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Reply #30 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:44pm

macman wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:17am:

You have to be joking! The little gutter rat was a complete failure! The last good PM before a long line of losers was the right honourable G Whitlam, now theres a man who deserves a national sorry day for the disgusting way scumbag Fraser undermined him. Shame liberals shame.

you are another rotten shameless *** T who has sold out, not only his children and their childrens future but their children as well...

you **** ing scumbag... I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire... Angry

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The Loans affair, also called the Khemlani affair, was a political scandal involving the Whitlam Government of Australia in 1975, in which it was accused of attempting to unconstitutionally borrow money from Middle Eastern countries through the agency of Pakistani banker Tirath Khemlani, bypassing standard procedures of the Australian Treasury. Minerals and Energy Minister Rex Connor, along with Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister Dr Jim Cairns misled Parliament and were forced from the Whitlam Cabinet over the Affair, which was a key precursor to the Constitutional Crisis and the Dismissal of the Whitlam Government in 1975.[1]

macman... mactraitor more like it you pussy... you make me sick you pissant... Angry

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Reply #31 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:46pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Wee Johnnie sold off the furniture and installed tax cuts to the higher paid that have never been undone. Nothing competent about it in any way. He also shop-lifted the Futures Fund to the Caymans to evade tax and put his mate Peter Costello in charge of it at a handsome return, while stinging the lowest paid in the land $12 a fortnight for child support under some delusion of 'responsibility' but really as a measure to help 'his' budgetary problems. He also lead this nation into a 'just 'cause we can' war on false premises.

The sorriest John Howard day was the day he entered politics.

Australia was one of the very few countries to survive the GFC relatively unscathed, thanks solely to John Howard and Peter Costello. The single most stupid, idiotic decision by voters in the last 40 years was to vote in Kevin Rudd. His time as Prime Minister was marked by debt, deficit, out of control spending and thousands of deaths (both Australians and foreigners) as a direct result of his government's policies. He is quite literally our worst-ever PM, which is no easy feat considering most people previously believed Gough Whitlam to be. Julia Gillard was an unmitigated disaster but thanks to Whitlam, she comes in a close 3rd followed by Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating to round off the top five worst Prime Minister's since Federation.

It was Howard's unafordable tax cuts which meant we came out of the GFC with a decade of deficit Howard threw away the money that could have paid the bills.

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Reply #32 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:52pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Wee Johnnie sold off the furniture and installed tax cuts to the higher paid that have never been undone. Nothing competent about it in any way. He also shop-lifted the Futures Fund to the Caymans to evade tax and put his mate Peter Costello in charge of it at a handsome return, while stinging the lowest paid in the land $12 a fortnight for child support under some delusion of 'responsibility' but really as a measure to help 'his' budgetary problems. He also lead this nation into a 'just 'cause we can' war on false premises.

The sorriest John Howard day was the day he entered politics.

oh ok...

so what you are saying is that you'd prefer to be in 500+ Billion dollars in debt than have 20 Billion dollars in the bank so that your grand children could have a better future??

what an absolute piece of garbage you are selling out your grand children and their children future just so that you can play silly political games... you Rotten *** T Angry

When we look at the environment you don't seem to give a bugger about your great grand children's future.

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Reply #33 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:56pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

minarchist wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

On the 24th of November, 2007, Australians thought that a government that had eliminated nearly all federal government debt, lead the country into its 14th year of economic growth and one of the most prosperous periods of its economic history wasn't good enough. Instead, it caved into the charm of a neurotic, fluent mandarin speaking, tried to appeal to everyone but ended appealing to no-one dweeb known as Kevin Rudd. Thus began a period of incompetent federal governance led by the proceeding three leaders, combined with a federal government debt now exceeding $500 billion and a period of general economic stagnation, with the possibility of a clusterbugger recession.

Therefore, I propose that today be declared National Sorry John Howard day. Because regardless of how dorky you thought he was or how you hated his refugee policy or his views on gay marriage, economically things were bloody great and it's going to be a long time before things get to the way they were.

Also, Peter Costello was an idiot for leaving federal politics, the 2010 election would've been his for the taking!

Brilliant!!!!

and I can only apologise on behalf of the other halfwits who voted against John Howard... as I didn't...

Australia's Best Prime Minister by a long shot!!

especially in modern times..

Hmmm, brilliant?? The bar must be very low then.
Brilliant in what respect??

"The first was to move the responsibility for monetary policy from the elected government to the government-appointed Reserve Bank. This meant that he no longer had to take the blame for rises in interest rates, while of course continuing to demand the credit for falls. This early switch developed into a pattern: throughout his prime ministership, Howard steadfastly refused to accept responsibility for anything. Only on Saturday night, with nothing left to lose, was he prepared to own up.

