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Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/samesex-marriage-western-sydney-sh...

Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.
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They can form and run , hell they may even win after Labors fifth term
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Do we need to talk about western Sydney?

Specifically, do we need to talk about why, when the rest of ­Australia voted emphatically for same-sex marriage, western ­Sydney said no?

Because it wasn’t just a no. It was a landslide for no. A complete and total rejection of the issue that had the rest of the country doing the Locomotion.


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Let’s take a deep dive into some numbers: the seat of Blaxland, once held by former prime minister Paul Keating, had the highest No vote in the country: 73.9 per cent, compared with, say, the 80.8 per cent of voters in Malcolm Turnbull’s seat of Wentworth who voted in favour of same-sex marriage. It was the same in the seat of Watson. It had the second highest No vote in the nation, with 69.9 per cent rejecting same-sex marriage, and it’s adjacent to Blaxland, in western Sydney. And on it goes: of 133 electorates nationwide, just 17 voted No, and 12 of those were in western Sydney.


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The more diverse the community, in terms of race and religion, the likelier they were to say no — emphatically no, in many cases — to same-sex marriage.


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But it wasn’t just immigrants who voted no in western Sydney. In some seats, it was three out of every four voters, meaning maybe western Sydney hasn’t changed that much at all: Keating himself was conservative on some social issues. (Remember his famous comment, about how two blokes and a cocker spaniel don’t make a family?) Working-class Catholics still live in Sydney’s west in large numbers, and still work in what remain of the old working-class manufacturing jobs. It’s no secret that Catholic priests preached for No, as did the Sydney Anglicans, who put $1 million into the No campaign.


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Andrew Jakubowicz, professor of sociology at the University of Technology Sydney, says the ­factors were cultural, religious, ­traditional and historical.

“I wrote before the survey was even held that Sydney’s ethno-religious community would deliver a strong No,” he says. “People doubted me, but if anything I understated it. These communities are socially conservative and very family focused.


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“But it wasn’t just religion. Look at the Chinese community. The vast majority are irreligious. There has been some conversion to Christianity, but many have no religion. But they are very family focused and they were hugely concerned about (the sex education program) Safe Schools. In the last federal election, in seats like Chisholm and Banks, you had Chinese communities on WeChat (the Chinese-language social network) saying if you vote Labor, your children will become homosexuals and your family name will die out in a generation, and they voted for anyone who was against Safe Schools, and that is how ­Family First got a foothold there.”

Jakubowicz says the ethnic community in Sydney’s west was likely affronted by the question on gay marriage, too. “Look, gay relations are well known in all countries,” he says. “But it’s not marriage. It’s the kind of thing people turn a blind eye to, and always have. I think there would have been people saying: ‘But why would you marry somebody of the same sex?’ Marriage is about potency. It’s about family. It’s about handing down property. It’s about unions between families.



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Its time wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
They can form and run , hell they may even win after Labors fifth term


You wish....  both major parties are on the nose...  give Australians a sensible alternative and both will be cast aside.  Apart from those brainless tribal voters of course. Cheesy
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Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.


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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:55pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:22pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
They can form and run , hell they may even win after Labors fifth term


You wish....  both major parties are on the nose...  give Australians a sensible alternative and both will be cast aside.  Apart from those brainless tribal voters of course. Cheesy


Agreed.
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:57pm
 
I would vote for the "Christmas Party" ?
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____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy
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Reply #8 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/samesex-marriage-western-sydney-sh...

Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


Nothing much happened politically in the Western Suburbs.

Why would you replace the Grand old Labor party when the useless Liberals would make a lot more sense to dispatch, a party that has never stood for anything except the opportunity to put snouts in the trough.

A party dedicated to undermining Australians for the benefit of a few selected mates ?

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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.

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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:09pm
 
it's not the parties that are the problem, it's the way the system is set up to work that is the problem.


