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Reply #15 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:22pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
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Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


Nothing much happened politically in the Western Suburbs.
But we do know what did happen...  Labor supported YES and the people supported NO...  and both are still opposed.


Why would you replace the Grand old Labor party when the useless Liberals would make a lot more sense to dispatch, a party that has never stood for anything except the opportunity to put snouts in the trough.
Well that's just you spouting biased garbage.
I wouldn't replace Labor I would let it die or dwindle on its own...  just as I would the Liberals.


A party dedicated to undermining Australians for the benefit of a few selected mates ?
Now you are talking about Labor...

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #16 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
The WA GST Party?
Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.
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Reply #17 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:35pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.


Oh dear how many times do political dunces need to have it explained to them that both the Left and Right of politics have both Progressives and Conservatives within them?

In Australia traditionally the Right has been the Coalition and the Left the ALP.
The ALP have since Gillard tried to silence and purge conservatives from the party due to the challenge of the lunatic Greens.  Called itself a LW Progressive Party.  By dumping the People's Party epithet and calling itself the Progressive Party, Labor have betrayed their traditional supporters.
The Coalition more specifically the Liberals have 2 major factions...  the Wets and the Dries...  one being Progressive and calling itself moderate the other Conservatives.  However under Turnbull the Progressives have largely taken control and we now have pseudo Labor or Labor lite.
So as you can see it is indeed possible and indeed the truth that both sides of politics, Left and Right can be Progressive and or Conservative.
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Reply #18 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:47pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
it's not the parties that are the problem, it's the way the system is set up to work that is the problem.


Ban all political donations, bring in a form of direct democracy and the representatives will actually represent the people rather than their donors. Whilst parties continue to rely on donations to sell their message they remain beholden to the donors

Soooo  are you aware you just suggested old PHON party policy?
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Reply #19 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 10:08pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
it's not the parties that are the problem, it's the way the system is set up to work that is the problem.


Ban all political donations, bring in a form of direct democracy and the representatives will actually represent the people rather than their donors. Whilst parties continue to rely on donations to sell their message they remain beholden to the donors

Soooo  are you aware you just suggested old PHON party policy?




shut up stupid. People were saying it long before one nation came up with it.
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Reply #20 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 1:52am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.


Oh dear how many times do political dunces need to have it explained to them that both the Left and Right of politics have both Progressives and Conservatives within them?

In Australia traditionally the Right has been the Coalition and the Left the ALP.
The ALP have since Gillard tried to silence and purge conservatives from the party due to the challenge of the lunatic Greens.  Called itself a LW Progressive Party.  By dumping the People's Party epithet and calling itself the Progressive Party, Labor have betrayed their traditional supporters.
The Coalition more specifically the Liberals have 2 major factions...  the Wets and the Dries...  one being Progressive and calling itself moderate the other Conservatives.  However under Turnbull the Progressives have largely taken control and we now have pseudo Labor or Labor lite.
So as you can see it is indeed possible and indeed the truth that both sides of politics, Left and Right can be Progressive and or Conservative.



You haven't explained anything. Parroting your opinion without evidence and claiming your opinion as tradition.
What are you ... a child at kindergarten ?

Voluntary Euthanasia = Left wing
Women's control over her body when pregnant = Left wing.
Bill of Rights = Left wing
Aboriginal Treaty = Left wing
Worker's rights = Left wing
Women's Rights = Left wing
Social issues = Left wing
Decriminalising illicit drugs = Left wing

Opposition to personal choices = Right wing
Protection of the mega rich, at the cost of everyone else = Right wing
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Reply #21 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 3:14am
 
Australian Politics has folded back onto itself.
It has failed to progress into the 'future' of Australia.

Sydney was formed to solve the problems of over-crowded British Gaols.
Not so long ago - front page of Daily Telegraph read "Sydney Jails over-crowded"

Just one of the many signs that Australian 'Western' (Political) culture is regressing back, rather than progressing forward.
ALP & NLP will both eventually 'fail'.
This is where the Independents will be forced to pick up the pieces as best they can.
But the political golden age of Australia is OVER.

The rot started to set in the moment Keating 'usurped' Hawke and it has continued during other leaderships.
Politics is 'doomed' in Australia.
It will become a 'youth' orientated expression with Parliament House being nothing more than the 'Disneyland' version of world Politics. It is already the #1 'school excursion' destination in Australia.

ALP & NLP have both lost their grip on trying to effectively 'rule' Australia for Politics, like it is the case in the UK & USA.

The fact that Australia originally based its cultural identity on the 'Rural' existence a long time ago, but has regressed back to being dominated by 'city' lifestyle - again, another 'northern' identity.

