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sir prince duke alevine
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Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 15 th, 2017 at 3:07am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 14 th, 2017 at 9:21pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 13 th, 2017 at 11:29pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 13 th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 13 th, 2017 at 8:42pm: Hillary's campaign motto was "when they go low, we go high".
She lost. Yes, because everyone was too busy getting offended by trump rather than countering his incredibly simplistic arguments. And also because once again young people chose beer and sex over voting. Or, you could say, people wanted someone who tells it like it is, not even caring that he was telling porkies all along, not even caring that the articles they referenced were, for the most part, propaganda, much of it funded and disseminated by Russian agents and bot sites. We tried to counter it. We attempted to move the debate onto economic policies and legal/constitutional issues. This failed. Those we spoke with here just wanted a whinger in power, an "anti-Establishment" billionaire, an elitist "man of the people", an "authentic" reality TV star. They didn't care about the policies, they just wanted to lock Hillary up and cheer on hyperbole about walls and the tinted races and making Amerika great again when they're not even American, just white. Ultimately, they want a carnival sideshow, not better jobs or communities or opportunities for their kids. They want to attack someone - anyone. They want revenge, but they can never articulate what they want revenge for. Inequality? Wage stagnation? Urban growth? Social change? You can't even unpack these things without getting howled down. Statistics? Forget about it. I'm genuinely curious about this, I don't have any answers. How do you counter the sort of lies and spin that's often so transparent people don't even mind if it's spin, they just want to keep the spectacle going. Freud argued that dreams serve the purpose of keeping us asleep - an unconscious, biological mechanism. Pointing out the lies or flaws in the spin doesn't do a thing. People don't wake up, they just run off to another thread to keep the dream going. How do you counter this? You honestly think racism won trump the White House? Put yourself into the shoes of a sole family provider, who's spent the last 20+ years only knowing the assembly line, and that job has now been taken away and moved to China. And all the establishment politicians do is say, "but it's good for the economy." As that worker, who would you vote for: the establishment politician who simply repeats the same pretend care and slogans, and does nothing about it, or the other guy? It was an election where the establishment lost. But not because the voters are rascist, but because the establishment has failed time and again and the people who can no longer provide for their families have simply had enough. And how do we know it's not about rascism? Because of the majority outrage on the Muslim ban, And the dreamers rescinding. And the majority opposition to his Charlottesville statements. And the fact no one actually cares that the wall won't be built. You're confusing the reasons, karnal, for why trump won. Rest assured, rascism had very little to do with it. Yes, Alevine, I do say that. People took their fears about social change out on Muslims, Mexicans, blacks, and for some inexplicable reason, Hillary Clinton. Ditch the witch, eh? They surveyed Trump voters in the states that went his way and found something interesting. These voters largely worked in service jobs, and were doing alright financially. The Mid Western rust belt states nearly all vote Republican anyway. The election was won by older, whiter, and less educated people with jobs, houses and two cars. These are people who fear social change. They want to keep their guns. They believe the Fox News/tabloid hype about urban crime and the tinted races, but have never actually experienced this first hand. Like many here, they'd probably scoff if you told them violent crime is at an all time low. These are comfortable, reasonably affluent, middle class people. Look at Florida. Who could have ever imagined Trump would win the votes of largely Jewish retirees? But he did, even if they hate him now. I think you need to look at the data you're using for your argument, karnal. 70% of jewish voters in Florida voted for Hillary. And the urban areas of middle class America voted Hillary. Trump received the rural votes, the industrial votes, the votes where people's jobs have been lost and for many years no politician has been able to provide a solution. I know it's always convenient for regressives to think it's about racism, or about sexism, or some other ism, because you know, then you can do the whole victim blaming thing you're really good at. But the reality is that the 'isms' didn't have as much to do with it as you're playing on. Again the reason why no one really cares the wall, and why Trump's actual CORE base is relatively small.
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