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Reply #45 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 6:42am
 
Poor deluded leftie munchkins.

John Howard was one of our best Prime Ministers, second only to Hawke in the modern era.
Like Hawke, he delivered a decade of stable govt - no mean feat in these times.
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Reply #46 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 6:48am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 11:23am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 11:09am:
Wee Johnnie sold off the furniture and installed tax cuts to the higher paid that have never been undone.  Nothing competent about it in any way.  He also shop-lifted the Futures Fund to the Caymans to evade tax and put his mate Peter Costello in charge of it at a handsome return,  while stinging the lowest paid in the land $12 a fortnight for child support under some delusion of 'responsibility' but really as a measure to help 'his' budgetary problems.  He also lead this nation into a 'just 'cause we can' war on false premises.

The sorriest John Howard day was the day he entered politics.


Australia was one of the very few countries to survive the GFC relatively unscathed, thanks solely to John Howard and Peter Costello. The single most stupid, idiotic decision by voters in the last 40 years was to vote in Kevin Rudd. His time as Prime Minister was marked by debt, deficit, out of control spending and thousands of deaths (both Australians and foreigners) as a direct result of his government's policies. He is quite literally our worst-ever PM, which is no easy feat considering most people previously believed Gough Whitlam to be. Julia Gillard was an unmitigated disaster but thanks to Whitlam, she comes in a close 3rd followed by Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating to round off the top five worst Prime Minister's since Federation.


It was Howard's unafordable tax cuts which meant we came out of the GFC with a decade of deficit Howard threw away the money that could have paid the bills.


Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn and replaced it with a surplus of more than $22bn. He could afford it because all of his policies were fully funded and paid for with money he did not have to borrow. He could afford it because he wasn't repaying a debt. Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar. The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example. Tax cuts provide people with more disposable income, which means they can pay down debt and/or spend more. When this occurs, business profits (literally) and the economy booms. This is precisely what we saw happen. You love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them. Labor did nothing - NOTHING. It was only by the good work done by Howard and Costello that we survived the GFC. We survived, but only just. The incompetence and panic of both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt. Then, in a colossal blunder, Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd - a real master stroke (not). You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right. Otherwise, you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.



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both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt.


Yet economists agree that to have not acted would have given much worse results, there is nothing surprising about a surplus disappearing in a financial crisis. It would have been unbelievable for this to have not happened irrespective of who was in power yet you typically blame Labor.

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Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd


The money was not borrowed and it was mostly spent into the economy, it made a difference.

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You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right.


My facts are close to the mark, your's are easily shown to be flawed. Everyone cherry picks it isn't possible to post a full history of everything and nobody would bother to read it if you did.

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you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.


I feel no need to directly insult you - anyone reading can tell who the ill-informed biased idiot is.
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Re: National Sorry John Howard Day
Reply #47 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 7:12am
 
Howard still stands triumphant as the least honest leader we have ever had.

Howard's only real skill was his ability to win elections.

He worked out the formula that you only had to fool 51% of the people once every three years.

To get this 51% he used, manufactured and/or lied about:

There will never ever ever be a GST under any government I lead.
Children overboard and the Tampa
The waterfront dispute.
Iraq war
Who do you trust?
WMD'S
NT intervention.
ETC.

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Liberal senator and member of the committee that first investigated the children overboard affair, George Brandis, said of Howard "He is a lying rodent" and "We've got to go off and cover his arse again on this."


Yes George had to go into the children overboard investigation and tell lies to defend what he knew to be Howard's lies and he didn't much like it.


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Re: National Sorry John Howard Day
Reply #48 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 7:38am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 6:42am:
Poor deluded leftie munchkins.

John Howard was one of our best Prime Ministers, second only to Hawke in the modern era.
Like Hawke, he delivered a decade of stable govt - no mean feat in these times.


Deluded?
Of course you are a coalition supporter, so no delusion there.
I am 100% happy for history to judge howard.
While in the past lies and deception, and even incompetence, could be hidden, it cannot today. And history knows all of howard's dirty tricks.
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Re: National Sorry John Howard Day
Reply #49 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 8:02am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Howard was a lying little bastard who did very little to improve Australia during his Prime Minister ship....No f@#ken way am I ever going to apologise to any politician especially John bloody Howard!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You should've gone to Specsavers.


What did Howard do to make you worship him AP???

Huh Huh Huh


Paid off ALP debt, lowered interest rates, lowered unemployment, stopped the boats (and drownings), reformed tax system, lowered individual workers tax, improved Medicare, stopped gun massacres, banking reforms that helped protect us from GFC among other economic policies. I could go on and on. What has Labor done since?


Fair enough if that is what you believe....My opinion of Howard is no worse than any other politician bar a few....The Iraq war, children overboard, Tampa and the high end tax perks dished out when the economy was booming above average where poor decisions and outright lies....F@#k John Howard IMO!!!