Ban all political donations, bring in a form of direct democracy and the representatives will actually represent the people rather than their donors. Whilst parties continue to rely on donations to sell their message they remain beholden to the donors
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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 8:34pm
 
Where a politician owes primary allegiance to a political party, and not to the citizen or even to the country, parties will always be a part of the problem.
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:02pm
 
Its the issues, not the parties.
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The two parties always take a bipartisan approach to destroying anybody that's a threat , wake me up when that changes
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WA will have a party that runs for the senate, to get a fair share of the GST.

I think they will do quite well.
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Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/samesex-marriage-western-sydney-sh...

Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


Nothing much happened politically in the Western Suburbs.
But we do know what did happen...  Labor supported YES and the people supported NO...  and both are still opposed.


Why would you replace the Grand old Labor party when the useless Liberals would make a lot more sense to dispatch, a party that has never stood for anything except the opportunity to put snouts in the trough.
Well that's just you spouting biased garbage.
I wouldn't replace Labor I would let it die or dwindle on its own...  just as I would the Liberals.


A party dedicated to undermining Australians for the benefit of a few selected mates ?
Now you are talking about Labor...

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The WA GST Party?
Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.
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____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.


Oh dear how many times do political dunces need to have it explained to them that both the Left and Right of politics have both Progressives and Conservatives within them?

In Australia traditionally the Right has been the Coalition and the Left the ALP.
The ALP have since Gillard tried to silence and purge conservatives from the party due to the challenge of the lunatic Greens.  Called itself a LW Progressive Party.  By dumping the People's Party epithet and calling itself the Progressive Party, Labor have betrayed their traditional supporters.
The Coalition more specifically the Liberals have 2 major factions...  the Wets and the Dries...  one being Progressive and calling itself moderate the other Conservatives.  However under Turnbull the Progressives have largely taken control and we now have pseudo Labor or Labor lite.
So as you can see it is indeed possible and indeed the truth that both sides of politics, Left and Right can be Progressive and or Conservative.
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John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
it's not the parties that are the problem, it's the way the system is set up to work that is the problem.


Ban all political donations, bring in a form of direct democracy and the representatives will actually represent the people rather than their donors. Whilst parties continue to rely on donations to sell their message they remain beholden to the donors

Soooo  are you aware you just suggested old PHON party policy?
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Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
it's not the parties that are the problem, it's the way the system is set up to work that is the problem.


Ban all political donations, bring in a form of direct democracy and the representatives will actually represent the people rather than their donors. Whilst parties continue to rely on donations to sell their message they remain beholden to the donors

Soooo  are you aware you just suggested old PHON party policy?




shut up stupid. People were saying it long before one nation came up with it.
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Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.


Oh dear how many times do political dunces need to have it explained to them that both the Left and Right of politics have both Progressives and Conservatives within them?

In Australia traditionally the Right has been the Coalition and the Left the ALP.
The ALP have since Gillard tried to silence and purge conservatives from the party due to the challenge of the lunatic Greens.  Called itself a LW Progressive Party.  By dumping the People's Party epithet and calling itself the Progressive Party, Labor have betrayed their traditional supporters.
The Coalition more specifically the Liberals have 2 major factions...  the Wets and the Dries...  one being Progressive and calling itself moderate the other Conservatives.  However under Turnbull the Progressives have largely taken control and we now have pseudo Labor or Labor lite.
So as you can see it is indeed possible and indeed the truth that both sides of politics, Left and Right can be Progressive and or Conservative.



You haven't explained anything. Parroting your opinion without evidence and claiming your opinion as tradition.
What are you ... a child at kindergarten ?

Voluntary Euthanasia = Left wing
Women's control over her body when pregnant = Left wing.
Bill of Rights = Left wing
Aboriginal Treaty = Left wing
Worker's rights = Left wing
Women's Rights = Left wing
Social issues = Left wing
Decriminalising illicit drugs = Left wing

Opposition to personal choices = Right wing
Protection of the mega rich, at the cost of everyone else = Right wing
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Australian Politics has folded back onto itself.
It has failed to progress into the 'future' of Australia.