Sorry Politics - but you had your chance.
Only the kids can save Politics now.
Maybe that's why the Gays want more Political power?
Get in amongst the kiddies?

So if Politics can't run Australia
and the Military can only do Mercenary missions for the USA/UK.
...what then will be ruling Australia?
Huh

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Reply #22 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:37am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 10:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
it's not the parties that are the problem, it's the way the system is set up to work that is the problem.


Ban all political donations, bring in a form of direct democracy and the representatives will actually represent the people rather than their donors. Whilst parties continue to rely on donations to sell their message they remain beholden to the donors

Soooo  are you aware you just suggested old PHON party policy?




shut up stupid. People were saying it long before one nation came up with it.

Actually they weren't and PHON made it policy...  who else made it policy? TROLL>..  go abuse someone else or change your policy if you cant take being told the truth about your liking PHON policy. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #23 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:39am
 


Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.


Never happened
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Reply #24 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:44am
 
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 1:52am:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.


Oh dear how many times do political dunces need to have it explained to them that both the Left and Right of politics have both Progressives and Conservatives within them?

In Australia traditionally the Right has been the Coalition and the Left the ALP.
The ALP have since Gillard tried to silence and purge conservatives from the party due to the challenge of the lunatic Greens.  Called itself a LW Progressive Party.  By dumping the People's Party epithet and calling itself the Progressive Party, Labor have betrayed their traditional supporters.
The Coalition more specifically the Liberals have 2 major factions...  the Wets and the Dries...  one being Progressive and calling itself moderate the other Conservatives.  However under Turnbull the Progressives have largely taken control and we now have pseudo Labor or Labor lite.
So as you can see it is indeed possible and indeed the truth that both sides of politics, Left and Right can be Progressive and or Conservative.



You haven't explained anything. Parroting your opinion without evidence and claiming your opinion as tradition.
What are you ... a child at kindergarten ?

Voluntary Euthanasia = Left wing
Women's control over her body when pregnant = Left wing.
Bill of Rights = Left wing
Aboriginal Treaty = Left wing
Worker's rights = Left wing
Women's Rights = Left wing
Social issues = Left wing
Decriminalising illicit drugs = Left wing

Opposition to personal choices = Right wing
Protection of the mega rich, at the cost of everyone else = Right wing

Oh here we go...
Really?
Did you read anything I wrote?
NO?
Then go away.

it seems you are the child..... stomping hands over ears eyes closed yelling lalala I cant hear you.

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What I wrote is factual. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:45am
 
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:39am:
Yeah NSW and Vic should have whinged and put one up when they were supporting everyone else.


Never happened

Ah yes it did....  some just have very short memories.
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Reply #26 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 9:12am
 
I would have thought that, once established, all those activities and 'rights' would become the domain of the conservative, since they seek to retain things as they are, on an even keel and no change unless it's broke...

I have to draw the line at 'worker's rights' being 'left' - worker's rights should properly be the domain of all..... unless you want the head honchoes to join the Dead Bosses Society... which is inevitable without worker's rights.

The fundamental rights of the ordinary person have been under attack in this nation, and others of the west, since the introduction of feminism, with its never-ending demands.... followed by every other group with any grievance against this nation and society doing the same...

Many a closet door should have been kept firmly locked.
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Reply #27 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:03am
 
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
Leftwing conservative.
Isn't that an oxymoron.



No its not and you are showing your political ignorance. Cheesy



Ask the same people if they want to end a women's access to abortion when raped, or her life's at risk.

Bet only the hard right conservatives would back the right's hatred of women. Left wingers would not.

Conservative Leftwing is an oxymoron.



Not so. It depends on the context. For instance, it is entirely possible to have a leftist economic policy base and a conservative social policy at the same time.
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Reply #28 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:09am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 8:37am:
Actually they weren't and PHON made it policy..



actually they were


and no one said any party made it policy

stop lying all the time you more on
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Reply #29 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 10:24am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
Considering the result of the survey in the Western Suburbs of Sydney the time is ripe for a NEW political party to evolve.

A party to replace Labor.  A Left Wing Conservative Party that reflects the views of the people now that Labor has deserted them to be the new Progressive party by forgetting it was once considered the people's party.


The obsession with Western Sydney just shows how Sydneycentric today's media is.

Of course the SSM survey result can be looked at from another perspective. Given that Malcolm Turnbull is being held hostage by the conservative faction of the LNP and even Tony Abbott's electorate had a 75% yes vote, perhaps it's time for the Liberal Party to split.

We could have a conservative loony right wing party and a progressive liberal capitalist party.
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