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Reply #50 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:27am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 6:42am:
Poor deluded leftie munchkins.

John Howard was one of our best Prime Ministers, second only to Hawke in the modern era.
Like Hawke, he delivered a decade of stable govt - no mean feat in these times.

He was in fact PM longer than Hawke and 2nd only to Menzies.
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Reply #51 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:28am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 8:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Howard was a lying little bastard who did very little to improve Australia during his Prime Minister ship....No f@#ken way am I ever going to apologise to any politician especially John bloody Howard!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You should've gone to Specsavers.


What did Howard do to make you worship him AP???

Huh Huh Huh


Paid off ALP debt, lowered interest rates, lowered unemployment, stopped the boats (and drownings), reformed tax system, lowered individual workers tax, improved Medicare, stopped gun massacres, banking reforms that helped protect us from GFC among other economic policies. I could go on and on. What has Labor done since?


Fair enough if that is what you believe....My opinion of Howard is no worse than any other politician bar a few....The Iraq war, children overboard, Tampa and the high end tax perks dished out when the economy was booming above average where poor decisions and outright lies....F@#k John Howard IMO!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

Haters gotta hate Armchair...  phil is just one of many. Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Re: National Sorry John Howard Day
Reply #52 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:31am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:28am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 8:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Howard was a lying little bastard who did very little to improve Australia during his Prime Minister ship....No f@#ken way am I ever going to apologise to any politician especially John bloody Howard!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You should've gone to Specsavers.


What did Howard do to make you worship him AP???

Huh Huh Huh


Paid off ALP debt, lowered interest rates, lowered unemployment, stopped the boats (and drownings), reformed tax system, lowered individual workers tax, improved Medicare, stopped gun massacres, banking reforms that helped protect us from GFC among other economic policies. I could go on and on. What has Labor done since?


Fair enough if that is what you believe....My opinion of Howard is no worse than any other politician bar a few....The Iraq war, children overboard, Tampa and the high end tax perks dished out when the economy was booming above average where poor decisions and outright lies....F@#k John Howard IMO!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

Haters gotta hate Armchair...  phil is just one of many. Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


I don't hate you mate....I just think you are a dickhead that is not worth my time!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: National Sorry John Howard Day
Reply #53 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:36am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:28am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 8:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Howard was a lying little bastard who did very little to improve Australia during his Prime Minister ship....No f@#ken way am I ever going to apologise to any politician especially John bloody Howard!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You should've gone to Specsavers.


What did Howard do to make you worship him AP???

Huh Huh Huh


Paid off ALP debt, lowered interest rates, lowered unemployment, stopped the boats (and drownings), reformed tax system, lowered individual workers tax, improved Medicare, stopped gun massacres, banking reforms that helped protect us from GFC among other economic policies. I could go on and on. What has Labor done since?


Fair enough if that is what you believe....My opinion of Howard is no worse than any other politician bar a few....The Iraq war, children overboard, Tampa and the high end tax perks dished out when the economy was booming above average where poor decisions and outright lies....F@#k John Howard IMO!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

Haters gotta hate Armchair...  phil is just one of many. Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


You may not like what he said but it was accurate.
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Reply #54 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:37am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:27am:
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 6:42am:
Poor deluded leftie munchkins.

John Howard was one of our best Prime Ministers, second only to Hawke in the modern era.
Like Hawke, he delivered a decade of stable govt - no mean feat in these times.

He was in fact PM longer than Hawke and 2nd only to Menzies.


Yes he held Australia back for a long long time.
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Reply #55 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 11:37am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:31am:
Grendel wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 9:28am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 8:02am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Howard was a lying little bastard who did very little to improve Australia during his Prime Minister ship....No f@#ken way am I ever going to apologise to any politician especially John bloody Howard!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You should've gone to Specsavers.


What did Howard do to make you worship him AP???

Huh Huh Huh


Paid off ALP debt, lowered interest rates, lowered unemployment, stopped the boats (and drownings), reformed tax system, lowered individual workers tax, improved Medicare, stopped gun massacres, banking reforms that helped protect us from GFC among other economic policies. I could go on and on. What has Labor done since?


Fair enough if that is what you believe....My opinion of Howard is no worse than any other politician bar a few....The Iraq war, children overboard, Tampa and the high end tax perks dished out when the economy was booming above average where poor decisions and outright lies....F@#k John Howard IMO!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley

Haters gotta hate Armchair...  phil is just one of many. Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


I don't hate you mate....I just think you are a dickhead that is not worth my time!!!

Smiley Smiley Smiley


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Reply #56 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 11:58am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 7:12am:
Howard still stands triumphant as the least honest leader we have ever had.

Howard's only real skill was his ability to win elections.

