were earning about $100-200 K above the next senior manager. Given what must one scarifice to be the CEO of a company, I think that the level of compensation they receive is fair. Listen to the NPR podcast "How I built this" to get a better idea of what a CEO does to get to where they are.

But if a CEOs wage is obscene, why is it not obscene for a cleaner in Australia to earn $20 an hour, while a cleaner in Bangladesh earns $1-2 dollars a day?
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Reply #23 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 10:43am
 
whiteknight wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 7:58am:
Australian CEOs continue receiving fat bonuses, ACSI asks what they've done to deserve it

ABC News
Posted 24 Aug 2017, 11:33am


Some of Australia's top chief executives might be receiving bonuses they don't necessarily deserve.   Sad
Key points:

    86 per cent of ASX 100 chief executives collected a fat bonus
    Only 18 per cent of CEOs received less than half of their potential bonus
    Report also confirmed the dominance of male chief executives in the ASX 100

A survey by the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors (ACSI) shows that, on average, CEO fixed pay has not changed substantially since the global financial crisis, mainly due to shareholder pressure.

But the study of 2016 remuneration showed 86 per cent of ASX 100 chief executives collected a fat bonus, raising questions about whether bosses were jumping a high enough bar to boost their base pay.   Sad

ACSI chief executive Louise Davidson questioned why only 18 per cent of CEOs received less than half of their potential bonus, given dissatisfaction about some corporate performances.

"Investors reasonably assume that bonuses will only be awarded for exceptional performance over and above normal expectations," Ms Davidson said.

    "But we're seeing it's pretty hard to miss out on a bonus if you're a CEO.

"The prevalence of CEO bonuses at consistently high levels raises serious questions about the way performance hurdles are being designed and applied."

While Ms Davidson welcomed the move by a small number of boards to reduce CEO bonuses, she pointed to the lacklustre performance of some companies.

"We can't help wondering why these executives would have qualified for any payments in the first place,   Sad


So Whitey, are you suggesting that the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors ( ACSI ) is the body that decides what payment others deserve. What do they base this assumption upon. Do you see just a tad of vested interest in such an arrangement.

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Reply #24 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 7:07am
 
minarchist wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:36am:
As others have pointed out, it all comes down to value - what service you're providing, what income the company makes and what your employer is willing to pay. In terms of CEOs reported in the media, the "obscene" wages" of CEOs in question are mostly in reference to Top 100 ASX companies, which have more workers and entail a greater level of responsibilty in the decisions the CEO makes. If you looked at the wages CEOs were earning in the Top 1000 or 10000 companies in Australia, you'd probably find as you went further down the list that their wages would be below $1,000,000 PA, to the point that they were earning about $100-200 K above the next senior manager. Given what must one scarifice to be the CEO of a company, I think that the level of compensation they receive is fair. Listen to the NPR podcast "How I built this" to get a better idea of what a CEO does to get to where they are.

But if a CEOs wage is obscene, why is it not obscene for a cleaner in Australia to earn $20 an hour, while a cleaner in Bangladesh earns $1-2 dollars a day?


We don't live in Bangladesh with its lowest of the low living costs alongside its wages.. there is no discussion here in any way... reduce living costs here and you might be able to reduce NEEDED wages. 

How much are YOU prepared to work for here?????

How do YOU justify Bangladeshi company owners being mega-millionaires while exploiting their workers to the tune of $1-2 a day wages?  Some kind of divine right of company owners?

What exactly does one 'sacrifice' to be a CEO of a company, may one ask?  That's like saying politicians work hard etc and sacrifice so much.... so much that they need to be handed an income for life so they can 'spend more time with their family' while being handed some nice little earner out of the government pocket - maybe they need to try that one for real some time...  I, for one, spent not a single Christmas Eve or NYE etc with my family - where's my massive income for life?

How is it that companies can 'make a loss' on paper, still pay out nice dividends, and then be able to pay their executives massive bonuses?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 7:34am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 7:07am:
minarchist wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 9:36am:
As others have pointed out, it all comes down to value - what service you're providing, what income the company makes and what your employer is willing to pay. In terms of CEOs reported in the media, the "obscene" wages" of CEOs in question are mostly in reference to Top 100 ASX companies, which have more workers and entail a greater level of responsibilty in the decisions the CEO makes. If you looked at the wages CEOs were earning in the Top 1000 or 10000 companies in Australia, you'd probably find as you went further down the list that their wages would be below $1,000,000 PA, to the point that they were earning about $100-200 K above the next senior manager. Given what must one scarifice to be the CEO of a company, I think that the level of compensation they receive is fair. Listen to the NPR podcast "How I built this" to get a better idea of what a CEO does to get to where they are.