Sydney was formed to solve the problems of over-crowded British Gaols.
Not so long ago - front page of Daily Telegraph read "Sydney Jails over-crowded"

Just one of the many signs that Australian 'Western' (Political) culture is regressing back, rather than progressing forward.
ALP & NLP will both eventually 'fail'.
This is where the Independents will be forced to pick up the pieces as best they can.
But the political golden age of Australia is OVER.

The rot started to set in the moment Keating 'usurped' Hawke and it has continued during other leaderships.
Politics is 'doomed' in Australia.
It will become a 'youth' orientated expression with Parliament House being nothing more than the 'Disneyland' version of world Politics. It is already the #1 'school excursion' destination in Australia.

ALP & NLP have both lost their grip on trying to effectively 'rule' Australia for Politics, like it is the case in the UK & USA.

The fact that Australia originally based its cultural identity on the 'Rural' existence a long time ago, but has regressed back to being dominated by 'city' lifestyle - again, another 'northern' identity.

Sorry Politics - but you had your chance.
Only the kids can save Politics now.
Maybe that's why the Gays want more Political power?
Get in amongst the kiddies?

So if Politics can't run Australia
and the Military can only do Mercenary missions for the USA/UK.
...what then will be ruling Australia?
Huh

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John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
it's not the parties that are the problem, it's the way the system is set up to work that is the problem.


Ban all political donations, bring in a form of direct democracy and the representatives will actually represent the people rather than their donors. Whilst parties continue to rely on donations to sell their message they remain beholden to the donors

Soooo  are you aware you just suggested old PHON party policy?




shut up stupid. People were saying it long before one nation came up with it.

Actually they weren't and PHON made it policy...  who else made it policy? TROLL>..  go abuse someone else or change your policy if you cant take being told the truth about your liking PHON policy. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.


Never happened
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____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 1:52am:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.


Oh dear how many times do political dunces need to have it explained to them that both the Left and Right of politics have both Progressives and Conservatives within them?

In Australia traditionally the Right has been the Coalition and the Left the ALP.
The ALP have since Gillard tried to silence and purge conservatives from the party due to the challenge of the lunatic Greens.  Called itself a LW Progressive Party.  By dumping the People's Party epithet and calling itself the Progressive Party, Labor have betrayed their traditional supporters.
The Coalition more specifically the Liberals have 2 major factions...  the Wets and the Dries...  one being Progressive and calling itself moderate the other Conservatives.  However under Turnbull the Progressives have largely taken control and we now have pseudo Labor or Labor lite.
So as you can see it is indeed possible and indeed the truth that both sides of politics, Left and Right can be Progressive and or Conservative.



You haven't explained anything. Parroting your opinion without evidence and claiming your opinion as tradition.
What are you ... a child at kindergarten ?

Voluntary Euthanasia = Left wing
Women's control over her body when pregnant = Left wing.
Bill of Rights = Left wing
Aboriginal Treaty = Left wing
Worker's rights = Left wing
Women's Rights = Left wing
Social issues = Left wing
Decriminalising illicit drugs = Left wing

Opposition to personal choices = Right wing
Protection of the mega rich, at the cost of everyone else = Right wing

Oh here we go...
Really?
Did you read anything I wrote?
NO?
Then go away.

it seems you are the child..... stomping hands over ears eyes closed yelling lalala I cant hear you.

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miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:39am:
Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.


Never happened

Ah yes it did....  some just have very short memories.
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I would have thought that, once established, all those activities and 'rights' would become the domain of the conservative, since they seek to retain things as they are, on an even keel and no change unless it's broke...

I have to draw the line at 'worker's rights' being 'left' - worker's rights should properly be the domain of all..... unless you want the head honchoes to join the Dead Bosses Society... which is inevitable without worker's rights.

The fundamental rights of the ordinary person have been under attack in this nation, and others of the west, since the introduction of feminism, with its never-ending demands.... followed by every other group with any grievance against this nation and society doing the same...