Howard’s second legacy was the never-ever GST, a particularly nasty piece of regressive taxation whose only virtue is its universality; if a GST is absolutely comprehensive it is impossible to avoid. By compromising with Democrats to exempt some so-called essential items, Howard destroyed even this advantage. The GST remains an unfair and lazy way of collecting revenue, and has led to an immensely complicated series of benefits and hand outs to compensate for its ill effects. It is now entrenched as monument to Howard’s political dishonesty and economic incompetence.

The third innovation was, of course, WorkChoices. Unheralded and badly thought out, this grab-bag of ideological thuggery was thrust upon a startled electorate when an unexpected opportunity arose, and the results are now clear. Some of its worst features have already been quietly disposed of, and most of the rest will go as soon as the senate allows. What is left will indeed constitute reform of the industrial relations system; but it will not be the “reform” of which Howard boasted."

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Re: National Sorry John Howard Day
Reply #34 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 1:06pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

Howard was a lying little bastard who did very little to improve Australia during his Prime Minister ship....No f@#ken way am I ever going to apologise to any politician especially John bloody Howard!!!

Roll Eyes

You should've gone to Specsavers.

What did Howard do to make you worship him AP???

Huh

Paid off ALP debt, lowered interest rates, lowered unemployment, stopped the boats (and drownings), reformed tax system, lowered individual workers tax, improved Medicare, stopped gun massacres, banking reforms that helped protect us from GFC among other economic policies. I could go on and on. What has Labor done since?

National Sorry John Howard was ever born Day

Paid off ALP debt

Funded by Keatigs reforms.

lowered interest rates

Coincidentally synchronised with the rest of the world.

lowered unemployment

After deliberately forcing high unemployment in the Fraser government showed the hypocrisy to take the credit for a world ecanomic boom which drove employment.

lowered individual workers tax

By bugger all for anyone on average wages, it almost all went to the already high paid.

The biggie that he did do was to re-gear the economy to be reliant of the well above average economic performance of his period in office.

He left us the legacy of an economy which was going to fail as soon as conditions returned to normal levels.

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Reply #35 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:28pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Wee Johnnie sold off the furniture and installed tax cuts to the higher paid that have never been undone. Nothing competent about it in any way. He also shop-lifted the Futures Fund to the Caymans to evade tax and put his mate Peter Costello in charge of it at a handsome return, while stinging the lowest paid in the land $12 a fortnight for child support under some delusion of 'responsibility' but really as a measure to help 'his' budgetary problems. He also lead this nation into a 'just 'cause we can' war on false premises.

The sorriest John Howard day was the day he entered politics.

Australia was one of the very few countries to survive the GFC relatively unscathed, thanks solely to John Howard and Peter Costello. The single most stupid, idiotic decision by voters in the last 40 years was to vote in Kevin Rudd. His time as Prime Minister was marked by debt, deficit, out of control spending and thousands of deaths (both Australians and foreigners) as a direct result of his government's policies. He is quite literally our worst-ever PM, which is no easy feat considering most people previously believed Gough Whitlam to be. Julia Gillard was an unmitigated disaster but thanks to Whitlam, she comes in a close 3rd followed by Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating to round off the top five worst Prime Minister's since Federation.

It was Howard's unafordable tax cuts which meant we came out of the GFC with a decade of deficit Howard threw away the money that could have paid the bills.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn and replaced it with a surplus of more than $22bn. He could afford it because all of his policies were fully funded and paid for with money he did not have to borrow. He could afford it because he wasn't repaying a debt. Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar. The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example. Tax cuts provide people with more disposable income, which means they can pay down debt and/or spend more. When this occurs, business profits (literally) and the economy booms. This is precisely what we saw happen. You love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them. Labor did nothing - NOTHING. It was only by the good work done by Howard and Costello that we survived the GFC. We survived, but only just. The incompetence and panic of both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt. Then, in a colossal blunder, Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd - a real master stroke (not). You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right. Otherwise, you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 27583 Gender:	Re: National Sorry John Howard Day Reply #37 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:36pm Its time wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:32pm: His political career is dead buried and cremated as will damp squibs very very soon Yes, of course. That must be why he is so sought-after on the public speaking circuit.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88838 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: National Sorry John Howard Day Reply #38 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:49pm Oh yes - and his government shut the gate when they realised that with the diagnosis of PTSD, more and more ex-Service personnel would be getting TPI or a higher pension rate, thus blowing the budget of DVA. Why any grunt would support his clown is beyond me.
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Re: National Sorry John Howard Day
Reply #39 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:50pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

His political career is dead buried and cremated as will damp squibs very very soon

Yes, of course. That must be why he is so sought-after on the public speaking circuit. Roll Eyes

Yes - fools dwell on his every word.... what on earth could he have of value to impart to people?