He worked out the formula that you only had to fool 51% of the people once every three years.

To get this 51% he used, manufactured and/or lied about:

There will never ever ever be a GST under any government I lead.
Children overboard and the Tampa
The waterfront dispute.
Iraq war
Who do you trust?
WMD'S
NT intervention.
ETC.

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Liberal senator and member of the committee that first investigated the children overboard affair, George Brandis, said of Howard "He is a lying rodent" and "We've got to go off and cover his arse again on this."


Yes George had to go into the children overboard investigation and tell lies to defend what he knew to be Howard's lies and he didn't much like it.




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Swan: That's hysterical.
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Reply #57 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 12:01pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 6:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 11:23am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 11:09am:
Wee Johnnie sold off the furniture and installed tax cuts to the higher paid that have never been undone.  Nothing competent about it in any way.  He also shop-lifted the Futures Fund to the Caymans to evade tax and put his mate Peter Costello in charge of it at a handsome return,  while stinging the lowest paid in the land $12 a fortnight for child support under some delusion of 'responsibility' but really as a measure to help 'his' budgetary problems.  He also lead this nation into a 'just 'cause we can' war on false premises.

The sorriest John Howard day was the day he entered politics.


Australia was one of the very few countries to survive the GFC relatively unscathed, thanks solely to John Howard and Peter Costello. The single most stupid, idiotic decision by voters in the last 40 years was to vote in Kevin Rudd. His time as Prime Minister was marked by debt, deficit, out of control spending and thousands of deaths (both Australians and foreigners) as a direct result of his government's policies. He is quite literally our worst-ever PM, which is no easy feat considering most people previously believed Gough Whitlam to be. Julia Gillard was an unmitigated disaster but thanks to Whitlam, she comes in a close 3rd followed by Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating to round off the top five worst Prime Minister's since Federation.


It was Howard's unafordable tax cuts which meant we came out of the GFC with a decade of deficit Howard threw away the money that could have paid the bills.


Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn and replaced it with a surplus of more than $22bn. He could afford it because all of his policies were fully funded and paid for with money he did not have to borrow. He could afford it because he wasn't repaying a debt. Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar. The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example. Tax cuts provide people with more disposable income, which means they can pay down debt and/or spend more. When this occurs, business profits (literally) and the economy booms. This is precisely what we saw happen. You love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them. Labor did nothing - NOTHING. It was only by the good work done by Howard and Costello that we survived the GFC. We survived, but only just. The incompetence and panic of both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt. Then, in a colossal blunder, Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd - a real master stroke (not). You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right. Otherwise, you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.



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both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt.


Yet economists agree that to have not acted would have given much worse results, there is nothing surprising about a surplus disappearing in a financial crisis. It would have been unbelievable for this to have not happened irrespective of who was in power yet you typically blame Labor.

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Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd


The money was not borrowed and it was mostly spent into the economy, it made a difference.

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You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right.


My facts are close to the mark, your's are easily shown to be flawed. Everyone cherry picks it isn't possible to post a full history of everything and nobody would bother to read it if you did.

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you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.


I feel no need to directly insult you - anyone reading can tell who the ill-informed biased idiot is.


Labor acted for the sake of it. No thought was given as to the consequences. Just throw money at the problem and all will be okay. Idiocy.
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Reply #58 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 11:58am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 7:12am:
Howard still stands triumphant as the least honest leader we have ever had.

Howard's only real skill was his ability to win elections.

He worked out the formula that you only had to fool 51% of the people once every three years.

To get this 51% he used, manufactured and/or lied about:

There will never ever ever be a GST under any government I lead.
Children overboard and the Tampa
The waterfront dispute.
Iraq war
Who do you trust?
WMD'S
NT intervention.
ETC.

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Liberal senator and member of the committee that first investigated the children overboard affair, George Brandis, said of Howard "He is a lying rodent" and "We've got to go off and cover his arse again on this."


Yes George had to go into the children overboard investigation and tell lies to defend what he knew to be Howard's lies and he didn't much like it.




Gillard: No carbon tax.
Swan: That's hysterical.


The difference is that Gillard got one wrong where Howard got one wrong almost every day.

Overall the difference is that Gillard was one of our more honest leaders and Howard was right as far as you can get at the other end of the scale.
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Reply #59 - Nov 25th, 2017 at 12:14pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
Labor acted for the sake of it. No thought was given as to the consequences. Just throw money at the problem and all will be okay. Idiocy.


Yet Swan was awarded for the economic performance at the time. Spending on infrastructure and putting money into the economy may well have prevented recession and certainly helped to get us through the GFC.

If you are right he must have been real lucky. Much more likely is that the well planned and executed spend produced economic dividends.

The argument that he was a clutz who accidentally got it right every time fails to hold water.
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