Many a closet door should have been kept firmly locked.
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____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.



Not so. It depends on the context. For instance, it is entirely possible to have a leftist economic policy base and a conservative social policy at the same time.
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Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:37am:
Actually they weren't and PHON made it policy..



actually they were


and no one said any party made it policy

stop lying all the time you more on
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Reply #29 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


The obsession with Western Sydney just shows how Sydneycentric today's media is.

Of course the SSM survey result can be looked at from another perspective. Given that Malcolm Turnbull is being held hostage by the conservative faction of the LNP and even Tony Abbott's electorate had a 75% yes vote, perhaps it's time for the Liberal Party to split.

We could have a conservative loony right wing party and a progressive liberal capitalist party.
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I am not sure there is such a thing as left wing conservative party.   Nevertheless, I think the main reason that Western Sydney is swinging now to the right, is because the increasing property prices.   In Sydney, median house price is > 1 million everywhere.  So, people start to feel 'rich'.  And therefore, it becomes a fashion to vote for liberal - who traditionally be seen as party for the 'rich'.
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Reply #31 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:33am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:37am:
Actually they weren't and PHON made it policy..



actually they were


and no one said any party made it policy

stop lying all the time you more on

YOUR IGNORANCE is not proof of me being wrong TROLL...  now run along.
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tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
I am not sure there is such a thing as left wing conservative party.   Nevertheless, I think the main reason that Western Sydney is swinging now to the right, is because the increasing property prices.   In Sydney, median house price is > 1 million everywhere.  So, people start to feel 'rich'.  And therefore, it becomes a fashion to vote for liberal - who traditionally be seen as party for the 'rich'. 

They voted NO because they started to feel rich eh?
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Reply #34 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:53am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:34am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
I am not sure there is such a thing as left wing conservative party.   Nevertheless, I think the main reason that Western Sydney is swinging now to the right, is because the increasing property prices.   In Sydney, median house price is > 1 million everywhere.  So, people start to feel 'rich'.  And therefore, it becomes a fashion to vote for liberal - who traditionally be seen as party for the 'rich'. 

They voted NO because they started to feel rich eh?
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I doubt it. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I was relating to liberal vs conservative politics  in response to having a new party.  The same sex marriage vote is a bit of surprise for me.  It must also be a surprise that almost all save liberal seats voted no. 

You must understand, that the difference between a safe liberal and a safe labor seat may not be much.  For example, the seat of Higgings -  Wink - 46% voted for liberal,  22.8% greens, and 13.5% labor.  So, the important ones are the swinging voters and electrorates, which makes and breaks kings.
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Reply #35 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:58am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:34am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
I am not sure there is such a thing as left wing conservative party.   Nevertheless, I think the main reason that Western Sydney is swinging now to the right, is because the increasing property prices.   In Sydney, median house price is > 1 million everywhere.  So, people start to feel 'rich'.  And therefore, it becomes a fashion to vote for liberal - who traditionally be seen as party for the 'rich'. 

They voted NO because they started to feel rich eh?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
I doubt it. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I was relating to liberal vs conservative politics  in response to having a new party.  The same sex marriage vote is a bit of surprise for me.  It must also be a surprise that almost all save liberal seats voted no. 

You must understand, that the difference between a safe liberal and a safe labor seat may not be much.  For example, the seat of Higgings -  Wink - 46% voted for liberal,  22.8% greens, and 13.5% labor.  So, the important ones are the swinging voters and electrorates, which makes and breaks kings.

OK...
However your premise is based on propaganda.
Not all Coalition voters are rich.
Not all Conservatives are rich.
Hence it falls apart.
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Reply #36 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:16pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:58am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:34am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
I am not sure there is such a thing as left wing conservative party.   Nevertheless, I think the main reason that Western Sydney is swinging now to the right, is because the increasing property prices.   In Sydney, median house price is > 1 million everywhere.  So, people start to feel 'rich'.  And therefore, it becomes a fashion to vote for liberal - who traditionally be seen as party for the 'rich'. 