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Reply #40 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:52pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn and replaced it with a surplus of more than $22bn. He could afford it because all of his policies were fully funded and paid for with money he did not have to borrow. He could afford it because he wasn't repaying a debt. Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar. The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example. Tax cuts provide people with more disposable income, which means they can pay down debt and/or spend more. When this occurs, business profits (literally) and the economy booms. This is precisely what we saw happen. You love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them. Labor did nothing - NOTHING. It was only by the good work done by Howard and Costello that we survived the GFC. We survived, but only just. The incompetence and panic of both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt. Then, in a colossal blunder, Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd - a real master stroke (not). You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right. Otherwise, you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are. [/quote]

Wrong, wrong, wrong - he sold off the revenue generating assets to 'break even' and even have a 'surplus - and it was all downhill from there without the revenue-raising assets... the 'tax cuts' could only be afforded until the bills fell due again and he had no way of paying them. Same thing is happening now with Social Security through the sellout of this nation to the 'global economy' and all that nonsense*.

Get with the program. He sold the nation out to his 'business' mates - he didn't 'save' it. His short term 'gain' from selling the furniture was rapidly over-run by debt that has escalated since.

He is a traitor to this nation and its people.

* Again I ask - why do we have any NEED to abide by the dictates of the 'global economy'? We are not the servants of those who profit from it.. and why would any business or person sell its resources into a larger market in order to force itself of him/herself to buy back at a higher price? Why would any business or individual allow a business to come in, use its/their property and assets, derive profit, and then vanish offshore without paying the bills?

Only A Complete Moron!

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Reply #41 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 5:52am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

macman wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:17am:

You have to be joking! The little gutter rat was a complete failure! The last good PM before a long line of losers was the right honourable G Whitlam, now theres a man who deserves a national sorry day for the disgusting way scumbag Fraser undermined him. Shame liberals shame.

you are another rotten shameless *** T who has sold out, not only his children and their childrens future but their children as well...

you **** ing scumbag... I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire... Angry

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The Loans affair, also called the Khemlani affair, was a political scandal involving the Whitlam Government of Australia in 1975, in which it was accused of attempting to unconstitutionally borrow money from Middle Eastern countries through the agency of Pakistani banker Tirath Khemlani, bypassing standard procedures of the Australian Treasury. Minerals and Energy Minister Rex Connor, along with Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister Dr Jim Cairns misled Parliament and were forced from the Whitlam Cabinet over the Affair, which was a key precursor to the Constitutional Crisis and the Dismissal of the Whitlam Government in 1975.[1]

macman... mactraitor more like it you pussy... you make me sick you pissant... Angry

I could lower myself to your level of personal abuse but I shan't. Howard was a sad joke and your abuse changes nothing. Grin

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Reply #42 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 6:18am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Wee Johnnie sold off the furniture and installed tax cuts to the higher paid that have never been undone. Nothing competent about it in any way. He also shop-lifted the Futures Fund to the Caymans to evade tax and put his mate Peter Costello in charge of it at a handsome return, while stinging the lowest paid in the land $12 a fortnight for child support under some delusion of 'responsibility' but really as a measure to help 'his' budgetary problems. He also lead this nation into a 'just 'cause we can' war on false premises.

The sorriest John Howard day was the day he entered politics.

Australia was one of the very few countries to survive the GFC relatively unscathed, thanks solely to John Howard and Peter Costello. The single most stupid, idiotic decision by voters in the last 40 years was to vote in Kevin Rudd. His time as Prime Minister was marked by debt, deficit, out of control spending and thousands of deaths (both Australians and foreigners) as a direct result of his government's policies. He is quite literally our worst-ever PM, which is no easy feat considering most people previously believed Gough Whitlam to be. Julia Gillard was an unmitigated disaster but thanks to Whitlam, she comes in a close 3rd followed by Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating to round off the top five worst Prime Minister's since Federation.

It was Howard's unafordable tax cuts which meant we came out of the GFC with a decade of deficit Howard threw away the money that could have paid the bills.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn and replaced it with a surplus of more than $22bn. He could afford it because all of his policies were fully funded and paid for with money he did not have to borrow. He could afford it because he wasn't repaying a debt. Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar. The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example. Tax cuts provide people with more disposable income, which means they can pay down debt and/or spend more. When this occurs, business profits (literally) and the economy booms. This is precisely what we saw happen. You love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them. Labor did nothing - NOTHING. It was only by the good work done by Howard and Costello that we survived the GFC. We survived, but only just. The incompetence and panic of both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt. Then, in a colossal blunder, Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd - a real master stroke (not). You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right. Otherwise, you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn

Most of the tax cuts came before the debt was paid ? Obviously you understanding is flawed Howard kept about 0.5% of the income stream government had at the time much of the rest was given in tax cuts. The problem with this is that the economy was delivering about 5% higher income than typical. This means that as soon as the economy returned to normal levels we had an inbuilt deficit (structural deficit) of about 4.5%.