But if a CEOs wage is obscene, why is it not obscene for a cleaner in Australia to earn $20 an hour, while a cleaner in Bangladesh earns $1-2 dollars a day?


We don't live in Bangladesh with its lowest of the low living costs alongside its wages.. there is no discussion here in any way... reduce living costs here and you might be able to reduce NEEDED wages. 

How much are YOU prepared to work for here?????

How do YOU justify Bangladeshi company owners being mega-millionaires while exploiting their workers to the tune of $1-2 a day wages?  Some kind of divine right of company owners?

What exactly does one 'sacrifice' to be a CEO of a company, may one ask?  That's like saying politicians work hard etc and sacrifice so much.... so much that they need to be handed an income for life so they can 'spend more time with their family' while being handed some nice little earner out of the government pocket - maybe they need to try that one for real some time...  I, for one, spent not a single Christmas Eve or NYE etc with my family - where's my massive income for life?

How is it that companies can 'make a loss' on paper, still pay out nice dividends, and then be able to pay their executives massive bonuses?   Roll Eyes



Your average CEO is probably bordering on insane.
insanely ambitous, insanely conscientous, insanely resistant to stress.

Thats why i laugh when i hear about the "glass ceiling".
the more appropriate question is "why are there any MEN at all who are willing to work so dammed hard.

To get woken at 3 am on a sunday morning and spend hours in brutal concentration to fix a problem that has to be fixed "right now".

see you think its about the $$$$.

its not.

thats just a way of keeping score.

these guys take competition to a new level.

they dont care about the cash matey.
they just care that their pay cheque is bigger then the CEO from the skyscraper next door.

does this matter?

of course not. the ammount they get is chickenfeed in comparison to the wealth they create for the business and the shareholders.

the guy who resuscitated disney when it was nearly in the red.

they paid him 50 million (this was years ago) and there was a huge uproar.

he has probably created 1000x that in terms of disney profits since his plan came to fruition.

these guys are worth every cent of it.

the decisions made by the guy at the top of amazon or facebook or google or apple result in trillions of dollars flowing into the pockets of the company owners.(the shareholders)

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Reply #26 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 7:53am
 
The rise of CEO salaries was kicked off with the implementation and rise of Milton Friedman’s neo-liberalism policies in the late 1960’s early 1970’s, this was the beginning of the switch from the Keynesian economic model to what we have today.

This switch which would eventually lead to a corporatocracy also triggered the decline of salary and wages for the average person, up until the late sixties salaries and wages kept up with the cost of living.

After Friedman’s policies were introduced and being adopted, CEO’s went from half a million dollars per annum which was still a fair bit back then to the crazy we have today and at the same time salaries and wages started to stagnate.

Friedman’s system was designed to place all the wealth in the hands of the few, it’s a hoarding system where by a hand full of individuals get rich while the majority are for ever falling behind.


CEO comparison to average worker.
Late 1960’s                                       Today
CEO $500,000 per annum                  $15,000,000 per annum
Average worker $15,000 pe annum    $50,000 per annum
500000/15000 = 33.33                     15000000/50000 = 300


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Reply #27 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 8:04am
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 8:09am
 
stunspore wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 8:04am:
Poor aqua defending the indefensible.



grateful aqua celebrating contribution .
when aqua looks at his super balance, he weeps tears of joy for the dedication of these "superior men".

aqua is tempted to send the CEO of some of these companies a bottle of moet as a way of thanking them for their service
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Reply #29 - Dec 29th, 2017 at 8:18am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 8:09am:
stunspore wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 8:04am:
Poor aqua defending the indefensible.



grateful aqua celebrating contribution .
when aqua looks at his super balance, he weeps tears of joy for the dedication of these "superior men".

aqua is tempted to send the CEO of some of these companies a bottle of moet as a way of thanking them for their service


Don't be too gracious it could be wiped off overnight, for your sake I hope its not.
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