They voted NO because they started to feel rich eh?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
I doubt it. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I was relating to liberal vs conservative politics  in response to having a new party.  The same sex marriage vote is a bit of surprise for me.  It must also be a surprise that almost all save liberal seats voted no. 

You must understand, that the difference between a safe liberal and a safe labor seat may not be much.  For example, the seat of Higgings -  Wink - 46% voted for liberal,  22.8% greens, and 13.5% labor.  So, the important ones are the swinging voters and electrorates, which makes and breaks kings.

OK...
However your premise is based on propaganda.
Not all Coalition voters are rich.
Not all Conservatives are rich.
Hence it falls apart.


That is not what other right wingers here believe.  People like Juliar for example believe that coalition votes are all hard working, rich contributors, and non conservative voters are welfare grabbing, migrant loving scums of the Earth.
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Reply #37 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:22pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.



I think (and stress think, because I could be wrong) that Conservative Leftwing refers to someone who is socially conservative and economically liberal. Progressive Rightwing on the other hand, refers to someone who is socially progressive and economically conservative.
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Reply #38 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:29pm
 
Labor's problem is that it has really deserted it's socially conservative base. There are just a handful of MPs/Senators in the federal parliament who are actually social conservatives. These include Chris Hayes, Don Farrell, Helen Polley, Jacinta Collins. Polley actually came out last month and told how they tried to bully her into claiming that she was for ssm when she is against it. Joe Bullock essentially quit because he thought that Labor had deserted it's socially conservative supporters. They have done it to try to keep up with the Greens.

Strangely enough the Liberals have also deserted their socially conservative supporters.
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Reply #39 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:53pm
 
matty wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:29pm:
Joe Bullock essentially quit because he thought that Labor had deserted it's socially conservative supporters.


Well, he was upset at the ALP denying its parliamentarians a conscience vote on the same sex marriage question.

Interestingly, he hasn't always voted for Labor.



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Reply #40 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
I am not sure there is such a thing as left wing conservative party.   Nevertheless, I think the main reason that Western Sydney is swinging now to the right...

There's no evidence to support this. The response rate on the survey was only weakly correlated to political alignment. The survey was much more strongly correlated to the level of religious belief. The higher the proportion of people choosing "no religion" on the last survey, the higher the proportion choosing "yes" on the same-sex marriage survey. Areas with high proportions of Muslims were especially conservative on this survey, and to a lesser extent Christians were conservative as well.

Survey responses based on one survey have about as much use as a prediction tool as a thermometer in Perth predicting the temperature in Brisbane. If there was another survey canvassing responses on issues such as treatment of refugees, access to employment or whether we should support renewable energy - all left-leaning issues - you'll be likely to get a different picture.

That's why the left-right divide isn't as clear as people think. When we vote for elections, we don't get to vote on individual issues. We are forced to choose package deals.
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Reply #41 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 4:39pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:58am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:34am:
tickleandrose wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
I am not sure there is such a thing as left wing conservative party.   Nevertheless, I think the main reason that Western Sydney is swinging now to the right, is because the increasing property prices.   In Sydney, median house price is > 1 million everywhere.  So, people start to feel 'rich'.  And therefore, it becomes a fashion to vote for liberal - who traditionally be seen as party for the 'rich'. 

They voted NO because they started to feel rich eh?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
I doubt it. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I was relating to liberal vs conservative politics  in response to having a new party.  The same sex marriage vote is a bit of surprise for me.  It must also be a surprise that almost all save liberal seats voted no. 

You must understand, that the difference between a safe liberal and a safe labor seat may not be much.  For example, the seat of Higgings -  Wink - 46% voted for liberal,  22.8% greens, and 13.5% labor.  So, the important ones are the swinging voters and electrorates, which makes and breaks kings.