Everyone was surprised when we came out of the GFC and out economic performance stabilised near the 100 year average ( 5% lower than the Howard boom period).

We had a short term benefit from the boom period but Howard gave it away long term. He thought that the boom would go on forever.

Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar.

That is true but not relevant. The boom was always going to end eventually and it did. People thought for some dumb reason that we would go Boom bust boom, the problem is that we went boom bust normal.

We were geared that normal fails to meet expenses.

This is the reason that the deficits didn't stop when the GFC went away. This is the reason that the Liberals in particular but not exclusively have been attacking the budgets in welfare, health, education, pension, the disabled etc. They have to get their money back from somewhere and they cannot put the tax levels back to a more sensible level.

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Reply #43 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 6:24am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn and replaced it with a surplus of more than $22bn. He could afford it because all of his policies were fully funded and paid for with money he did not have to borrow. He could afford it because he wasn't repaying a debt. Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar. The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example. Tax cuts provide people with more disposable income, which means they can pay down debt and/or spend more. When this occurs, business profits (literally) and the economy booms. This is precisely what we saw happen. You love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them. Labor did nothing - NOTHING. It was only by the good work done by Howard and Costello that we survived the GFC. We survived, but only just. The incompetence and panic of both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt. Then, in a colossal blunder, Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd - a real master stroke (not). You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right. Otherwise, you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.

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The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example.

The controls and actions in the US etc were criminally negligent, we always had rules preventing this type of behaviour. Costello did little to impact on this at all.

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Reply #44 - Nov 25^th, 2017 at 6:32am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:23am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 11:09am:

Wee Johnnie sold off the furniture and installed tax cuts to the higher paid that have never been undone. Nothing competent about it in any way. He also shop-lifted the Futures Fund to the Caymans to evade tax and put his mate Peter Costello in charge of it at a handsome return, while stinging the lowest paid in the land $12 a fortnight for child support under some delusion of 'responsibility' but really as a measure to help 'his' budgetary problems. He also lead this nation into a 'just 'cause we can' war on false premises.

The sorriest John Howard day was the day he entered politics.

Australia was one of the very few countries to survive the GFC relatively unscathed, thanks solely to John Howard and Peter Costello. The single most stupid, idiotic decision by voters in the last 40 years was to vote in Kevin Rudd. His time as Prime Minister was marked by debt, deficit, out of control spending and thousands of deaths (both Australians and foreigners) as a direct result of his government's policies. He is quite literally our worst-ever PM, which is no easy feat considering most people previously believed Gough Whitlam to be. Julia Gillard was an unmitigated disaster but thanks to Whitlam, she comes in a close 3rd followed by Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating to round off the top five worst Prime Minister's since Federation.

It was Howard's unafordable tax cuts which meant we came out of the GFC with a decade of deficit Howard threw away the money that could have paid the bills.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Howard could afford the tax cuts because he'd paid off Keatings' debt of $96bn and replaced it with a surplus of more than $22bn. He could afford it because all of his policies were fully funded and paid for with money he did not have to borrow. He could afford it because he wasn't repaying a debt. Those tax cuts you continually mention were introduced long before the GFC even appeared on the radar. The other reason we weathered the GFC is because of changes in our financial sector put in place by Costello, the result of which saw our banks' lending habits come under much more stringent controls than was the case in the US, for example. Tax cuts provide people with more disposable income, which means they can pay down debt and/or spend more. When this occurs, business profits (literally) and the economy booms. This is precisely what we saw happen. You love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them. Labor did nothing - NOTHING. It was only by the good work done by Howard and Costello that we survived the GFC. We survived, but only just. The incompetence and panic of both Rudd and Swan very nearly brought all of Howard and Costello's work undone through reckless spending (which whittled away the $22bn surplus in record time) and drove Australia into debt. Then, in a colossal blunder, Labor thought it'd be a good idea to send people $300 cheques (with borrowed money, no less) that he wanted people to use to buy stuff but which most people either put into the bank or used to pay down debt. Bravo, Rudd - a real master stroke (not). You love to cherrypick bits and pieces of history to suit your naive and twisted view of the world, but the least you could do is at least get your facts right. Otherwise, you just look like an ill-informed idiot just towing the party line, which is precisely what you are.

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love to mention these supposedly dastardly tax cuts that we could not afford, but you fail to mention that Labor did nothing about them despite being in office for 6 years and having ample opportunity to change or reverse them.

No government will increase taxes in an obvious manner because it is political suicide. You may have noted that the current Liberals have not done it either. They are skulking around trying to get money from anywhere else to make up the shortfall.

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