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Reply #15 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:33pm

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:21pm:

That's only until increasing emissions overcome any changes.

Your not thinking it through properly. To busy trying to show how clever you are

Increasing emissions while the rice farmers catch up to the rest of the world are going to happen anyway. Increasing emission alone is much better than increasing emissions plus 200 million cars.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: China to ban all fossil fool cars !! Reply #16 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:34pm lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:24pm: Really? I don't recall that. Can you post it? lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:15pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:09pm: gee, I don't know. 200 million less cars spewing pollution out is a lot more than you're doing I gathered that.
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Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:39pm

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:19pm:

____ wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Because you wanted to create a red herring rather than discuss the topic

Are reduced emissions due to EV's the topic?

____ wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

That's because the per capita method is the most logical method to compare between countries ... which you did.

Actually, all I was doing was showing China's emissions. The others came as a free super-sized bonus. I just love a bargain. Grin

I thought the topic could be broader, the collapse in middle east oil power. But relax, you being your usual egotistical self, and so destroy another potential thread.
You pumping your ego is way more important.

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Reply #18 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:51pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:33pm:

Increasing emission alone is much better than increasing emissions plus 200 million cars.

Increasing emissions will happen whether the EV's make it or not. Increasing emissions will be on top of electric vehicles, unless you believe EV's will happen overnight. It will mean a slower rise in China, that is all.

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Reply #19 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:53pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:34pm:

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:

Really? I don't recall that. Can you post it?

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:09pm:

gee, I don't know. 200 million less cars spewing pollution out is a lot more than you're doing

I gathered that. Wink

????

Was that about my "professed" expertise?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: China to ban all fossil fool cars !! Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:54pm ____ wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:39pm: But relax, you being your usual egotistical self, and so destroy another potential thread. You pumping your ego is way more important. Oh, dear. Now I can't express an opinion? It must be sad to be you.
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Reply #21 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:00pm

Of course if you want to make the subject broader you could always consider this -

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/is-there-enough-lithium-to-maintain...

"Even though 365 years of reserve supply sounds very comforting, the point of the EV and stationary storage revolutions is that current demand will shoot up, way up, if these revolutions do happen. The 100 Gigafactories scenario could come true. And if that happens, the 365-year supply would be less than a 17-year supply (13.5 million tons of reserves divided by 800,000 = 16.9 years). "

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Reply #23 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:12pm

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 9:33pm:

Increasing emission alone is much better than increasing emissions plus 200 million cars.

Increasing emissions will happen whether the EV's make it or not. Increasing emissions will be on top of electric vehicles, unless you believe EV's will happen overnight. It will mean a slower rise in China, that is all.

I'll repeat,
Increasing emission alone is much better than increasing emissions plus 200 million cars.

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Reply #24 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:19pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

Increasing emission alone is much better than increasing emissions plus 200 million cars.

How much increasing emissions? Is that factoring in increasing emissions from manufacturing batteries? Increasing emissions from charging stations? I am assuming a stable supply to charge the batteries.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: China to ban all fossil fool cars !! Reply #25 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:22pm issuevoter wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:01pm: So everyone believes the situation is hopeless, just for different reasons. Nope. I haven't found a formula for extracting natural emissions from total emissions to get anthropological emissions. I don't believe CO2 is "the control knob".
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Reply #26 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:40pm

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

Increasing emission alone is much better than increasing emissions plus 200 million cars.

How much increasing emissions? Is that factoring in increasing emissions from manufacturing batteries? Increasing emissions from charging stations? I am assuming a stable supply to charge the batteries.

does it matter? moving goal posts won't help you

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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90772 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: China to ban all fossil fool cars !! Reply #27 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:46pm Not much use when they're building masses of new coal fired power stations, as someone posted last week.
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Reply #28 - Sep 10^th, 2017 at 11:25pm

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 8:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

good work Lee

great way to avoid the point and reality at the same time

So emissions are not the point? Moving to electric vehicles will be like peeing on a bushfire. Might make you feel good and noble. Won't achieve a thing.

And guess what? China's emissions are reality.

Of course it's about emissions and fossil fool vehicles have it in spades Sad

You don't honestly think the petrol or deisel magically appears at the fool bowser do you ??

First you have to expend energy locating the oil well. Then once you have found it you have to expend energy extracting crude from the ground. Then you have to transport or pipe it to the refinery which requires energy. Then you have to refine it which also consumes energy ! Then once you have refined it you have to expend energy transporting it to the shipping dock. Then you have to ship it over the ocean using the most inefficient and carbon intensive means of transport ie shipping ! Then you have to transport it to the refinery for further refining to petrol or deisel etc and then you have to transport it to all of the fool bowsers over the country. Again each step producing carbon emissions in spades Sad

Now compare with electric vehicles charged up from coal fired power where the coal source is right next to the power station !! Once the energy is created virtually none is wasted transporting it over the grid to its destination whether that is a home or charging station.

And then there is the inefficiencies of the fossil fool piston engine vs the highly efficient design of a synchronous AC motor ! Come back to us when you have done all of the calculations and then tell us how the transition to electrification of the transport network is not going to make any difference in greenhouse gas emissions Wink

And of course once you clean up the grid and replace the polluting sources with renewables then of course the net emissons from the use of electric cars will decrease proportionately. Can't say the same about polluting fossil fool cars which will make no difference whether or not you clean up the grid Sad

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Reply #29 - Sep 11^th, 2017 at 2:32am

lee wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:22pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 10^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

So everyone believes the situation is hopeless, just for different reasons.

Nope. I haven't found a formula for extracting natural emissions from total emissions to get anthropological emissions.

I don't believe CO2 is "the control knob".

you dont have to because youre irrelevant

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