OK...
However your premise is based on propaganda.
Not all Coalition voters are rich.
Not all Conservatives are rich.
Hence it falls apart.


That is not what other right wingers here believe.  People like Juliar for example believe that coalition votes are all hard working, rich contributors, and non conservative voters are welfare grabbing, migrant loving scums of the Earth.   

I only deal with facts and the truth.
You should try it.
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Reply #42 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 6:50pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/samesex-marriage-western-sydney-sh...

Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


Nothing much happened politically in the Western Suburbs.
But we do know what did happen...  Labor supported YES and the people supported NO...  and both are still opposed.


Why would you replace the Grand old Labor party when the useless Liberals would make a lot more sense to dispatch, a party that has never stood for anything except the opportunity to put snouts in the trough.
Well that's just you spouting biased garbage.
I wouldn't replace Labor I would let it die or dwindle on its own...  just as I would the Liberals.


A party dedicated to undermining Australians for the benefit of a few selected mates ?
Now you are talking about Labor...

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



But we do know what did happen...  Labor supported YES and the people supported NO...  and both are still opposed.



Turnbull also supported yes and the Liberals set up the process and will likely legislate it if Turnbull survives long enough.

Virtually nobody is going to translate the SSM poll with their political vote. It is a non issue.
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Reply #43 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/samesex-marriage-western-sydney-sh...

Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


Nothing much happened politically in the Western Suburbs.
But we do know what did happen...  Labor supported YES and the people supported NO...  and both are still opposed.


Why would you replace the Grand old Labor party when the useless Liberals would make a lot more sense to dispatch, a party that has never stood for anything except the opportunity to put snouts in the trough.
Well that's just you spouting biased garbage.
I wouldn't replace Labor I would let it die or dwindle on its own...  just as I would the Liberals.


A party dedicated to undermining Australians for the benefit of a few selected mates ?
Now you are talking about Labor...

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



A party dedicated to undermining Australians for the benefit of a few selected mates ?
Now you are talking about Labor...



Yet it is the Liberals we have seen attacking Education, Health, Pensions, superannuation, the disabled etc while desperate to gift all the proceeds to their big business mates.

Funny how the facts continually support my opinion and seldom your biased view.
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Reply #45 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 7:30pm
 


miketrees wrote Today at 8:39am:
Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.


Never happened

Ah yes it did....  some just have very short memories.



Some of you have no knowledge of history, never mind forgetting it.

What about the Federal law that banned the export of iron ore until 1960.

That was The feds disadvantaging WA.

You Easteners have a blind spot about so many things.
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Reply #46 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 7:52pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/samesex-marriage-western-sydney-sh...

Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


Nothing much happened politically in the Western Suburbs.
But we do know what did happen...  Labor supported YES and the people supported NO...  and both are still opposed.


Why would you replace the Grand old Labor party when the useless Liberals would make a lot more sense to dispatch, a party that has never stood for anything except the opportunity to put snouts in the trough.
Well that's just you spouting biased garbage.
I wouldn't replace Labor I would let it die or dwindle on its own...  just as I would the Liberals.


A party dedicated to undermining Australians for the benefit of a few selected mates ?
Now you are talking about Labor...

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



But we do know what did happen...  Labor supported YES and the people supported NO...  and both are still opposed.



Turnbull also supported yes and the Liberals set up the process and will likely legislate it if Turnbull survives long enough.

It will be legislated Turnbull or no Turnbull.

Virtually nobody is going to translate the SSM poll with their political vote. It is a non issue.

The need for proper representation is not a non issue... you tribal voters should be banned from voting.

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Reply #47 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 7:53pm
 
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
miketrees wrote Today at 8:39am:
Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.


Never happened

Ah yes it did....  some just have very short memories.



Some of you have no knowledge of history, never mind forgetting it.

What about the Federal law that banned the export of iron ore until 1960.

That was The feds disadvantaging WA.

You Easteners have a blind spot about so many things.

Since I live in NSW I remember quite well what happened when the GST was first introduced thanks.
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