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Reply #15 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:35pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:27pm:
Glad you admit the greenhouse effect of CO2, Lees.



Theoretically Yes. But by how much? 1 Kelvin in 288K ain't much.
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Reply #16 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
1.2°C is a lot.

Look at the Greenland, West and East Antarctic ice sheets destabilising. Look at the increase in severe weather events, look at the rise in sea levels, etc. The man on the land is also facing increased pressure to make a living from AGW.

So—1.2°C increase is a LOT! And temperature increases are accelerating, as are sea levels, and before all that long the sun will become more active and add to the warming.
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Reply #17 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 3:32pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
1.2°C is a lot.



Even in C it is not a lot. 1C in 58.69c, about 1.8%. WinkJovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
Look at the Greenland, West and East Antarctic ice sheets destabilising



And it has never done this in the past?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
Look at the increase in severe weather events,


Hurricanes in USA? Nope. What extreme weather events are increasing?

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
look at the rise in sea levels


Yep. Been rising according to the boffins for some time. Tide gauge doesn't seem to support it.

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
The man on the land is also facing increased pressure to make a living from AGW.



Ah, Anecdotal evidence is now allowable. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
And temperature increases are accelerating, as are sea levels


Can you show graphs of this acceleration? Wink
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Reply #18 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 3:38pm
 
The subject of this thread is: Global Warming—will it get worse, quickly?

We know we have 1.2°C warming already and this is doing harm as I listed.

What will happen if, say, the sun enters its active state? Will add to the warming from AGW.

There are other forcings, albedo change for example.

What will happen if we get another .5°C warming quickly from these other forcings?

Any comments on this?
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Reply #19 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 4:08pm
 




US Land Temps Down, Arctic Sea Ice & Greenland Melt Update: August (442)


US land temperature stations over the last 120 years show a down trend in Aug 01-Aug 15 maximum temperatures, also Arctic sea ice melt season is behaving strangely, showing signs of the end to the melt season already, as well Greenland has turned and the season for melting has come to an abrupt end. Something just shifted.
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Reply #20 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 12:29pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
The subject of this thread is: Global Warming—will it get worse, quickly?

We know we have 1.2°C warming already and this is doing harm as I listed.

What will happen if, say, the sun enters its active state? Will add to the warming from AGW.

There are other forcings, albedo change for example.

What will happen if we get another .5°C warming quickly from these other forcings?

Any comments on this?

No Monk.
This is what is happening at your place.

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Reply #21 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 12:41pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
The subject of this thread is: Global Warming—will it get worse, quickly?

We know we have 1.2°C warming already and this is doing harm as I listed.

What will happen if, say, the sun enters its active state? Will add to the warming from AGW.

There are other forcings, albedo change for example.

What will happen if we get another .5°C warming quickly from these other forcings?

Any comments on this?


I made the title Global Warming, not AGW.

The globe has warmed 1.2°C since the start of the Industrial Revolution. Let us ignore the cause of that for the moment.

What if the sun moves from its present quiescent stage to its active, warmer state? It does have a decades–long cycle (as well as the 11 year cycle) and it cannot be long before it becomes more active and starts sending more radiation our way. Imagine the warming of the 1940s added to the 1.2°C warming.

Coincidentally say the volcanoes become inert for a decade or so—less aerosols in the upper atmosphere, more of whatever sunlight sent our way gets through to the surface. The major icesheets suffer the collapse we can see beginning, meaning less bright ice, more dark sea, soil & rocks absorbing the suns heat instead of reflecting it back into space.


What would happen to global temperatures then?

A little exercise of imagination.

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Reply #22 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 12:46pm
 
Good grief
1/ we all know what the Greenhouse effect is.
2/ the globe has cooled and warmed all on its own since day dot.

There....
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Reply #23 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 12:54pm
 
roach just failed my “little exercise of imagination.”

anyone else?
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Reply #24 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 12:59pm
 
BTW, the globe has indeed warmed and the icesheets melted before.

If you actually listen to the scientist with 25 years experience in studying the ice sheets it was a bit warmer in the Eemian period than now, maybe about equal to now. If so, with continuing warming and a likely boost from the sun increasing its radiation we will equal or exceed Eemian period temperatures.

In the Eemian period seas were nine metres higher than now.

That means Greenland, West Antarctic and East Antarctica all contributing, with expansion from warming, to 9m sea level increase.

Think about that!
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Reply #25 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 1:00pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
roach just failed my “little exercise of imagination.”

anyone else?


Nah. I'll let you alone with your "imaginings". Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 1:04pm
 
Not even going to try?
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Reply #27 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 5:54pm
 
We like facts and truth Monk....  not things YOU imagine might happen.  The FAILURE is all yours... Cheesy
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Reply #28 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 6:30pm
 
No roach, you and Lees deny truth and facts.

Besides, blessed little facts or sense in any of your posts.
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Reply #29 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 7:50pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 6:30pm:
No roach, you and Lees deny truth and facts.

Besides, blessed little facts or sense in any of your posts.


You mean like this gem from a paper you quoted? -

"It is another fact that the carbon dioxide concentration has increased by 30 percent since industrialization began in the mid-18th century."

https://phys.org/news/2017-08-sun-current-global-temperature.html#jCp

Published 24Aug 2017

280ppm + 30% is 364ppm Wink
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